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Chemical experts to inspect attack site

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Captain Risky
1 hour ago, RAyMO said:

Who has the capability, who has the motive, who can get the information they want disseminated into homes and into intelligence agencies.

Do I trust our intelligence agencies to get this right? Not sure, the bar of proof seems low these day.

well i would go a different way. who profits the most from having Assad removed and Syria partitioned.

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Astra.

Apparently the french president Emmanuel Macron is now claiming that he now has proof that the Assad regime were responsible for the use of a chemical weapon. However, I'm curious to know in how they obtained this proof so quickly ?

Have they already sent forensic investigators to the site where this alleged attack took place to gather samples ?

It also seems that they believe that chlorine was the chemical used. Yet in one of the alleged video's I saw, there were people who were foaming at the mouth. Does the use of a common substance such as chlorine cause this to happen ?

Either way, it seems that they (the powers that be) are determined to pin this on Assad no matter what.

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/macron-we-have-proof-that-chemical-weapons-were-used-by-assad-1.5993540?utm_source=Push_Notification&utm_medium=web_push&utm_campaign=General

 

 

 

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RoofGardener

<*snip*> - Astra got there ahead of me :) 

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Mr.United_Nations

Why is the French always finds things? I know they have a history on experience  and knowledge about chemical weapons. Could it be France have agents in Lebanon?

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Astra.
5 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

That I don't know but it is all too convenient. 

Exactly, and that's why I have now questioned the 2017 alleged chemical attack that the Assad government was blamed for back then, including also the 2013 chemical attack. Rather than believe everything that 'they' want you to believe...I now take a much more cautious and objective approach to any possible balderdash that they may be trying to feed us.  

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seanjo
5 hours ago, bee said:

 

sounds like you support the Islamic State and other affiliated Islamist groups who want to invade and take over Syria...?

they are the ones who will benefit from Western intervention....

 

I support the original rebels that wanted a proper democratic election...remember that?

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seanjo

I have a theory, it's the NGO's doing it, all those adverts calling for aid in Syria think of the money they must be making!

 

 

Of course, I am kidding, but it's as good a theory as any conspiracy nut is coming up with.

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stevewinn
5 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Thanks Steve, that is fascinating. 

One note of caution: is the absence of aircraft over Syria a recent phenomena ? (e.g. a reaction to a possible airstrike), or has it been like this for ages ? 

 

A couple of hours before i posted the screenshot multiple Airlines were transiting over Syrian Airspace. Emirates, Etihad, Qatar, Air Arabia, Air Iraq etc... I've just checked now and theres still an absence of aircraft crossing Syria. unlike the previous days, were it looked like business as usual.

I'd say an attack will come during the hours of Darkness. 'makes good TV' as a Tomahawk is fired from a US Destroyer. - They'll have to wait 24 hours for the British, as there is no Nuclear Submarine in the Med. (UK ability to launch Tomahawk or TLAM is via Trafalgar and Astute Class Subs). But we could help out in other ways such as offering the French the use of Emergency runways for damaged aircraft, plus our listening posts in region Cyprus etc...

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seanjo
Just now, stevewinn said:

But we could help out in other ways such as offering the French the use of Emergency runways for damaged aircraft, plus our listening posts in region Cyprus etc...

 

We're doing all of that now anyway.

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Mr.United_Nations

So I've been going through news updates, twitter, you name it. So far I've found that the Russians have moved their ships form Tartus, possibly to avoid being hit. Also refueling aircraft have been withdrawn from an exercise, they are French, American and Italian, this was from one poster on twitter

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Astra.

Also, regardless of Emmanuel Macron having this said proof of chlorine that was used in this recent attack.

Where are the bodies now of the people who died due to this chemical being used ?

Are they now in a morgue somewhere, waiting for an autopsy to be done by a proper medical investigative team ?

As this would seem to me as being a vital piece of evidence to back up these claims of a mass chemical poisoning. 

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stevewinn
1 hour ago, Astra. said:

Also, regardless of Emmanuel Macron having this said proof of chlorine that was used in this recent attack.

Where are the bodies now of the people who died due to this chemical being used ?

Are they now in a morgue somewhere, waiting for an autopsy to be done by a proper medical investigative team ?

As this would seem to me as being a vital piece of evidence to back up these claims of a mass chemical poisoning. 

Was a chemical device / weapon used?

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stevewinn
2 hours ago, seanjo said:

We're doing all of that now anyway.

Correct, and use of Re-fueling aircraft and ISTAR assets. - For the record i don't think we should be getting involved. - over a million Young men of Fighting age fled Syria for Europe. why should a British service personnel life be put on the line.

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RAyMO
8 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

British service personnel life be put on the line.

quite, or french or American ....

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seanjo
21 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Correct, and use of Re-fueling aircraft and ISTAR assets. - For the record i don't think we should be getting involved. - over a million Young men of Fighting age fled Syria for Europe. why should a British service personnel life be put on the line.

I agree we should never have been involved and Parliament voted against action in Syria in 2013 (I think) BUT, ISIS and action in Iraq, supporting the Kurds etc. has muddied the water. 

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seanjo
1 hour ago, Astra. said:

Also, regardless of Emmanuel Macron having this said proof of chlorine that was used in this recent attack.

Where are the bodies now of the people who died due to this chemical being used ?

Are they now in a morgue somewhere, waiting for an autopsy to be done by a proper medical investigative team ?

As this would seem to me as being a vital piece of evidence to back up these claims of a mass chemical poisoning. 

If they are Moslem they are interred within 24 hours.

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stevewinn
5 minutes ago, seanjo said:

I agree we should never have been involved and Parliament voted against action in Syria in 2013 (I think) BUT, ISIS and action in Iraq, supporting the Kurds etc. has muddied the water. 

Trouble is the UN voted in favour of establishing a new Syrian transitional government and its this body which the UN classes as the official government. So Assad it would seem would have to be removed. its why the issue cannot be left to Assad, Russia and Iran.

myself after the 'thanks' the west got for adventures in the middle east i'd leave it to Russia and Iran to support Assad. The question i'd ask is who would you rather have a b****** in Assad but in control of Syrian territory or ISIS filling the void, causing further instability and providing a breeding ground for International terrorism.

a sort of a - My enemy's enemy is my Friend enemy

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RoofGardener
4 hours ago, Mr.United_Nations said:

So I've been going through news updates, twitter, you name it. So far I've found that the Russians have moved their ships form Tartus, possibly to avoid being hit. Also refueling aircraft have been withdrawn from an exercise, they are French, American and Italian, this was from one poster on twitter

I'd be cautious of using Twitter as a source of information.. .unless the Tweets provided corroboration ? 

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RoofGardener
1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

Trouble is the UN voted in favour of establishing a new Syrian transitional government and its this body which the UN classes as the official government. So Assad it would seem would have to be removed. its why the issue cannot be left to Assad, Russia and Iran.

myself after the 'thanks' the west got for adventures in the middle east i'd leave it to Russia and Iran to support Assad. The question i'd ask is who would you rather have a b****** in Assad but in control of Syrian territory or ISIS filling the void, causing further instability and providing a breeding ground for International terrorism.

a sort of a - My enemy's enemy is my Friend enemy

Hells bells.. I missed THAT one... 

Do you have any links on that ? I mean... that is RADICAL.. the United Nations (of which Syria is a member) voted to remove the Syrian government ? 

Umm... are you SURE ? I would have thought that the Russians would have vetoed that in the Security Council , and that the Islamic Block would have voted it down in the General Council  ? )

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stevewinn
13 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Hells bells.. I missed THAT one... 

Do you have any links on that ? I mean... that is RADICAL.. the United Nations (of which Syria is a member) voted to remove the Syrian government ? 

Umm... are you SURE ? I would have thought that the Russians would have vetoed that in the Security Council , and that the Islamic Block would have voted it down in the General Council  ? )

Your right. first link which was unanimously accepted 

https://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sc12171.doc.htm

Russia vetoed official recognition. which prevents the UN adopting recognition as a result -

The Syrian National Council is recognised by USA, Canada, United Kingdom, France and informal by the EU and many other UN members.

So its those Nations and not the UN as a whole (which i stated incorrectly) which sees the Syrian Council as the representatives of the Syrian people.

http://syriancouncil.org/

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DarkHunter

Not a lot of information on this yet but Macron is saying he has evidence of chemical weapon use in Douma and NBC is reporting blood and urine samples smuggled out of Douma of the victims show that a mix of chlorine and a nerve agent were used.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-middle-east-43740626

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/apr/12/uk-russia-tensions-rise-over-syria-attack-and-salisbury-poisoning-live-updates

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna865431

Also seems the UK is going to back America and France in the response to the Douma chemical weapon attack.

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Captain Risky
2 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Not a lot of information on this yet but Macron is saying he has evidence of chemical weapon use in Douma and NBC is reporting blood and urine samples smuggled out of Douma of the victims show that a mix of chlorine and a nerve agent were used.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-middle-east-43740626

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/apr/12/uk-russia-tensions-rise-over-syria-attack-and-salisbury-poisoning-live-updates

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna865431

Also seems the UK is going to back America and France in the response to the Douma chemical weapon attack.

man this is starting to sound more and more like Gulf war 2. 

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Captain Risky
4 hours ago, Astra. said:

Also, regardless of Emmanuel Macron having this said proof of chlorine that was used in this recent attack.

Where are the bodies now of the people who died due to this chemical being used ?

Are they now in a morgue somewhere, waiting for an autopsy to be done by a proper medical investigative team ?

As this would seem to me as being a vital piece of evidence to back up these claims of a mass chemical poisoning. 

having proof of chemical weapons being used is one thing but proving who used them is another. how were they delivered and in what amounts. these are the questions Macron should be searching for before jumping up and down claiming any moral high ground. if Macron is looking to galvanise another "coalition of the willing" he better be ready for the eventual vilification and repercussions of possibly starting an even bigger war down the road. 

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A rather obscure Bassoon
10 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

well i would go a different way. who profits the most from having Assad removed and Syria partitioned.

There are several contenders, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Isreal but ultimately if evidence can't be found it will be manufactured.

Assad has defied the odds and was slowly clawing back his country.

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