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crookedspiral
18 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Senators leave classified briefing on Trump's Syria policy 'very unnerved'

Washington (CNN)Lawmakers emerged from a classified administration briefing expressing concern about administration policy on Syria and the legal justification for last week's military strikes against the regime of Bashar al-Assad. 

"I am very unnerved by what I'm hearing and seeing," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, who said the briefing on the strikes made him more worried, not less. The administration is "going down a dangerous path" with regards to Syria, he said, without offering details.
 

I'd be unnerved too. The U.S., U.K. and France bypassed the U.N. and international law to attack a sovereign nation without any formal request and made it look as if Russia is the only world power sitting at the Security Council that cares about international procedures (perhaps foolishly).

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pallidin

Let inspectors in.

Apparently, Russia has placed "conditions"

Hmmm....

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pallidin

What does Assad, or Putin, have to hide with "conditional inspections" ??

Perhaps hide the truth.

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Captain Risky
28 minutes ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

I'd be unnerved too. The U.S., U.K. and France bypassed the U.N. and international law to attack a sovereign nation without any formal request and made it look as if Russia is the only world power sitting at the Security Council that cares about international procedures (perhaps foolishly).

this strike and in fact the whole Trump Syria narrative reminds me of Bush and Gulf War 2. the lies, badly thought out and unilateral moves make you wonder exactly who's the good guy in all this. as far as I'm concerned there is no none. 

 

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pallidin
28 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

this strike and in fact the whole Trump Syria narrative reminds me of Bush and Gulf War 2. the lies, badly thought out and unilateral moves make you wonder exactly who's the good guy in all this. as far as I'm concerned there is no none. 

 

The fact IS, Assad, once again, used banned chemical weapons.

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bee

 

14 hours ago, and then said:

Why does Russia support a pipeline that would undercut a prime support of their own economy, bee?  Energy is by far their biggest export, right?  I'm trying to understand this and it's not adding up where Russia is concerned.

 

You bring up a good point.... and I,myself am trying to understand it... as looking at the whole Syria mess from the pipeline angle is new for me -

a quick search brought this article up from a couple of years ago and it looks like Russia is obviously concerned but will seek to make the most
of it.... 

Along with the business opportunities, Russian companies will also be driven to Iran by the need to establish a presence before Iran emerges as a new rival on the export market, added Valentina Kretzschmar, director of upstream corporate research at the energy consultancy Wood Mackenzie.

“It’s really about securing a market share for Gazprom,” Kretzschmar said. “Russia would be better-positioned to protect its market share if it has a position in Iran. It’s all about controlling that gas; it’s a global market share whether the gas goes to Asia or to Europe.”

 

the US cosies up to Saudi Arabia to reap the economic benefits and perhaps the same can be said of Russia and Iran... ?

     

10 hours ago, and then said:

So Russia is willing to share its major source of income with an ally just because that ally will buy from them?  I think that's questionable, but I guess there could be other considerations that make it attractive.  I don't reject the idea bee put forward, I just don't see the whole picture as justified yet.


I think there are some big shifts coming in the Global Economy and China is going to introduce an alternative to the US petro dollar as the
world oil trading currency.... this will be causing the US (and Trump) concerns because of the affects on the economy and MAGA -

During his presidential campaign Trump said that Obama / Clinton were the founding members of ISIS (something like that) and at first
this sounds like crazy talk but Trump was obviously aware of the Obama administrations arming / funding / using  radical islamic groups
to destabilise and regime change Libya and then move the arms and radical groups up to Syria to do the same there - and ISIS was born -

so he was right really --- but now he has basically bombed in support of the radical islamists himself  - so gawd knows what he has
been pursuaded by behind the scenes... 

''It's the economy stupid''.....?

anyway don't want to go too off topic with all this.... but I was responding to that one comment you made about Assad earlier in the thread...

 

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bee
1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

Senators leave classified briefing on Trump's Syria policy 'very unnerved'

Washington (CNN)Lawmakers emerged from a classified administration briefing expressing concern about administration policy on Syria and the legal justification for last week's military strikes against the regime of Bashar al-Assad. 

"I am very unnerved by what I'm hearing and seeing," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, who said the briefing on the strikes made him more worried, not less. The administration is "going down a dangerous path" with regards to Syria, he said, without offering details.
 

 

Isn't that Lindsey Graham, John McCain's warmongering mate.... so maybe it's good news that he is unnerved... 
from the World Peace perspective..

although Trump has gone rogue with the Syria strikes and backing the  'Animal Assad'  used chemical weapons BS ---
perhaps he can pull it back a bit now he has done the Chest Thumping Thing on America's behalf........ :) 
with Macron and May doing their little supportive Chest Thumping display behind the Alpha Male . ^_^

Washington Examiner

Graham said the air and missile strikes that targeted three chemical weapons facilities in Syria were a “missed opportunity” and were not a sufficient enough response to Syrian President Bashar Assad, during an interview Monday with “The Hugh Hewitt Show.”

“Didn’t lay a glove on Assad’s capabilities to wage war. We’re becoming the chemical weapons police.

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Sir Smoke aLot
5 hours ago, pallidin said:

The fact IS, Assad, once again, used banned chemical weapons.

Yeah and inspectors still refuse to check out the site in Duma.

Why did they come i wonder.

There was never the evidence for those claims :) and instead of making one (which they know they can't) they just postpone the investigation until some new lie takes it over. Maybe full scale war against Syria will be a thing before this investigation.

 Look what happen with ''Novichok'', it seems it wasn't Russian made thingy at all and actually is different type, made elsewhere. So many lies around.

What i feel generally is that if governments (and security forces, police, media accordingly) lose trust of the people that could turn into bloodbath around the world because any lunatic will be able to promote their news and people will doubt everything. Where there is doubt there is concern and when there is concern... Imagine.

Perfectly in line with theories like world government (bankers dream).

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stevewinn

Note how the inspectors were unable to access the site as they came under attack. The Russians must be still cleaning/planting evidence.

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crookedspiral
1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

Note how the inspectors were unable to access the site as they came under attack. The Russians must be still cleaning/planting evidence.

How convenient for our Western leaders.

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Farmer77
2 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Note how the inspectors were unable to access the site as they came under attack. The Russians must be still cleaning/planting evidence.

Or the US/Brits/French were. 

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Sir Smoke aLot

They know that there is no evidence. This is in line with what we hear from Syrian sources and from some journalists who told that there was no attack.

And i still haven't forgot this story about Omran and how white helmets played it out, abused him for the purpose of spreading lies about Syria.

Both of boys and their family is living under ''animal'' rule, they did not leave Syria nor did they leave government held areas. Omran is in Aleppo since it was liberated, so are over 700.000 Syrian refugees who have returned to free parts of Syria.

Notice, how in first video, little boy say how his mother told him that they have nothing to eat for the day. That is what militants do, deny population of every basic needs and try to impose terror rule. I just fear that Syria might be invaded by the west long before people open their eyes.

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stevewinn

is all this based on the findings of the UN-OPCW?

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is all this based on the findings of the UN-OPCW?

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crookedspiral
44 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

is all this based on the findings of the UN-OPCW?

It's journalistic work. Reports based on facts gathered on the ground in Syria.

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bmk1245
On 4/14/2018 at 1:19 PM, Phaeton80 said:


Without US corporate support Nazi Germany could not have done what it did. Case in point, Henry Ford received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle for his avid Nazi support for godsake.

Get a f*ing sense of history, nuance why not.

henry_ford_grand_cross_1938.jpg

 

Russia won us the second world war against the Nazi's, without her the outcome would have been highly questionable, dont get it twisted.

Heh, nice one. Did you forgot joint parade back in 1939, huh?

Armia_Czerwona,_Wehrmacht_22.09.1939_wsp

USSR would have been behind Ural and further, if not US landlease.

More to that, USSR had more than enough cannon fodder (literally) to throw against Germs.

What defeated Hitler, Napoleon is the wast territory. Period.

 

 

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stevewinn
On 19/04/2018 at 7:47 PM, Clockwork_Spirit said:

It's journalistic work. Reports based on facts gathered on the ground in Syria.

When did journalists become chemical weapons experts? 

and its only now 3 weeks after the event that the UN-experts are on their way to the scene.

 

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A rather obscure Bassoon
On 4/19/2018 at 11:08 AM, stevewinn said:

Note how the inspectors were unable to access the site as they came under attack. The Russians must be still cleaning/planting evidence.

Random gunfire constitutes an Attack, maybe it was the West planting evidence there are two sides to every coin.

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crookedspiral
5 hours ago, stevewinn said:

 

and its only now 3 weeks after the event that the UN-experts are on their way to the scene.

 

''They had been due to enter the town on Wednesday but the visit was delayed after a UN risk assessment team came under fire while checking the sites on Tuesday.

Western officials fear that evidence of the alleged double chemical attack may have been tampered with.

However, important traces of toxic chemicals would probably still be present in the environment and in the remains of victims, Alastair Hay, professor of environmental toxicology at the University of Leeds, told AFP news agency.

"Nerve agents like sarin can be present in the environment for many weeks after use and particularly if you look near the site where a weapon has exploded," he said.

"Autopsy samples, if available, will provide invaluable evidence and nerve agents can be found in many organs."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43850979

 

If there is evidence of a chemical attack , they will find them nonetheless.

 

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Phaeton80
6 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Heh, nice one. Did you forgot joint parade back in 1939, huh?

Armia_Czerwona,_Wehrmacht_22.09.1939_wsp

USSR would have been behind Ural and further, if not US landlease.

More to that, USSR had more than enough cannon fodder (literally) to throw against Germs.

What defeated Hitler, Napoleon is the wast territory. Period.


Yeah.. Did you 'forgot' what my post was a response to? Allow me to refresh your memory a wee bit..
 

On 14-4-2018 at 12:27 AM, bmk1245 said:

Yeah, Russkies (well, soviets) were best friends with nazi Germany back in 1939 when both were mauling Poland apart (mention this fact to Russian, and you will be called rusophobe, heh)  And USSR propaganda praised Germany as allies. Now, do you get the gist where I'm going to?


Lets not try and paint the Russians as some evil Nazi facilitators shall we? Especially coming from a US national.. Would be kinda nice to keep the hypocrisy levels within a range of measure, at least.
 

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No attack, no victims, no chem weapons: Douma witnesses speak at OPCW briefing at The Hague (VIDEO)

Witnesses of the alleged chemical attack in Douma, including 11-year-old Hassan Diab and hospital staff, told reporters at The Hague that the White Helmets video used as a pretext for a US-led strike on Syria was, in fact, staged.

[...]

The alleged chemical incident was only supported by the White Helmets’ video and social media reports from militant-linked groups, but the US, the UK and France judged they had enough evidence that it actually took place and launched a series of punitive strikes against Syria on April 14. The US and its allies accused Syrian President Bashar Assad of carrying out the “attack,” without providing any proof of their claim. Notably, the strike came hours before the OPCW fact-finding team was set to arrive in Douma to determine whether chemical weapons had been used there.

https://www.rt.com/news/425240-opcw-russia-syria-douma-witnesses/

See also: https://news.sky.com/story/russia-parades-syrian-witnesses-to-prove-what-really-happened-in-douma-11347684

I think we can say now that the whole story has been thoroughly debunked.

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DarkHunter
9 minutes ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

See also: https://news.sky.com/story/russia-parades-syrian-witnesses-to-prove-what-really-happened-in-douma-11347684

I think we can say now that the whole story has been thoroughly debunked.

So because Russia and Syria are able to parade 17 individuals who claim the attack didnt happen we should ignore the hundreds that said it did.  It's not like either of those countries have forced individuals to say what they wanted before.

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crookedspiral
18 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

So because Russia and Syria are able to parade 17 individuals who claim the attack didnt happen we should ignore the hundreds that said it did.  It's not like either of those countries have forced individuals to say what they wanted before.

Considering the fact that the West has not been able to provide a shred of evidence, I am inclined to believe that Russia has a strong case.

They actually have real witnesses and medical staff willing to appear at the OPCW, had a real expert team investigating in Douma.

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DarkHunter
41 minutes ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

Considering the fact that the West has not been able to provide a shred of evidence, I am inclined to believe that Russia has a strong case.

They actually have real witnesses and medical staff willing to appear at the OPCW, had a real expert team investigating in Douma.

The OPCW is still conducting their search so no need to conclude everything is fake yet.  Evidence has been provided, medical samples were smuggled out, but all evidence that proves a chemical weapon attack took place you wave off as western propaganda or a false flag attack while believing every single word that comes out of Russia and Syria.

With that mind set there is absolutely zero proof that would convince you that Assad has, did, and probably will in the future used chemical weapons short of you being in Syria and experiencing there effect first hand.

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crookedspiral
18 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Evidence has been provided, medical samples were smuggled out,

The claim that they have samples was made by two unnamed U.S officials who are not 100% sure about the intelligence. The source of the ''evidence'' is a major issue. We have no way to know where it comes from, how it was obtained and it's most likely that it was completely fabricated.

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