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Mysticism of Yahushua~

Let us learn about what really took place, and what was really said. What are you, and I, supposed to be doing?

Think Book of Thomas, Think Mysticism, Think Ancient Israel, Think Freely.

My stance on this matter is that "Jesus" the "Christ" was actually named Yahushua Mashiahh by his people's standard, and that this Man was more than a man under certain regards, and yet he was not what Most "Christians" know him to be. He was a Mystic, in the sense that we must be in Unity with our Father.

I would like for to generate an Educational community thread, which can also include Debate. 

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Aquila King

Um..... Care to elaborate?...

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16 minutes ago, Blaye Otanka said:

Mysticism of Yahushua~

Let us learn about what really took place, and what was really said. What are you and I supposed to be doing?

Hi Blaye

Generally speaking when starting a thread it is a good idea to give a little bit of information, a position and links are helpful.

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I am a new User, and will adapt to what is necessary thank you. Is there any way to erase messages? Maybe I can fix that and then your post and my post can clear out of the way.

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Just now, jmccr8 said:

Hi Blaye

Generally speaking when starting a thread it is a good idea to give a little bit of information, a position and links are helpful.

jmccr8

You're answer is clearly more refined then mine. I'm just over here like:

 

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1 minute ago, Blaye Otanka said:

I am a new User, and will adapt to what is necessary thank you. Is there any way to erase messages? Maybe I can fix that and then your post and my post can clear out of the way.

Hi Blaye

No you can't once the edit feature is gone but you can always add more info in another post. We know that your new here and don't start breaking legs unless you have been an active member and continuously neglect to engage properly.:lol:

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5 hours ago, Aquila King said:

You're answer is clearly more refined then mine. I'm just over here like:

 

Very interesting......

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2 hours ago, Hre2breal said:

Very interesting......

I'm lost to them sometimes myself....:blink:

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Hi Blaye

Just wondering if you were going to advance your position and give us something to work on a discussion with.

jmccr8

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I use quotations to convey either another source, a name, or a likely false label.

Yahushua, it is known was absolutely controversial figure in the first century, during an age of chaos. Full of Zealots, masquerading like Assassins, and plotting a revolt from Rome; having their motivation in prophecy of Eluh Yahuwah, awaiting the Warrior Anointed Prophet, who had the Savior, the Father Yahuwah Riding his back like a horse into battle, psalms 18:10. They were expecting a bloody victory; meanwhile the Sons of Zadok decided the Pharusheem were Hellenized ("colonized") deceivers who sacrificed animals in vein, and thus they fled into the wilderness, to await the coming mashiahh, as watchtowers at the ready. The Saduceem, or "Those of the Pharisees" , were considered very dogmatic and harsh, and even heretical in their belief that there was no resurrection from Sheol. Several supposed "Saviors" and "Kings of the Jews" rose up from the Zealots, against the Regime of Roman Centurons, and ended up crucified on the cross. Among all this chaos, confusion, and turmoil, was a man named Yahushua who came out to the world at around the age of 30, not very long after the last many who attempted to free Yesrael, and claimed themeselves to be "King of the Jews". Yahushua was unlike many of his own kind, believing in the law, yet he chose not to participate in the traditions of the Elders. Many thought that among the fear and turmoil, they found the answers they had been looking for, with one man among the reeds. Yahushua fasted for Fourty days, and was anointed the "King of the Jews" and a prophet by Eliyahu, whom people called Yohhanan the Immerser (יוֹחָנָן טבילה). Many turned to Yochanan among the Reeds hoping to restore the kingdom of Earth to the glory of Heaven, and they sought to repent, and to be cleansed of their heaviness and fear. Yahushua began his quest, on the Journey he called Ha Darakh (the way). He went out as Seer, Healer, and Poetic Mashal(Parable) maker. His culture found joy in the poetry of Riddles in which the answer was hidden in the abstract among the words spoken, and in every verse, if it be possible, Yahushua would flavor his poems with many words that though different meanings, sounded very much the same. This was one of the best parts of the Riddle, when every word Rhymes in Hebrew, so many wanted to know him, and yet he was always an active passerby, who spent little time held in one place. Many said among themeselves, "this must be him?", "the mashiahh we have been waiting for!", "are you the king of Yehudah that is to come?", and yet he said nothing to the others, keeping secretive all the while, that they conclude what they choose. The Pharusheem hated him, because he profained the Traditions of the Elders, and taught his followers to do the like. He was poor, and many gave him their love and things he needed, which he believed was Father providing him through the creation, and the Pharusheem still yet hated him, lavished in Rings, Silver, Gold, and the many praises of the people. "Who is this man?", the priests wondered, "Who does he think he is?". Centurions and the Greek Herodian Dynasty all the while watching what moves they could follow, holding their arms back, so long as this prophet did not revolt against them...

Yes troubling times, and a brave soul Yahushua was, and in the modern Erra many speculate he must have had a connection with the Essenes near the Dead Sea, or the Theraputae in the South of Yehudah(Judah), in Northern Egypt. For he had many beliefs that were identical with these sects, and practices that were yet similar. He would be active sunrise till sunset doing actions that are considered by Modern Anthropology to be an "unorganized belief system" because he did not hail to a Temple Institute which was linked into the Economic system, and maintained a deep spirituality with the natural world. He was Organized, I am willing to say, but in his very soul. It is said that the Roman version of him, "Ioseus" that was made in the third century, is fictional, and yet most churches readily accept this form of him, giving into what some call "blind faith". Those who learn the hebrew culture and timeline understand he was not what we at first think being raised in any nation around the world. There is said to be a "Book of Thomas" which is written in coptic, which is believed to regard the true sayings of Yahushua, preserved as an Oral memory by Ta'uma (תאומא), and then written down. This text was found buried in Nag Hammadi, as well as in fragments among Rubbel in Oxhyrhyncus, Egypt. It is speculated that either the Gnostics or the Aryans possessed this text, and would have hidden it from the "Holy Roman Empire". Coptic is a written language of Egypt and was not Gnostic Exclusive after all. And was it not Constantine in the 3rd century AD supervising the council of Nicea 325 CE and thereafter, who, being vehemently vexed by the Aryans of the council, who highly disagreed with the Council Deifying "Ioseus Christo", led a campain under the supposed "Holy" Roman Empire to destroy accused "Heretics" such as the Aryans. Though their outreach went much further, even to crush the other believers in the Middle East, extinguishing the last traces of "Jewish" followers, and he seized their Libraries, and books, burning many down, and used "Correctioners" to change any verse that was outright Anti-Roman or controversial to his and their own opinion. Thus formulating a book and a doctrine which he termed "ORTHODOX", as though this was always the tradition? It was as though he wanted to rewrite history, leading everybody to believe that the "Orthodox" church has always been a normalcy. 

Yet some texts survived, Gnostic, Coptic, Hebrew, and even Greek, the latter three attest a story often contrary to Roman Idolatry (that is excluding Gnostic texts, which were Idolatry to the law, and fictitious as well.). There were once believers in the first to late second century at the least, called Elkazites, and called Nazerines (Nazerai), likely named after the Nazerine Mashiahh, who followed their Adon-Tsadikenu (Righteous Master). There was even an offshoot of them, called Ebionites (Ebeyunai), likely named "Poor Ones" for their poverty in material, who beheld a Hebrew Gospel of Matityahu. Paul himself considered it controversial because it was not a "complete gospel", and yet it was said to be written by Matityahu personally. Rome removed Dissonance, today we assume "Jesus christ" died for our sins, and we do not need to follow the law. Though Yahushua did say in Matthew 5:17: (It is in fact in this same chapter, we read the blessings that all may receive, especially persons like the poor, think "Ebionite".)

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"17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Did he say Righteousness is required? Why be afraid of not being lazy, and standing up for another brother and make a change in the world?

The Ebionai, Nazerai, and Elkazai teachings were Mystical, that is with unity and harmony with Divine, they did not really name themselves so much, and they did not call themeselves "Christian", which is simply a Greek noun phrase. They were followers, and trusted Yahushua, giving him honor, but never worship, only reserving that to the Father.

What were Yahushua's real teachings? I think that we see many of them in the first "Gospels" of the Bible, but there is a wealth of other information hiding in Canon, and Fragmented books that are found. Even the Tanakh is insightful to the culture and beliefs in which yahushua lived. 

It is to my Opinion and Understanding, that being based around Knowledge, Fact, trust, and heart, that Yahushua was a King, a Prophet, and Healer, In his land he was called Yahushua mashiahh raphah, which means Yahushua anointed healer, and he was often among nature in meditation, prayer, and peace walks. He spoke extensively about the kingdom of the Heavens, where our blessed Yahuwah, his father dwells, claiming "Ruahh Hakudesh" (holy Spirit) to not be a separate deity from his creation, in the best of ways, telling his inner circle about truths the others would not yet hear. He claimed in Mark 14:62:

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And Jesus said, "I am: and you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven."

which entails that he knew something, in hebrew this statement, "right hand of power" would be something like: "Yamyn shal Eluh", and this has two meaning at the least. First, he is resting in the blessing of the right hand of Eluh (deity of promise), but he is also resting in "power", which is the glory of Eluh. Yahushua was admitting he needed to receive the power of El to do miracles... I am saying that he is much more like a Healer of America, than some priest. He is a knowledgeable mind, and heart like the sun, I find his sayings always function the best for one's soul, to profit happiness.

Yehudah Esecarayot did betray a powerful man at least, and this is a question, "why did Judas betray yahushua?", which is actually another thread here on the site. Though some claim the Zealots were looking for a Warrior, and expecting bloodshed, but this Yahushua was doing the opposite of this, it seemed? Yet he says in Shem Tob's Hebrew Matityahu 26:53 to his follower Kepha (peter) who struck the ear of a servant of the priests:

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53 Do you not understand that I can meet my enemies and indeed there will
be for me at once more than twelve legions of angels?

He clearly made note that the son of man would come on the pillar of cloud in power, and that he can petition/summon Elohim(many deities of a promise; many divine beings) on his behalf. It is as though he is returning to be a warrior?

And just what are his mystical teachings? read them, find out, but only if you want to help humankind as a hero, and not someone who will p*** on pearls. For the one who discovers their meanings can not go back from what they know.

What do you think?

 

Sources: (USE DISCERNMENT; HEALTHY SKEPTICISM BASED ON KNOWLEDGE AND HEART)

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas.html

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/oxyrhynchus840.html

Books of the New Testament

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/ebionites.html

http://ebionite.com/Evidence_of_the_Ebionites.htm

https://jamestabor.com/ebionites-nazarenes-tracking-the-original-followers-of-jesus/

http://hebrewgospel.com/Disappearance Hebrew Matthew Gospel.php

http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/SDAcomms/Hebrew Gospel of MATTHEW by George Howard - Part One.pdf

Books of the Tanakh

http://www.hallelu-yah.nl/Early-Semitic.pdf

Jeff A. Benner  <<<Google

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_book-burning_incidents

https://library.abundanthope.org/index_htm_files/The Lost Books of the Bible.pdf

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/gospelnicodemus.html <<< Gospel of Nicodemus(ACTS OF PILATE): DETAILED ACCOUNT OF JUDGE AND JURY... Not what you thought...

https://www.compellingtruth.org/Essenes.html <<< THEORY of Essenes and John

https://truththeory.com/2016/09/20/secret-mysteries-sun-revealed/ <<< THEORY of Theraputae and Jesus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_the_Ebionites

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2848/2848-h/2848-h.htm <<< Josephus- Antiquity of the Jews (PDF form likely available)

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Bibliography/1998_scott_flee-pella.html<<< DID "Jewish" believers flee to Pella? (***first followers were not christian***)

https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/245-contantines-damage-to-christianity.html<<< Constantine Damages "Christianity"

http://www.equip.org/article/what-really-happened-at-nicea/

https://crossexamined.org/what-really-happened-at-nicea/

http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/ConstantinePaganChristian.htm

http://www.churchhistory101.com/feedback/constantine-against-donatists.php

...Etc...

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On 3/21/2018 at 8:48 AM, jmccr8 said:

Hi Blaye

Just wondering if you were going to advance your position and give us something to work on a discussion with.

jmccr8

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On 3/21/2018 at 1:28 AM, Hre2breal said:

Very interesting......

I edited intro, and added the argument or content for you...

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12 hours ago, Blaye Otanka said:

I edited intro, and added the argument or content for you...

Hi Blaye, Hey Im finding your writings fascinating actually well done you, this forum needs a new flavour such as yourself an I as I have almost no knowledge of your native history an belief it is very enlightening an learned..I myself thank you for the insight of your people as I do know it is a rarity to hear such an indepth explanation of things kept closely guarded...So again thank you...

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19 hours ago, Blaye Otanka said:

I edited intro, and added the argument or content for you...

Hi Blaye

Thanks, I did a cursory read and will go over it in greater depth.

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20 hours ago, Blaye Otanka said:

Yet some texts survived, Gnostic, Coptic, Hebrew, and even Greek, the latter three attest a story often contrary to Roman Idolatry (that is excluding Gnostic texts, which were Idolatry to the law, and fictitious as well.).

You lost me there. The myth you're pushing is not better than the rest.

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On 3/20/2018 at 6:40 PM, Blaye Otanka said:

Mysticism of Yahushua~

Let us learn about what really took place, and what was really said. What are you, and I, supposed to be doing?

Think Book of Thomas, Think Mysticism, Think Ancient Israel, Think Freely.

My stance on this matter is that "Jesus" the "Christ" was actually named Yahushua Mashiahh by his people's standard, and that this Man was more than a man under certain regards, and yet he was not what Most "Christians" know him to be. He was a Mystic, in the sense that we must be in Unity with our Father.

I would like for to generate an Educational community thread, which can also include Debate. 

You need to think outside of your box and read what true scholars who studied all the available texts say about the many Jesuses in ancient times.

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1 hour ago, intoyoulikeatrain said:

You need to think outside of your box and read what true scholars who studied all the available texts say about the many Jesuses in ancient times.

I look outside my box, You need to not be quick to judge in Assumption. In "Jesus" day there were many who came before him at the Dawn of the first century, claiming to be "King of the Jews", and in addition to that there were many savior figures throughout History, many who's life events were very similar, it almost seems repetitive.

For me it is what you call "Fear Cycles" and Destined "Love Cycles", as each story was meant to be similar, if you imagine that much of the known universe is cyclical, and this ties in with conciousness (ex. Melatonin in Pineal gland reliant upon Sun), but even further to say that the world is a collective consciousness, and everyone is manifesting a world together by the intentions and actions each person commits. There are cycles of renewal and cycles of Destruction, and Krishna called this The Beginning and the End of Ages...

If everyone is headed downhill and destroying everything, there is a "Fear cycle", which is a natural purge and is as result of destruction adding to destruction. Now as for Renewal, the earth is also full of harmony, and Divine makes sure that just when all seems lost, there is a Renewal from the ashes, like a phoenix, in which all people choose to heal the world, this is called a "love cycle". This cycle starts with an intention of healing, and the actions of those who want change then starts the renewal process.

We work together in this world. So how I see "Saviors" is that the Divine has been keeping the same destined renewal for the world, and having a similar theme for people to catch onto it. Though Jesus is much different than Krishna and Orpheus an Osiris if you understand how.

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9 hours ago, Hre2breal said:

Hi Blaye, Hey Im finding your writings fascinating actually well done you, this forum needs a new flavour such as yourself an I as I have almost no knowledge of your native history an belief it is very enlightening an learned..I myself thank you for the insight of your people as I do know it is a rarity to hear such an indepth explanation of things kept closely guarded...So again thank you...

Bless you @Hre2breal, I appreciate the kind words, and this is confirming to me that I am on the right track, I am glad I could help. Your kindness also reveals to me that you are just what the world needs when you apply your heartfelt insight to help understanding and Divine abound. Please may you keep the head high and the eye open, full of light.

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2 minutes ago, Blaye Otanka said:

Bless you @Hre2breal, I appreciate the kind words, and this is confirming to me that I am on the right track, I am glad I could help. Your kindness also reveals to me that you are just what the world needs when you apply your heartfelt insight to help understanding and Divine abound. Please may you keep the head high and the eye open, full of light.

Bless you too my native cuzn, You also have a beautiful light may our Creator shine upon you always...You walk very truthful path Blaye an by all means keep your course..It is inspiring an uplifting to have you here..

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6 hours ago, Blaye Otanka said:

I look outside my box, You need to not be quick to judge in Assumption. In "Jesus" day there were many who came before him at the Dawn of the first century, claiming to be "King of the Jews", and in addition to that there were many savior figures throughout History, many who's life events were very similar, it almost seems repetitive.

For me it is what you call "Fear Cycles" and Destined "Love Cycles", as each story was meant to be similar, if you imagine that much of the known universe is cyclical, and this ties in with conciousness (ex. Melatonin in Pineal gland reliant upon Sun), but even further to say that the world is a collective consciousness, and everyone is manifesting a world together by the intentions and actions each person commits. There are cycles of renewal and cycles of Destruction, and Krishna called this The Beginning and the End of Ages...

If everyone is headed downhill and destroying everything, there is a "Fear cycle", which is a natural purge and is as result of destruction adding to destruction. Now as for Renewal, the earth is also full of harmony, and Divine makes sure that just when all seems lost, there is a Renewal from the ashes, like a phoenix, in which all people choose to heal the world, this is called a "love cycle". This cycle starts with an intention of healing, and the actions of those who want change then starts the renewal process.

We work together in this world. So how I see "Saviors" is that the Divine has been keeping the same destined renewal for the world, and having a similar theme for people to catch onto it. Though Jesus is much different than Krishna and Orpheus an Osiris if you understand how.

You got that wrong. You put yourself in a post New Age box but it all smells the same. Cyclical really? How old are you now? Tell me again when you body starts to fall apart. The cycle for the body is back to dirt. The renewal in this world is the skeleton what other dead civilizations left behind. Wake up our life is short. The one thing I agree with the gnostic gospel of thomas is the possible spark in people. It isn't guaranteed. We can only hope it's the escape route to being extinguished. Hope and faith is the same in this box. You follow the gnostic gospel of thomas but you say it's fictitious. :rofl:

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17 hours ago, intoyoulikeatrain said:

You got that wrong. You put yourself in a post New Age box but it all smells the same. Cyclical really? How old are you now? Tell me again when you body starts to fall apart. The cycle for the body is back to dirt. The renewal in this world is the skeleton what other dead civilizations left behind. Wake up our life is short. The one thing I agree with the gnostic gospel of thomas is the possible spark in people. It isn't guaranteed. We can only hope it's the escape route to being extinguished. Hope and faith is the same in this box. You follow the gnostic gospel of thomas but you say it's fictitious. :rofl:

Now this is where I disagree with your first and last statements.

Gospel of Thomas is labeled as Gnostic because it was found at the Nag Hammadi, and is in Coptic, as I said Coptic is not Gnostic Exclusive, and the region in which it was found means nothing. If it was with a set of gnostic gospels, then this also does not mean it is gnostic.

Gnostics are known for taking the Original manuscripts such as Matityahu, and putting their own spin on the story, thus making it fictitious. The Infancy Gospel of the Gnostics implies mary may not have been a virgin, and contrasts to that of every other Infancy Gospel. The gospel of Mary, whether it was Originally written by Maryum or not, is now a Pseudopigraph, and in the story are Idolatries and Greek Philosophy, Hebrews do not think or speak in this way, again it is a story that lacks credibility.

They were False Witnesses, Liers, and Idolaters. I would trust very little from a group such as these. However in the case of the gospel of Thomas, there is a lot of Hebraic philosophy, and sayings that are not anything like what is commonly considered Gnostic. The sayings also align with other books, such as the Gospels of Mainstream Christianity, thus this I give trust, and It by my opinion could not be gnostic. Maybe the Gnostics thought it was really great, and so they did not change the information present, then again, maybe it was never in possession of Gnostics.

Post New age box? That is simply your label for me, to put in your box. I do not fit in your box. No it is obvious with what we call divine laws of creation, which goes into Sacred Geometry, Pythagorean Mathematics, and Philosophy, by Observation of the Functions of the natural world, that there are cycles to everything. I do not care if you doubt me, but I hope you view life in Harmony. I am alive, and mortality is escapable, the destruction is the shedding of the flesh, and the renewal is the fire growing inside. Divine has sent his message through anyone who receives: Enoch 1:XLII:

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L Wisdom found no place where she might dwell;Then a dwelling-place was assigned her in the heavens. 2. Wisdom went forth to make her dwelling among the children of men^ And found no dwelling-place: Wisdom returned to her place, And took her seat among the angels. 3. And unrighteousness went forth from her chambers: Whom she sought not, she found, And dwelt with them, As rain in a desert And dew on a thirsty land.


 

You see Wisdom to Hebrews is like the word of his mouth, and the milk of a breast. El shaddai is a name for Deity, and it means My mighty breast. From Divine do you receive the milk of her breast, and thus her word dwells in you.

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Hi Blaye

After looking through what you have presented so far all I can say is that I appreciate the effort that you have put into you theory but I don't see the connection that you are inferring.

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5 hours ago, Blaye Otanka said:

Now this is where I disagree with your first and last statements.

Gospel of Thomas is labeled as Gnostic because it was found at the Nag Hammadi, and is in Coptic, as I said Coptic is not Gnostic Exclusive, and the region in which it was found means nothing. If it was with a set of gnostic gospels, then this also does not mean it is gnostic.

Gnostics are known for taking the Original manuscripts such as Matityahu, and putting their own spin on the story, thus making it fictitious. The Infancy Gospel of the Gnostics implies mary may not have been a virgin, and contrasts to that of every other Infancy Gospel. The gospel of Mary, whether it was Originally written by Maryum or not, is now a Pseudopigraph, and in the story are Idolatries and Greek Philosophy, Hebrews do not think or speak in this way, again it is a story that lacks credibility.

They were False Witnesses, Liers, and Idolaters. I would trust very little from a group such as these. However in the case of the gospel of Thomas, there is a lot of Hebraic philosophy, and sayings that are not anything like what is commonly considered Gnostic. The sayings also align with other books, such as the Gospels of Mainstream Christianity, thus this I give trust, and It by my opinion could not be gnostic. Maybe the Gnostics thought it was really great, and so they did not change the information present, then again, maybe it was never in possession of Gnostics.

Post New age box? That is simply your label for me, to put in your box. I do not fit in your box. No it is obvious with what we call divine laws of creation, which goes into Sacred Geometry, Pythagorean Mathematics, and Philosophy, by Observation of the Functions of the natural world, that there are cycles to everything. I do not care if you doubt me, but I hope you view life in Harmony. I am alive, and mortality is escapable, the destruction is the shedding of the flesh, and the renewal is the fire growing inside. Divine has sent his message through anyone who receives: Enoch 1:XLII:

 

Before you make any comments about gnosticism know it well because you don't know anything about it. Your facts as you call them are laughable. Someone did a real number on you. GT is a gnostic book because of salvation through knowledge. Demiurge is not god. Who is this demiurge I wonder?

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5 hours ago, Blaye Otanka said:

Post New age box?

, but I hope you view life in Harmony.

 

You view life in Harmony but you follow the GT. :lol:

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On 3/24/2018 at 5:43 PM, jmccr8 said:

Hi Blaye

After looking through what you have presented so far all I can say is that I appreciate the effort that you have put into you theory but I don't see the connection that you are inferring.

jmccr8

What do you mean? I gave the actuality of the circumstance of the time period of Yahushua, and revealed his actions are contrary to the church's opinion, giving the links to reading his actual teachings and the Roman conquer to silence the controversial sword that could divide rome at large. The Gospel of Thomas would be an example, the fragments at Oxhyrhyncus. The Shem Tob Matityahu may have a part of it's Origin source in a much older hebrew manuscript, and this would reveal as to some of the forgotten details of Yahushua. In addition is the learning of Hebraic thought, philosophy, and culture will open your eyes to very relevant statements hidden in the Bible.

The Roman "Correctioners" could not destroy all the evidence.

What connection are you not making? I am confused? To see it perhaps it requires some research.

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