Chemical experts to inspect attack site

[Only_]

11 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Notwithstanding, to claim that there is "no doubt" that this is a false-flag operation is outrageous.

What's outragous is attacking a sovereign state and risking WWIII based on flimsy evidence (if at all) that Assad used chemical weapons in Douma.

Edited April 14, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit

[RoofGardener]

36 minutes ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

What's outragous is attacking a sovereign state and risking WWIII based on flimsy evidence (if at all) that Assad used chemical weapons in Douma.

Well, that seems evasive. Do you retract your statement that there is "no doubt" that this was a false flag operation ? 

Edited April 14, 2018 by RoofGardener

[Sir Smoke aLot]

23 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

Investigations have found over and over and over and over and over again (I could go on) that Assad's regime used chemical weapons. 

You mean about investigation and results which are sealed in the UN with label ''open after 60 years'', 'investigation' which mister Jaafari mentioned at UNSC? Every investigation was done in Brussels. Could i investigate something extreme which happens in China from my warm chair in Sarajevo?

What investigation proved that Assad used chemical weapons? If you can provide some links i would be more than grateful.

[edit] to add : 

https://twitter.com/realDougBell/status/985201824843124736/photo/1

Even tho investigation proved that no trace of alleged chemicals were present at Barzah research center it was attacked regardless of the facts.

Edited April 15, 2018 by Sir Smoke aLot

[RoofGardener]

21 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

What's outragous is attacking a sovereign state and risking WWIII based on flimsy evidence (if at all) that Assad used chemical weapons in Douma.

NO, Clockwork_spirit. 

What is RELEVANT is that an overblown, unsubstantiated comment was made. And the author of that comment is STILL refusing to acknowledge the fact that it was WRONG. 

[GlitterRose]

I'm sick of your propaganda. Both of you.

And it is propaganda. 

I already linked the wiki with the info on all the investigations.

And what have you got? 

Twitter. 

I'm done with you both. You've demonstrated where you stand, and it's in ****.

21 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

What's outragous is attacking a sovereign state and risking WWIII based on flimsy evidence (if at all) that Assad used chemical weapons in Douma.

Nobody's risking WWIII by thwacking a dictator's capability to release chemical weapons on his own people. 

[RoofGardener]

35 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

You mean about investigation and results which are sealed in the UN with label ''open after 60 years'',,,,,,

Really ? REALLY ? 

WOW.. that IS worrying. Can you confirm WHICH United Nations investigation results where "sealed" for "60 years" ? 

And which BRANCH of the United Nations was involved ? And they got all 196 members of the United Nations to agree to this sealage ? 

Did Russia agree to seal it ? 

Did America ? 

Did Iran ? 

Did China ?

Did the Federated States of Micronesia ? 

My GOODNESS... it MUST be bad to get a unique agreement by all 196 countries. 

So PLEASE... could you give us a link to this ? 

 

Edited April 15, 2018 by RoofGardener

[GlitterRose]

Some of the propaganda that's being dredged up is so bad that it's getting blocked by the site. 

Find better ways of backing up your viewpoints, or get better viewpoints. 

[Sir Smoke aLot]

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Really ? REALLY ? 

Yes.

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

WOW.. that IS worrying. Can you confirm WHICH United Nations investigation results where "sealed" for "60 years" ? 

Yes it is. Those regarding use of chemical weapons in Syria from 2012 till 2017 or latest incident from 2016.

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Did Russia agree to seal it ?

Did Russia agree about invading Iraq? About West interference in Ukraine? About NATO placing it's forces near Russian borders?

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

My GOODNESS... it MUST be bad to get a unique agreement by all 196 countries.

You must have missed a lot about how the UN and especially UNSC functions. Check Gadaffi speech from 2009 if i remember and points which he made regarding that. It didn't really played out well for him

Check Jaafari's request to Nikki Haley to address that issue, US representatives just left the meeting when it was brought to UNSC attention.

[GlitterRose]

Hmm...how about Russian interference in Ukraine?

What about that?

There's this saying.

Don't start nuthin, won't be nuthin.

[GlitterRose]

Investigation results have been released. 

Link your source that they haven't. 

I linked mine. 

[RoofGardener]

15 hours ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

Yes.

Yes it is. Those regarding use of chemical weapons in Syria from 2012 till 2017 or latest incident from 2016.

Did Russia agree about invading Iraq? About West interference in Ukraine? About NATO placing it's forces near Russian borders?

You must have missed a lot about how the UN and especially UNSC functions. Check Gadaffi speech from 2009 if i remember and points which he made regarding that. It didn't really played out well for him

Check Jaafari's request to Nikki Haley to address that issue, US representatives just left the meeting when it was brought to UNSC attention.

So in other words the whole thing is made up ?   There IS no UN "investigation" that has been "sealed.... for 60 years", as you stated ? 

[Takh01]

Apologies if this has been asked, I have skimmed parts of this thread rather than read in depth...

Why would someone perform a chemical attack with 2 different chemicals? Is there a good reason for this?

[Only_]

On 15/04/2018 at 11:45 AM, RoofGardener said:

And the author of that comment is STILL refusing to acknowledge the fact that it was WRONG. 

No, I don't retract that statement. Because the timing of the attack is bewildering, the Syrian governement had absolutely no reason to gas it's own citizens when the city was almost liberated from Islamist militants. Under these circumstances, the accusations against Assad are simply absurd.

Edited April 17, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit

[+and-then]

36 minutes ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

No, I don't retract that statement. Because the timing of the attack is bewildering, the Syrian governement had absolutely no reason to gas it's own citizens when the city was almost liberated from Islamist militants. Under these circumstances, the accusations against Assad are simply absurd.

Is it so impossible to imagine that Assad is just a cruel b****** who wanted revenge?  When the last attack happened a year ago, we heard the exact same arguments and his regime saw that there was a solid group of people out there willing to take his side and support his cause.  Why NOT use them?

[Only_]

1 hour ago, and then said:

Is it so impossible to imagine that Assad is just a cruel b****** who wanted revenge?  When the last attack happened a year ago, we heard the exact same arguments and his regime saw that there was a solid group of people out there willing to take his side and support his cause.  Why NOT use them?

It's not about imagination. It's about evidence. Unfortunately for the anti-Assad crowd, there simply isn't any.

American and British Reporters In Syria: There Was NO Chemical Weapons Attack

http://washingtonsblog.com/2018/04/american-and-british-reporters-in-syria-there-was-no-chemical-weapons-attack.html

That piece of investigation alone, in concordance with Russian experts findings, debunks the whole thing.

Edited April 17, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit

[bee]

2 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

No, I don't retract that statement. Because the timing of the attack is bewildering, the Syrian governement had absolutely no reason to gas it's own citizens when the city was almost liberated from Islamist militants. Under these circumstances, the accusations against Assad are simply absurd.

 

The former commander of the British armed forces agrees with you - that's clear even though Sky News desperately cut him off
as he was talking about it - because Sky News is a fully payed up member of the Mind Control Media -

 

 

[bee]

2 hours ago, and then said:

Is it so impossible to imagine that Assad is just a cruel b****** who wanted revenge?  When the last attack happened a year ago, we heard the exact same arguments and his regime saw that there was a solid group of people out there willing to take his side and support his cause.  Why NOT use them?

It's not impossible but to do so requires a suspension of logic and open minded observation - IMO.....

When World events seem completely crazy and without sense.... they do make sense somewhere and to someone (some group)
but we, the public, just aren't privy to the facts - the real reasons are deliberately hidden..... which might have been good enough in 
medieval feudal times but IMO it's not good enough in the 21st century - let's have the real reasons out in the open not hidden
away like a dirty secret - then the citizens and not just the self appointed elite can have a say ---

Bashar al Assad wasn't groomed for power - his elder brother was going to be leader until he died in a car crash - so he returned
to Syria with his British wife  to take up the reigns of power and lead the country - he was feted by world leaders and met the Queen
in 2002 - it later transpired that Tony Blair's government considered recommending him for a knighthood -

At some point though he became.............the enemy..............a monster....................... a cruel b******................ Animal Assad...

I stumbled on the reason why a few days ago... and what happened when I just tried to look for an image confirmed it further -

The Gas Pipeline War........ at first I was...... WTF ...... but then in terms of the global economy it's started to make sense-

I like the Jimmy Dore Show and I stumbled on this one from 2016 -

video description - The conflict in Syria is directly related to plans for massive competing pipelines and West vs East geo-politics.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjOr2YzrZDY

Oooooooookay --- the above video cannot be embedded because of an error........ which fits in with what just happened when I tried
to find an image of a map of the competing pipelines.... the first one I linked to suddenly switched to some very explicit porn -
the second one gave the big red warning of an unsafe site so I have gone to a non english language link for the pic.... that seems to
be ok at the moment - Assad does not support the pipeline that starts at Qatar and won't agree to it going through Syria....

and that is why the US is trying to bring about Regime Change....  (although it could also be a two pronged reason and the Globalists
are also redrawing the borders of the Middle East to further their agenda....which also necessitates the removal of Assad )

so the US and allies make up any old crap to try and get rid of Assad and use and support any old ruthless Islamist group to help
with that endeavour.... 
 

  link

Edited April 17, 2018 by bee

[RoofGardener]

On 13/04/2018 at 6:32 PM, Clockwork_Spirit said:

There is  no doubt that this is a false flag. The question now is by whom and for what purpose.

 

4 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

No, I don't retract that statement. Because the timing of the attack is bewildering, the Syrian governement had absolutely no reason to gas it's own citizens when the city was almost liberated from Islamist militants. Under these circumstances, the accusations against Assad are simply absurd.

I see... so "bewilderment" translates to "no doubt" .. as in.. proven beyond doubt ? 

No problems.. I hereby coin a new term.. the "Clockwork Certainty", meaning "I have no evidence other than my gut feeling, and therefore it MUST be true"  

I shall be using this in future debates, Clockwork_Spirit. Thanks for that  

[bee]

 

just realised the supreme irony...... the twist in the tale -

it's all about gas, man --- all about gas ---- bad gas, good gas ---- our gas, your gas.... 

bout time the 'zero point energy' thingy replaced it....  too late though for the millions and millions of deaths and ruined lives
of the Iraqi, Libyan and Syrian people.... and the billions of tears shed by mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, friends..... 

tell em Mick...

 

 

[GlitterRose]

6 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

It's not about imagination. It's about evidence. Unfortunately for the anti-Assad crowd, there simply isn't any.

American and British Reporters In Syria: There Was NO Chemical Weapons Attack

http://washingtonsblog.com/2018/04/american-and-british-reporters-in-syria-there-was-no-chemical-weapons-attack.html

That piece of investigation alone, in concordance with Russian experts findings, debunks the whole thing.

A "news" agency that promotes conspiracy theories.

And a crazy conspiratorial blog.

You're batting 1,000 on the wacky "sources."

[GlitterRose]

I can't fathom why people are interested in defending a dictator against their own free country. 

I simply can't. 

Ya think he's such a great guy? 

Move there. 

Maybe then you'll see. 

[stevewinn]

What happened to the UN-OPCW inspectors, they asked for access on the 10th. arrived in Syria on the 13th and now unable to get access until the 18th. eleven days after the attack happened - giving plenty of time for Russia to plant evidence or cleaning the place up.

[+and-then]

23 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

What happened to the UN-OPCW inspectors, they asked for access on the 10th. arrived in Syria on the 13th and now unable to get access until the 18th. eleven days after the attack happened - giving plenty of time for Russia to plant evidence or cleaning the place up.

The rebels that were holding the area have surrendered and been bussed out to other rebel-held territories.  I don't understand the delay either.

Edited April 17, 2018 by and then

[+and-then]

9 hours ago, bee said:

It's not impossible but to do so requires a suspension of logic and open minded observation - IMO.....

When World events seem completely crazy and without sense.... they do make sense somewhere and to someone (some group)
but we, the public, just aren't privy to the facts - the real reasons are deliberately hidden..... which might have been good enough in 
medieval feudal times but IMO it's not good enough in the 21st century - let's have the real reasons out in the open not hidden
away like a dirty secret - then the citizens and not just the self appointed elite can have a say ---

Bashar al Assad wasn't groomed for power - his elder brother was going to be leader until he died in a car crash - so he returned
to Syria with his British wife  to take up the reigns of power and lead the country - he was feted by world leaders and met the Queen
in 2002 - it later transpired that Tony Blair's government considered recommending him for a knighthood -

At some point though he became.............the enemy..............a monster....................... a cruel b******................ Animal Assad...

I stumbled on the reason why a few days ago... and what happened when I just tried to look for an image confirmed it further -

The Gas Pipeline War........ at first I was...... WTF ...... but then in terms of the global economy it's started to make sense-

I like the Jimmy Dore Show and I stumbled on this one from 2016 -

video description - The conflict in Syria is directly related to plans for massive competing pipelines and West vs East geo-politics.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjOr2YzrZDY

Oooooooookay --- the above video cannot be embedded because of an error........ which fits in with what just happened when I tried
to find an image of a map of the competing pipelines.... the first one I linked to suddenly switched to some very explicit porn -
the second one gave the big red warning of an unsafe site so I have gone to a non english language link for the pic.... that seems to
be ok at the moment - Assad does not support the pipeline that starts at Qatar and won't agree to it going through Syria....

and that is why the US is trying to bring about Regime Change....  (although it could also be a two pronged reason and the Globalists
are also redrawing the borders of the Middle East to further their agenda....which also necessitates the removal of Assad )

so the US and allies make up any old crap to try and get rid of Assad and use and support any old ruthless Islamist group to help
with that endeavour.... 
 

  link

Why does Russia support a pipeline that would undercut a prime support of their own economy, bee?  Energy is by far their biggest export, right?  I'm trying to understand this and it's not adding up where Russia is concerned.

[Unusual Tournament]

...and the latest twist...

Russian Military Finds Chemical Weapons Warehouse in Syrian Douma - Reports

"The discovered substances, such as thiodiglycol and diethanolamine, are necessary for the production of sulfur and nitrogen mustard gas. In addition, a cylinder with chlorine, similar to that used by militants for setting up the wide-spread fake story, was found in the warehouse. It can be concluded that this laboratory was used by illegal armed groups for the production of poisonous substances," Rodionov said, as quoted by the Zvezda TV channel.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804171063655063-russian-military-chemical-weapons-douma/