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Takh01

Apologies if this has been asked, I have skimmed parts of this thread rather than read in depth...

Why would someone perform a chemical attack with 2 different chemicals? Is there a good reason for this?

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crookedspiral
On 15/04/2018 at 11:45 AM, RoofGardener said:

And the author of that comment is STILL refusing to acknowledge the fact that it was WRONG. 

No, I don't retract that statement. Because the timing of the attack is bewildering, the Syrian governement had absolutely no reason to gas it's own citizens when the city was almost liberated from Islamist militants. Under these circumstances, the accusations against Assad are simply absurd.

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36 minutes ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

No, I don't retract that statement. Because the timing of the attack is bewildering, the Syrian governement had absolutely no reason to gas it's own citizens when the city was almost liberated from Islamist militants. Under these circumstances, the accusations against Assad are simply absurd.

Is it so impossible to imagine that Assad is just a cruel b****** who wanted revenge?  When the last attack happened a year ago, we heard the exact same arguments and his regime saw that there was a solid group of people out there willing to take his side and support his cause.  Why NOT use them?

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1 hour ago, and then said:

Is it so impossible to imagine that Assad is just a cruel b****** who wanted revenge?  When the last attack happened a year ago, we heard the exact same arguments and his regime saw that there was a solid group of people out there willing to take his side and support his cause.  Why NOT use them?

It's not about imagination. It's about evidence. Unfortunately for the anti-Assad crowd, there simply isn't any.

American and British Reporters In Syria: There Was NO Chemical Weapons Attack

http://washingtonsblog.com/2018/04/american-and-british-reporters-in-syria-there-was-no-chemical-weapons-attack.html

That piece of investigation alone, in concordance with Russian experts findings, debunks the whole thing.

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2 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

No, I don't retract that statement. Because the timing of the attack is bewildering, the Syrian governement had absolutely no reason to gas it's own citizens when the city was almost liberated from Islamist militants. Under these circumstances, the accusations against Assad are simply absurd.

 

The former commander of the British armed forces agrees with you - that's clear even though Sky News desperately cut him off
as he was talking about it - because Sky News is a fully payed up member of the Mind Control Media -

 

 

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2 hours ago, and then said:

Is it so impossible to imagine that Assad is just a cruel b****** who wanted revenge?  When the last attack happened a year ago, we heard the exact same arguments and his regime saw that there was a solid group of people out there willing to take his side and support his cause.  Why NOT use them?

It's not impossible but to do so requires a suspension of logic and open minded observation - IMO.....

When World events seem completely crazy and without sense.... they do make sense somewhere and to someone (some group)
but we, the public, just aren't privy to the facts - the real reasons are deliberately hidden..... which might have been good enough in 
medieval feudal times but IMO it's not good enough in the 21st century - let's have the real reasons out in the open not hidden
away like a dirty secret - then the citizens and not just the self appointed elite can have a say ---

Bashar al Assad wasn't groomed for power - his elder brother was going to be leader until he died in a car crash - so he returned
to Syria with his British wife  to take up the reigns of power and lead the country - he was feted by world leaders and met the Queen
in 2002 - it later transpired that Tony Blair's government considered recommending him for a knighthood -

At some point though he became.............the enemy..............a monster....................... a cruel b******................ Animal Assad...

I stumbled on the reason why a few days ago... and what happened when I just tried to look for an image confirmed it further -

The Gas Pipeline War........ at first I was...... WTF ...... but then in terms of the global economy it's started to make sense-

I like the Jimmy Dore Show and I stumbled on this one from 2016 -

video description - The conflict in Syria is directly related to plans for massive competing pipelines and West vs East geo-politics.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjOr2YzrZDY

Oooooooookay --- the above video cannot be embedded because of an error........ which fits in with what just happened when I tried
to find an image of a map of the competing pipelines.... the first one I linked to suddenly switched to some very explicit porn -
the second one gave the big red warning of an unsafe site so I have gone to a non english language link for the pic.... that seems to
be ok at the moment - Assad does not support the pipeline that starts at Qatar and won't agree to it going through Syria....

and that is why the US is trying to bring about Regime Change....  (although it could also be a two pronged reason and the Globalists
are also redrawing the borders of the Middle East to further their agenda....which also necessitates the removal of Assad )

so the US and allies make up any old crap to try and get rid of Assad and use and support any old ruthless Islamist group to help
with that endeavour.... 
 

piplnsSyria.jpeg?resize=696%2C457

  link

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seanjo
On 14/04/2018 at 1:08 PM, Lilly said:

There's the crux of the problem with trying to go in for an investigation. I highly suspect there was very compelling intelligence that caused both Great Britain and France to get on board so quickly. 

Exactly, after the GW2 debacle and then Libya not many British governments are going to jump in unless they are sure.

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RoofGardener
On 13/04/2018 at 6:32 PM, Clockwork_Spirit said:

There is  no doubt that this is a false flag. The question now is by whom and for what purpose.

 

4 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

No, I don't retract that statement. Because the timing of the attack is bewildering, the Syrian governement had absolutely no reason to gas it's own citizens when the city was almost liberated from Islamist militants. Under these circumstances, the accusations against Assad are simply absurd.

I see... so "bewilderment" translates to "no doubt" .. as in.. proven beyond doubt ? 

No problems.. I hereby coin a new term.. the "Clockwork Certainty", meaning "I have no evidence other than my gut feeling, and therefore it MUST be true" :D 

I shall be using this in future debates, Clockwork_Spirit. Thanks for that :) 

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bee

 

just realised the supreme irony...... the twist in the tale -

it's all about gas, man --- all about gas ---- bad gas, good gas ---- our gas, your gas.... 

bout time the 'zero point energy' thingy replaced it....  too late though for the millions and millions of deaths and ruined lives
of the Iraqi, Libyan and Syrian people.... and the billions of tears shed by mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, friends..... :(

tell em Mick...

 

 

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6 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

It's not about imagination. It's about evidence. Unfortunately for the anti-Assad crowd, there simply isn't any.

American and British Reporters In Syria: There Was NO Chemical Weapons Attack

http://washingtonsblog.com/2018/04/american-and-british-reporters-in-syria-there-was-no-chemical-weapons-attack.html

That piece of investigation alone, in concordance with Russian experts findings, debunks the whole thing.

A "news" agency that promotes conspiracy theories.

And a crazy conspiratorial blog.

You're batting 1,000 on the wacky "sources."

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I can't fathom why people are interested in defending a dictator against their own free country. 

I simply can't. 

Ya think he's such a great guy? 

Move there. 

Maybe then you'll see. 

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stevewinn

What happened to the UN-OPCW inspectors, they asked for access on the 10th. arrived in Syria on the 13th and now unable to get access until the 18th. eleven days after the attack happened - giving plenty of time for Russia to plant evidence or cleaning the place up.

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23 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

What happened to the UN-OPCW inspectors, they asked for access on the 10th. arrived in Syria on the 13th and now unable to get access until the 18th. eleven days after the attack happened - giving plenty of time for Russia to plant evidence or cleaning the place up.

The rebels that were holding the area have surrendered and been bussed out to other rebel-held territories.  I don't understand the delay either.

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9 hours ago, bee said:

It's not impossible but to do so requires a suspension of logic and open minded observation - IMO.....

When World events seem completely crazy and without sense.... they do make sense somewhere and to someone (some group)
but we, the public, just aren't privy to the facts - the real reasons are deliberately hidden..... which might have been good enough in 
medieval feudal times but IMO it's not good enough in the 21st century - let's have the real reasons out in the open not hidden
away like a dirty secret - then the citizens and not just the self appointed elite can have a say ---

Bashar al Assad wasn't groomed for power - his elder brother was going to be leader until he died in a car crash - so he returned
to Syria with his British wife  to take up the reigns of power and lead the country - he was feted by world leaders and met the Queen
in 2002 - it later transpired that Tony Blair's government considered recommending him for a knighthood -

At some point though he became.............the enemy..............a monster....................... a cruel b******................ Animal Assad...

I stumbled on the reason why a few days ago... and what happened when I just tried to look for an image confirmed it further -

The Gas Pipeline War........ at first I was...... WTF ...... but then in terms of the global economy it's started to make sense-

I like the Jimmy Dore Show and I stumbled on this one from 2016 -

video description - The conflict in Syria is directly related to plans for massive competing pipelines and West vs East geo-politics.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjOr2YzrZDY

Oooooooookay --- the above video cannot be embedded because of an error........ which fits in with what just happened when I tried
to find an image of a map of the competing pipelines.... the first one I linked to suddenly switched to some very explicit porn -
the second one gave the big red warning of an unsafe site so I have gone to a non english language link for the pic.... that seems to
be ok at the moment - Assad does not support the pipeline that starts at Qatar and won't agree to it going through Syria....

and that is why the US is trying to bring about Regime Change....  (although it could also be a two pronged reason and the Globalists
are also redrawing the borders of the Middle East to further their agenda....which also necessitates the removal of Assad )

so the US and allies make up any old crap to try and get rid of Assad and use and support any old ruthless Islamist group to help
with that endeavour.... 
 

piplnsSyria.jpeg?resize=696%2C457

  link

Why does Russia support a pipeline that would undercut a prime support of their own economy, bee?  Energy is by far their biggest export, right?  I'm trying to understand this and it's not adding up where Russia is concerned.

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...and the latest twist...

Russian Military Finds Chemical Weapons Warehouse in Syrian Douma - Reports

"The discovered substances, such as thiodiglycol and diethanolamine, are necessary for the production of sulfur and nitrogen mustard gas. In addition, a cylinder with chlorine, similar to that used by militants for setting up the wide-spread fake story, was found in the warehouse. It can be concluded that this laboratory was used by illegal armed groups for the production of poisonous substances," Rodionov said, as quoted by the Zvezda TV channel.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804171063655063-russian-military-chemical-weapons-douma/

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4 hours ago, and then said:

Why does Russia support a pipeline that would undercut a prime support of their own economy, bee?  Energy is by far their biggest export, right?  I'm trying to understand this and it's not adding up where Russia is concerned.

Iran is a ally of Russia and what's good for Iran is good for Russia. the cheaper they can get their energy to the west the more they sell. notice how the Iranian pipeline travels less to port that the Qatar - Turkey line. 

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9 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

I can't fathom why people are interested in defending a dictator against their own free country. 

I simply can't. 

Ya think he's such a great guy? 

Move there. 

Maybe then you'll see. 

its not defending a dictator but rather holding our democratic system and government to account. 

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1 minute ago, Captain Risky said:

Iran is a ally of Russia and what's good for Iran is good for Russia. the cheaper they can get their energy to the west the more they sell. notice how the Iranian pipeline travels less to port that the Qatar - Turkey line. 

So Russia is willing to share its major source of income with an ally just because that ally will buy from them?  I think that's questionable, but I guess there could be other considerations that make it attractive.  I don't reject the idea bee put forward, I just don't see the whole picture as justified yet.

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piplnsSyria.jpeg?resize=696,457

@and then it really wouldn't take that much for the Russians to hook into the pipeline from Southern Russia. giving the Russians another way to market. a way that holds no political risk.  

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2 minutes ago, and then said:

So Russia is willing to share its major source of income with an ally just because that ally will buy from them?  I think that's questionable, but I guess there could be other considerations that make it attractive.  I don't reject the idea bee put forward, I just don't see the whole picture as justified yet.

dunno, maybe Russia is looking at the bigger picture and looking to form its own energy alliance to compete directly with U.S. control over the Middle East reserves. 

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actually looking at the Qatar pipeline it would make more sense to by-pass Syria and go directly through Jordan and Lebanon. 

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Captain Risky
17 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

It's not about imagination. It's about evidence. Unfortunately for the anti-Assad crowd, there simply isn't any.

American and British Reporters In Syria: There Was NO Chemical Weapons Attack

http://washingtonsblog.com/2018/04/american-and-british-reporters-in-syria-there-was-no-chemical-weapons-attack.html

That piece of investigation alone, in concordance with Russian experts findings, debunks the whole thing.

im not an Assad fan by any stretch but where exactly is the proof. they don't even know what chemical was used let alone how it was delivered.so how do they really know it was Assad when there are so many protagonists in Syria. why hasn't anyone pointed the finger at ISIS? 

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crookedspiral
15 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

A "news" agency that promotes conspiracy theories.

And a crazy conspiratorial blog.

You're batting 1,000 on the wacky "sources."

You are quick to dismiss the sources without looking at the actual content. Here we have a journalist who went to Douma, Syria to make his own investigation and look at the facts on the ground. He was given access to the facilities and spoke with the medical personal and plenty of civilians in the area (none of which heard anything about a chemical attack). BTW, the OAN network is approved by your own president, Donald Trump.

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1 hour ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

BTW, the OAN network is approved by your own president, Donald Trump.

:w00t:   DEFINITELY, NOT the way to impress Miss Rose :w00t:

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Senators leave classified briefing on Trump's Syria policy 'very unnerved'

Washington (CNN)Lawmakers emerged from a classified administration briefing expressing concern about administration policy on Syria and the legal justification for last week's military strikes against the regime of Bashar al-Assad. 

"I am very unnerved by what I'm hearing and seeing," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, who said the briefing on the strikes made him more worried, not less. The administration is "going down a dangerous path" with regards to Syria, he said, without offering details.
 

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