Davros of Skaro Posted April 2, 2018 #26 Share Posted April 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, I'mConvinced said: *Relentless trundling, grinding, slicing noise that appears to be getting closer* That's just the good news coming your way. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactic Goatman Posted April 3, 2018 #27 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Religion is basically a cult with a bigger following. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo Posted April 3, 2018 #28 Share Posted April 3, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 2:04 PM, XenoFish said: I think this might be a tad misleading. The god's were created by people to explain natural phenomena. The someone organized it, created rules and regulations. Taking a simple belief and turning it into a spiritual government for controlling the masses. Through both superstition and fear. Because it's easier to rally a group of fearful people behind the will of a god rather than a man. Especially if they've been deeply indoctrinated into it. Fair, yeah, it's the organized aspect that is the threatening part. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 6, 2018 #29 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) Religions are the codification of personal individual beliefs into a standardised set of group beliefs, rules and laws. it s the difference between going out and having a kick of the footy with friends, or even by yourself, and signing up to play with a competitive team, in a sport bound by rules penalties etc or becoming a paid up team supporter with all the colours, gear and paraphernalia.. if you want to know why anyone would join a religion, ask yourself why people join sporting teams, as players or supporters. Edited April 6, 2018 by Mr Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 6, 2018 #30 Share Posted April 6, 2018 On 02/04/2018 at 10:26 PM, Scudbuster said: Oh yea, like it really has some true meaningful significance in the grand scheme of things...... Are you acting under the assumption that Christianity teaches that only humans are the chosen people of god? Biblically, we are the lost sheep, requiring extra care and work from god, while all the other civilizations remain safely in the fold, having chosen to remain with the shepherd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 7, 2018 #31 Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Scudbuster said: Anyone that follows the bible is truly lost - its just a collection of stories, legends, fables, misogyny, slavery, etc. It was put together by those very fearful of the unknown and deep in a vacuum of scientific knowledge.........matter of fact, there was none. It should have been retired into the dustbins of history a long time ago. And yet, using a combination of biblical wisdoms, humanist principles, and common sense, I have lived a life of many decades without fear, hate, anger. Without depression, anxiety, loneliness. In symbiosis with my society and physical environment and with all my physical and emotional/psychologically needs completely met. Becsue human minds are capable of knowing and questioning, they require knowledge and answers. Science does not provide all the answers that humans ask of themselves, such,as what is my purpose in life who should i chose to be what are my duties and responsibility as a self aware and powerful being on this planet. A life filled with love joy happiness respect and content The secret is understanding the true nature of life, self, and the universe. That all we have and all happiness or grief comes from within us, not from outside, and that thus fears, anger ,love, hate, and compassion are nothing but constructs we build and hold onto. it is not the material world but the world of our spirit and mind which guides us I understand what you are saying but it is too simplistic and often untrue. For at least a millennia, western civilization, and much of the world has be based upon christian values and teachings These have their failings but have worked for the benefit of many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 7, 2018 #32 Share Posted April 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Scudbuster said: Anyone that follows the bible is truly lost - its just a collection of stories, legends, fables, misogyny, slavery, etc. It was put together by those very fearful of the unknown and deep in a vacuum of scientific knowledge.........matter of fact, there was none. It should have been retired into the dustbins of history a long time ago. What do you think about the bible's first philosophical question?/ Which is more important to humans; wisdom or knowledge? Can humans live happily safely and productively in a materialistic society with all their physical needs met OR do we require the needs generated by our self awareness of life, our own nature and drives etc., to be met ,in order to be happy and psychologically well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 8, 2018 #33 Share Posted April 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Scudbuster said: Hey Mr. Walker - let me expand a bit on my thoughts. Those folks back then, the ones that contributed to the bible, these individuals IMO were not dumb or anything of that nature. They certainly provided some savvy and sage advice in their writings when it came to human nature and behavior. What they totally lacked (through no fault of their own) was any ability to make observations, collect information, and make any scientific judgements based on these activities. Therefore, they had to fill in the holes with their own imagination and personal desires for the world to be what they wanted to to be. I don't fault them for that, they did the best they could to explain everything with what little they had. And again, I think they had some sound observations about human behavior.....but that came from what was observed here on terra firma, and what took place/is taking place out there in the universe, well that's a whole other story. IMO they had those abilities which are available to all humans. What they lacked was the basic background knowledge or data about things which modern men take for granted. We learn from the past via others, books, etc And every modern person is taught facts and knowledge. Our minds are no difernt to those ancients. it is just that we have data to build upon Take a modern child and bring it up without knowledge and it will see the world through its own mind just as those people did, and construct its own understandings When you lack data, rational thinking and logic cannot provide accurate factual answers. Science and technologies have slowly built up our current knowledge and data about our world which enable us to use logic and rational thinking to find more accurate answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White-Coyote Posted April 8, 2018 #34 Share Posted April 8, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 9:21 PM, Rummage said: I only believe you can change who I am What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenWolf Posted April 16, 2018 #35 Share Posted April 16, 2018 On 4/6/2018 at 12:46 AM, Mr Walker said: if you want to know why anyone would join a religion, ask yourself why people join sporting teams, as players or supporters. And gangs...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted April 21, 2018 #36 Share Posted April 21, 2018 44 minutes ago, Scudbuster said: Exactly- back then, they knew nothing from an observational/scientific standpoint- so they filled in the gaps with their own wild suppositions, imaginations, and fantasies. I'm not faulting them, I would probably have done the same thing. But that's why the stories from back then should have died out a long, long, time ago. And a lot of people still do fill in the gaps, seeming to find some kind of comfort and solace in ideas that have no basis in fact. It often seems that for every one person who sees/hears/experiences something they don't understand (and seek to find answers), there are ten who cry out: "Ohmagerd! Aliens! Angels! Ghosts! God!" as the only possible solution without even glancing at a more rational or logical cause. If one is predisposed to accept the highly unlikely, other more mundane solutions will be rejected. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted April 22, 2018 #37 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Goddess of the Mist said: Have you hugged your tree lately jmccr8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAGYN RAKEN Posted May 3, 2018 #38 Share Posted May 3, 2018 All human born to choose, not stuck up "Dr. Froylan Alvarado Guemez Pierre Teilhard de Chardin of the Jesuit order. Born in Orcines, on May 1, 1881 and died in New York on April 10, 1995. It was the French theologian, philosopher & paleontologist who built an integrated vision of science and mysticism with his thought; of the evolution of spirit and thought.▪ Religion is not just one, there are hundreds.▪ Spirituality is one.▪ Religion is for those who sleep.▪ Spirituality is for those who are awake.▪ Religion is for those who need someone to tell them what to do and want to be guided.▪ Spirituality is for those who pay attention to their inner voice.▪ Religion has a set of dogmatic rules.▪ Spirituality invites us to reason about everything, to question everything.▪ Religion threatens and frightens.▪ Spirituality gives inner peace.▪ Religion speaks of sin and guilt.▪ Spirituality says, "learn from error".▪ Religion represses everything and in some cases it is false.▪ Spirituality transcends everything, it brings you closer to your truth!▪ Religion speaks of a god; It is not God.▪ Spirituality is everything and, therefore, it is in God.▪ Religion invents.▪Spirituality finds.▪ Religion does not tolerate any question.▪Spirituality questions everything.▪ Religion is human, it is an organization with men's rules.▪ Spirituality is Divine, without human rules.▪ Religion is the cause of divisions.▪The spirituality unites.▪ Religion is looking for you to believe.▪ Spirituality you have to look for it to believe.▪ Religion follows the precepts of a sacred book.▪ Spirituality seeks the sacred in all books.▪ Religion feeds on fear.▪ Spirituality feeds on trust and faith.▪ Religion lives in thought.▪ Spirituality lives in Consciousness.▪ Religion deals with doing.▪ Spirituality has to do with the Self.▪ Religion feeds the ego.▪ Spirituality drives to transcend.▪ Religion makes us renounce the world to follow a god.▪ Spirituality makes us live in God, without renouncing us.▪ Religion is a cult.▪ Spirituality is meditation.▪ Religion fills us with dreams of glory in paradise.▪ Spirituality makes us live the glory and paradise here and now.▪ Religion lives in the past and in the future.▪ Spirituality lives in the present.▪ Religion creates cloisters in our memory.▪ Spirituality liberates our Consciousness.▪ Religion makes us believe in eternal life.▪ Spirituality makes us aware of Eternal Life.▪ Religion promises life after death.▪ Spirituality is to find God in our interior during life and death. -We are not human beings who go through a spiritual experience.- -We are spiritual beings that we go through a human experience.-"In the end choose be slave or freedom, simple. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo Posted May 4, 2018 #39 Share Posted May 4, 2018 On 5/2/2018 at 10:02 PM, DRAGYN RAKEN said: All human born to choose, not stuck up "Dr. Froylan Alvarado Guemez Pierre Teilhard de Chardin of the Jesuit order. Born in Orcines, on May 1, 1881 and died in New York on April 10, 1995. It was the French theologian, philosopher & paleontologist who built an integrated vision of science and mysticism with his thought; of the evolution of spirit and thought.▪ Religion is not just one, there are hundreds.▪ Spirituality is one.▪ Religion is for those who sleep.▪ Spirituality is for those who are awake.▪ Religion is for those who need someone to tell them what to do and want to be guided.▪ Spirituality is for those who pay attention to their inner voice.▪ Religion has a set of dogmatic rules.▪ Spirituality invites us to reason about everything, to question everything.▪ Religion threatens and frightens.▪ Spirituality gives inner peace.▪ Religion speaks of sin and guilt.▪ Spirituality says, "learn from error".▪ Religion represses everything and in some cases it is false.▪ Spirituality transcends everything, it brings you closer to your truth!▪ Religion speaks of a god; It is not God.▪ Spirituality is everything and, therefore, it is in God.▪ Religion invents.▪Spirituality finds.▪ Religion does not tolerate any question.▪Spirituality questions everything.▪ Religion is human, it is an organization with men's rules.▪ Spirituality is Divine, without human rules.▪ Religion is the cause of divisions.▪The spirituality unites.▪ Religion is looking for you to believe.▪ Spirituality you have to look for it to believe.▪ Religion follows the precepts of a sacred book.▪ Spirituality seeks the sacred in all books.▪ Religion feeds on fear.▪ Spirituality feeds on trust and faith.▪ Religion lives in thought.▪ Spirituality lives in Consciousness.▪ Religion deals with doing.▪ Spirituality has to do with the Self.▪ Religion feeds the ego.▪ Spirituality drives to transcend.▪ Religion makes us renounce the world to follow a god.▪ Spirituality makes us live in God, without renouncing us.▪ Religion is a cult.▪ Spirituality is meditation.▪ Religion fills us with dreams of glory in paradise.▪ Spirituality makes us live the glory and paradise here and now.▪ Religion lives in the past and in the future.▪ Spirituality lives in the present.▪ Religion creates cloisters in our memory.▪ Spirituality liberates our Consciousness.▪ Religion makes us believe in eternal life.▪ Spirituality makes us aware of Eternal Life.▪ Religion promises life after death.▪ Spirituality is to find God in our interior during life and death. -We are not human beings who go through a spiritual experience.- -We are spiritual beings that we go through a human experience.-"In the end choose be slave or freedom, simple. ????????????????????????? I can't make heads nor tales of this. It just seems like a theist who thinks he's somehow transcended other theists. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieDarke Posted May 11, 2018 #40 Share Posted May 11, 2018 George Carlin summed religion up perfectly in this quote ... "“Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!" The most advaced cilvilization that ever occupied this planet, the Ancient Egyptians, did not have a word for religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 11, 2018 #41 Share Posted May 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, JamieDarke said: George Carlin summed religion up perfectly in this quote ... "“Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!" The most advaced cilvilization that ever occupied this planet, the Ancient Egyptians, did not have a word for religion. Eh most advanced? How so, and in what way? Explain Ra, Amun and Isis. Then later Aten? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieDarke Posted May 14, 2018 #42 Share Posted May 14, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 8:23 PM, danydandan said: Eh most advanced? How so, and in what way? Explain Ra, Amun and Isis. Then later Aten? Ah citizen DanDanDan ... The pyramids for staters dude. I know and understand why it is difficult for believers to doubt what is written in their bible and I sympathise with you. I will explain Ra, Amun, Isis and Amen if you first explain the Christian doctrine of the Trinity which hold that your god is three persons. The father, the son and the holy spirit. One god in three divine persons. Wow ... far out man! I'm sure you can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 14, 2018 #43 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, JamieDarke said: Ah citizen DanDanDan ... The pyramids for staters dude. I know and understand why it is difficult for believers to doubt what is written in their bible and I sympathise with you. I will explain Ra, Amun, Isis and Amen if you first explain the Christian doctrine of the Trinity which hold that your god is three persons. The father, the son and the holy spirit. One god in three divine persons. Wow ... far out man! I'm sure you can do it. Ever hear the line "assumptions are the mother of all **** ups?" I'm not religious. I'm Agnostic so I can't explain God to anyone as I don't know anything about God. Have you been to the pyramids? I have, they are epic from a long distance but up close they are nothing an advantaged civilisation should be proud of other than their sheer size. Ever been to New York? Now that amazing no matter where to stand. Ever heard of the Panama canal I doubt the ancient Egyptians would be able to build that Edited May 14, 2018 by danydandan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieDarke Posted May 14, 2018 #44 Share Posted May 14, 2018 My assumption was based on your signature quotes. Also that in Ireland people are usually either Catholic or Protestant. My mistake and I tender an apology for my "mother of all ...ups." Have a nice day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 14, 2018 #45 Share Posted May 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, JamieDarke said: My assumption was based on your signature quotes. Also that in Ireland people are usually either Catholic or Protestant. My mistake and I tender an apology for my "mother of all ...ups." Have a nice day! So your not going to explain why you think a civilisation that existed nearly 5000 years ago are more advanced than where we are now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted May 14, 2018 #46 Share Posted May 14, 2018 1 hour ago, danydandan said: So your not going to explain why you think a civilisation that existed nearly 5000 years ago are more advanced than where we are now? It's just all so romantical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 14, 2018 #47 Share Posted May 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: It's just all so romantical. Newgrange is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted May 14, 2018 #48 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Just now, danydandan said: Newgrange is amazing. My personal opinion is that Ireland and Southern England is the Celtic heartland and that the Celts spread from west to east. Ancient are those lands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 14, 2018 #49 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: My personal opinion is that Ireland and Southern England is the Celtic heartland and that the Celts spread from west to east. Ancient are those lands. There was an article I read awhile ago from a professor in Trinity college that suggests that Tara, or The Hill of Tara was the epicenter for the Celtic kingdom so to speak. He suggested that if you took a map of the ancient Celtic kingdom and turned it 90 degrees that Tara is in it's centre, which I found interesting. The Hill of Tara is where the ancient kings of Eire sat before and after the Celts. Newgrange is a stones throw away from The Hill of Tara and so in Knowth and other important Celtic sites. The Boyne Valley is ripe with History, you can forget about Ancient Egypt, Ancient Ireland is more interesting and with the ancient east and atllantic way being to prominent it's leading to more discoveries. http://www.megalithicireland.com/Caherlehillan Early Christian Site.html https://mythicalireland.com/ancient-sites/the-hill-of-tara-teamhair/ Edited May 14, 2018 by danydandan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted May 14, 2018 #50 Share Posted May 14, 2018 The Celts also had ocean-going ships of surprising sophistication, long before the Mediterranean peoples ventured out beyond the Pillars of Hercules. http://dark-age-boats.co.uk/britishromanboats.php 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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