Trump fires McMaster, Hires Bolton

[RAyMO]

I always knew that draining the swamp merely meant replacing the swamp dwellers with Trump swamp dwellers - I just didn't realise that some would be so suited to the environment.

[Phaeton80]

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Trump Names John Bolton, Iran Hawk, Close to Pro-Israel Groups, as National Security Adviser

Naming Bolton suggests Trump is ready to pull out of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal by May 12, the deadline for Trump to waive sanctions. The deal trades sanctions relief for a rollback of Iran’s nuclear program. Bolton is a staunch opponent of the deal, as is Mike Pompeo, the CIA chief Trump nominated last week to replace Rex Tillerson as secretary of state.

Bolton has multiple times striking Iran to stop it from going nuclear may be inevitable. “I don’t make any disguise of the idea that ultimately it may take an Israeli strike against Iran’s nuclear program to stop it,” he told the conservative Washington Free Beacon last August.

Tillerson and McMaster both don’t like the deal but counseled not pulling out of it now that it is in place, because Iran is complying with its narrow strictures, and pulling out would remove whatever leverage the United States has with U.S. allies to pressure Iran outside the deal’s confines. That leaves James Mattis, the defense secretary, as the only Cabinet level official who opposes leaving the deal.

Bolton has close relations with the pro-Israel community stemming from his success in 1991 in getting the United Nations to rescind its Zionism is racism resolution. Bolton was at the time the Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs under President George H. W. Bush.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49061.htm

 

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The Untold Story of John Bolton’s Campaign for War With Iran

March 22, 2018 "Information Clearing House" -  In my reporting on U.S.-Israeli policy, I have tracked numerous episodes in which the United States and/or Israel made moves that seemed to indicate preparations for war against Iran. Each time—in 2007, in 2008, and again in 2011—those moves, presented in corporate media as presaging attacks on Tehran, were actually bluffs aimed at putting pressure on the Iranian government.

But the strong likelihood that Donald Trump will now choose John Bolton as his next national security advisor creates a prospect of war with Iran that is very real. Bolton is no ordinary neoconservative hawk. He has been obsessed for many years with going to war against the Islamic Republic, calling repeatedly for bombing Iran in his regular appearances on Fox News, without the slightest indication that he understands the consequences of such a policy.

His is not merely a rhetorical stance: Bolton actively conspired during his tenure as the Bush administration’s policymaker on Iran from 2002 through 2004 to establish the political conditions necessary for the administration to carry out military action.

More than anyone else inside or outside the Trump administration, Bolton has already influenced Trump to tear up the Iran nuclear deal. Bolton parlayed his connection with the primary financier behind both Benjamin Netanyahu and Donald Trump himself—the militantly Zionist casino magnate Sheldon Adelson—to get Trump’s ear last October, just as the president was preparing to announce his policy on the Iran nuclear agreement, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). He spoke with Trump by phone from Las Vegas after meeting with Adelson.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49062.htm

 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Phaeton80

[Phaeton80]

3 hours ago, acidhead said:

The people of Iran say otherwise! Their repressive regime is done.  What's needed right now is the USA to send a strong message saying f-u... It's over.

Just curious... How many Iranians do you know??

I know many who want to see an end to the rule of the mullahs in Iran.

Isnt it about time your nation stops starting war after war after war? Its like 'what nation should we invade next', while you are still engaged in several (illegal) others. It getting real old real fast dude.

The fact you seem to be cheering on yet another regime change effort, while you are still trying to topple the last selected foreign head of state mind you, after all the mayhem and sheer destruction as well as gigantic lashback earlier instances have resulted in (like, the rise of religious extremism your nation claims to battle), is ratther discouraging.

[Space Commander Travis]

8 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Isnt it about time your nation stops starting war after war after war? Its like 'what nation should we invade next', while you are still engaged in several (illegal) others. It getting real old real fast dude.

The fact you seem to be cheering on yet another regime change effort, while you are still trying to topple the last selected foreign head of state mind you, after all the mayhem and sheer destruction as well as gigantic lashback earlier instances have resulted in (like, the rise of religious extremism your nation claims to battle), is ratther discouraging.

Be fair, look how successful it's been;

(1) Afghanistan: Peaceful and prosperous, and no longer productive of any terrorism at all.

(2) Iraq: Peaceful and prosperous, and no longer productive of any terrorism at all.

(3) Libya: Peaceful and prosperous, and no longer productive of any terrorism at all.

(4) Syria: Er, we'll get back to you on that. 

[Phaeton80]

Maybe its time to topple the US crony elite pushing for these wars..

Of the 240 years of US existence, she has been at war for about ~92% of the time (approx. 219 years).

Now imagine just for a moment this was any other non Western nation.. any other.. where it has additionally been proven most of the wars in the 21st century were illegal, and some of them were based on sheer unadulterated deceit.. what would have happened? Surely, an international coalition (of 'the willing'?) would have been organised to rout out this scourge of the earth, 'leader of such a vile axis of evil'.

Said it before, ill say it again; this reality we are making these days exceedingly feels like a bad dark comedy Hollywood production. Its in- sane, literally. This new Russia slander effort, immediately gobbled up by the EU and most of the rest of the Western juggernaut - including large numbers of her (still gullable) constituants - is another example of that. A case with a body of proof - or lack thereof - which wouldnt last a single day in court, and would morph into a libel / defamation case in a heartbeat (and undoubtedly a succesful one at that).

Crazy times.

[aztek]

no, the biggest War Monger is kept from the office, she lost in 2016.  

[Farmer77]

13 minutes ago, aztek said:

no, the biggest War Monger is kept from the office, she lost in 2016.  

I have to ask whats the point of that statement?

Does that in your mind somehow make Bolton less of a war monger?

Does that somehow make Bolton's encouragement and continued support of the Iraq war somehow more palatable? 

A verified war monger was just named national security advisor and that's your response? Why? 

[Phaeton80]

7 minutes ago, aztek said:

no, the biggest War Monger is kept from the office, she lost in 2016.  

Well that makes it all fine and dandy then. Lets topple al Assad, target Iran, Russia, and maybe China if we can (increase the deficit some more). Hell, maybe we could target them all at once in a WWIII setting, wouldnt that be sweet.

Sadly, I think the only way for the US population to stop regarding war - and all the victims that ensue - as business as usual, is for exactly that being fomented on US soil for a change. Certain people seem to need to become acqainted with it, on a personal level, to stop cheering for them over and over again.

[aztek]

8 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Well that makes it all fine and dandy then. Lets topple al Assad, target Iran, Russia, and maybe China if we can (increase the deficit some more). Hell, maybe we could target them all at once in a WWIII setting, wouldnt that be sweet.

Sadly, I think the only way for the US population to stop regarding war - and all the victims that ensue - as business as usual, is for exactly that being fomented on US soil for a change. Certain people seem to need to become acqainted with it, on a personal level, to stop cheering for them over and over again.

who exactly are you referring as we here? you are a tiny country that does not matter, you can't do any of the thing you mentioned,

us population is not regarding war as anything you describe, you have no clue what us population wants, stop speaking as you know it. and it's defiantly more personal for usa than for you. enjoy your coffee shops.

 

Edited March 23, 2018 by aztek

[preacherman76]

SMH Trump continuing to hire the people who have been the problem, who are the deep state, is really getting under my skin. I just don't think he gets it.

 

But I cant withdraw at least some level of support. Anyone else (who has any chance of winning an election) would just continue to completely sell us out here at home. It would be right back to things like the TPP, and handing over hundreds of billions, for the privilege of losing a few more million jobs. Opening the boarder and flooding us with third world,,,,,,,,,

I officially think this country is just screwed.  

[Phaeton80]

4 minutes ago, aztek said:

who exactly are you referring as we here? you are a tiny country that does not matter, you can't do any of the thing you mentioned,

us population is not regarding war as anything you describe, you have no clue what us population wants, stop speaking as you know it. enjoy your coffee shops. 

 

 

Erm, how old are you exactly? If these wars arent what the US population wants, why do they keep greenlighting them.. are we to conclude you have a repressive / fascist, corrupt regime? Say it isnt so..

[Space Commander Travis]

11 minutes ago, aztek said:

you are a tiny country that does not matter,

and there ladies and gentlemen is the attitude that encapsulates in, how many words was it, nine, the attitude of the neocons that have brought things to the way they are now. You are a tiny country that does not matter, we, America (the neocon vision of it anyway) is big and mighty, and can treat everyone else with utter disdain.

Pity that that attitude can only win you respect in the sense that people are afraid of you . 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Vlad the Mighty

[Space Commander Travis]

11 minutes ago, aztek said:

us population is not regarding war as anything you describe, you have no clue what us population wants, stop speaking as you know it. and it's defiantly more personal for usa than for you. 

It might help if you used capital letters. Do you mean US population , or "us population", meaning "we, the population"? 

[aztek]

4 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

 

Erm, how old are you exactly? If these wars arent what the US population wants, why do they keep greenlighting them.. are we to conclude you have a repressive / fascist, corrupt regime? Say it isnt so..

no they are not, and if you think we support them, or that anyone asked us, you are clueless,  and delusional, and have 0 sense of reality

Edited March 23, 2018 by aztek

[Phaeton80]

These kind of people scare the h*ll out of me, because its these sort of people which will mock it up for the rest of us (with their simplistic, shortsighted dimness - a childlike view of the world). I feel I need to apologize up front for this statement, but that is how I honestly feel.

[aztek]

1 minute ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

It might help if you used capital letters. Do you mean US population , or "us population", meaning "we, the population"? 

it might, or it might not.

[aztek]

1 minute ago, Phaeton80 said:

These kind of people scare the h*ll out of me, because its these sort of people which will mock it up for the rest of us (with their simplistic, shortsighted dimness - a childlike view of the world). I feel I need to apologize up front for this statement, but that is how I honestly feel.

we only mock you because you stick your nose in our business and believe it belongs there. especially when you  say we  in regards to usa, and its population

Edited March 23, 2018 by aztek

[Space Commander Travis]

Just now, aztek said:

we only mock you because you stick your nose in our business and believe it belongs there.

and that, once again, is the neocon attitude in a nutshell. That's exactly what they do to every other country all the time. You're doing very well at summing up neocon policy here. 

[Farmer77]

2 minutes ago, aztek said:

no they are not, and if you think we support them, or that anyone asked us, you are clueless,  and delusional, and have 0 sense of reality

You are on here every day supporting your vote for the party which started the Iraq war and still to this day has troops on the ground in Syria.

You voted for a party which you knew wanted war. The fact that the vast majority of Americans did the same doesn't change that fact. It just means the vast majority of Americans voted for a party which they knew wanted war. 

 

[aztek]

1 minute ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

and that, once again, is the neocon attitude in a nutshell. That's exactly what they do to every other country all the time. You're doing very well at summing up neocon policy here. 

put liberal instead of neocon and it fits you like a glove,

[aztek]

3 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

You are on here every day supporting your vote for the party which started the Iraq war and still to this day has troops on the ground in Syria.

You voted for a party which you knew wanted war. The fact that the vast majority of Americans did the same doesn't change that fact. It just means the vast majority of Americans voted for a party which they knew wanted war. 

 

lol, we had wars under democrats as much as under reps, your beloved hillary openly said she'd attack iran,  so you support wars as much as i do, you think you know how gvmnt works, lol

it's not that i support reps, i just strongly oppose democrats and liberals, not really same thing

Edited March 23, 2018 by aztek

[Farmer77]

Just now, aztek said:

lol, we had wars under democrats as much as under reps, you think you know how gvmnt works, lol

That would be why I said the vast majority of Americans voted for a party they knew wanted war. 

Are you so locked in an echo chamber that you actually thought I meant the vast majority of Americans voted for Trump? 

[Phaeton80]

2 minutes ago, aztek said:

no they are not, and if you think we support them, or that anyone asked us, you are clueless,  and delusional, and have 0 sense of reality

Ah, so the US population is against all these wars, but cannot stop her government starting them on a structural basis. Pretty sure that means you have a rogue regime at the helm.. whatayaknow.

Maybe we should ask Russia and China to come in and topple your POTUS, and the hands that feed him, for you and your fellow Americans.

[Farmer77]

6 minutes ago, aztek said:

lol, we had wars under democrats as much as under reps, your beloved hillary openly said she'd attack iran,  so you support wars as much as i do, you think you know how gvmnt works, lol

Psssssst I didn't vote for Hillary. 

@ExpandMyMind LOL you were saying earlier? 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Farmer77

[aztek]

6 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Ah, so the US population is against all these wars, but cannot stop her government starting them on a structural basis. Pretty sure that means you have a rogue regime at the helm.. whatayaknow.

Maybe we should ask Russia and China to come in and topple your POTUS, and the hands that feed him, for you and your fellow Americans.

do you have a safe place? go there. lol

seriously? you'll ask russia and china......  go ahead ask them, you really think they care about you?  like i said you are tiny nation that does not matter. but if you insist, they just might start a proxy war with usa on your soil. just ask Ukraine, 

Edited March 23, 2018 by aztek