Chemical experts to inspect attack site

[bmk1245]

On 4/14/2018 at 1:19 PM, Phaeton80 said:

Without US corporate support Nazi Germany could not have done what it did. Case in point, Henry Ford received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle for his avid Nazi support for godsake.

Get a f*ing sense of history, nuance why not.

 

Russia won us the second world war against the Nazi's, without her the outcome would have been highly questionable, dont get it twisted.

Heh, nice one. Did you forgot joint parade back in 1939, huh?

USSR would have been behind Ural and further, if not US landlease.

More to that, USSR had more than enough cannon fodder (literally) to throw against Germs.

What defeated Hitler, Napoleon is the wast territory. Period.

 

 

Edited April 21, 2018 by bmk1245

[stevewinn]

On 19/04/2018 at 7:47 PM, Clockwork_Spirit said:

It's journalistic work. Reports based on facts gathered on the ground in Syria.

When did journalists become chemical weapons experts? 

and its only now 3 weeks after the event that the UN-experts are on their way to the scene.

 

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

On 4/19/2018 at 11:08 AM, stevewinn said:

Note how the inspectors were unable to access the site as they came under attack. The Russians must be still cleaning/planting evidence.

Random gunfire constitutes an Attack, maybe it was the West planting evidence there are two sides to every coin.

[Only_]

5 hours ago, stevewinn said:

 

and its only now 3 weeks after the event that the UN-experts are on their way to the scene.

 

''They had been due to enter the town on Wednesday but the visit was delayed after a UN risk assessment team came under fire while checking the sites on Tuesday.

Western officials fear that evidence of the alleged double chemical attack may have been tampered with.

However, important traces of toxic chemicals would probably still be present in the environment and in the remains of victims, Alastair Hay, professor of environmental toxicology at the University of Leeds, told AFP news agency.

"Nerve agents like sarin can be present in the environment for many weeks after use and particularly if you look near the site where a weapon has exploded," he said.

"Autopsy samples, if available, will provide invaluable evidence and nerve agents can be found in many organs."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43850979

 

If there is evidence of a chemical attack , they will find them nonetheless.

 

Edited April 21, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit

[Phaeton80]

6 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Heh, nice one. Did you forgot joint parade back in 1939, huh?

USSR would have been behind Ural and further, if not US landlease.

More to that, USSR had more than enough cannon fodder (literally) to throw against Germs.

What defeated Hitler, Napoleon is the wast territory. Period.

Yeah.. Did you 'forgot' what my post was a response to? Allow me to refresh your memory a wee bit..
 

On 14-4-2018 at 12:27 AM, bmk1245 said:

Yeah, Russkies (well, soviets) were best friends with nazi Germany back in 1939 when both were mauling Poland apart (mention this fact to Russian, and you will be called rusophobe, heh)  And USSR propaganda praised Germany as allies. Now, do you get the gist where I'm going to?

Lets not try and paint the Russians as some evil Nazi facilitators shall we? Especially coming from a US national.. Would be kinda nice to keep the hypocrisy levels within a range of measure, at least.
 

[Only_]

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No attack, no victims, no chem weapons: Douma witnesses speak at OPCW briefing at The Hague (VIDEO)

Witnesses of the alleged chemical attack in Douma, including 11-year-old Hassan Diab and hospital staff, told reporters at The Hague that the White Helmets video used as a pretext for a US-led strike on Syria was, in fact, staged.

[...]

The alleged chemical incident was only supported by the White Helmets’ video and social media reports from militant-linked groups, but the US, the UK and France judged they had enough evidence that it actually took place and launched a series of punitive strikes against Syria on April 14. The US and its allies accused Syrian President Bashar Assad of carrying out the “attack,” without providing any proof of their claim. Notably, the strike came hours before the OPCW fact-finding team was set to arrive in Douma to determine whether chemical weapons had been used there.

https://www.rt.com/news/425240-opcw-russia-syria-douma-witnesses/

See also: https://news.sky.com/story/russia-parades-syrian-witnesses-to-prove-what-really-happened-in-douma-11347684

I think we can say now that the whole story has been thoroughly debunked.

Edited April 27, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit

[DarkHunter]

9 minutes ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

See also: https://news.sky.com/story/russia-parades-syrian-witnesses-to-prove-what-really-happened-in-douma-11347684

I think we can say now that the whole story has been thoroughly debunked.

So because Russia and Syria are able to parade 17 individuals who claim the attack didnt happen we should ignore the hundreds that said it did.  It's not like either of those countries have forced individuals to say what they wanted before.

[Only_]

18 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

So because Russia and Syria are able to parade 17 individuals who claim the attack didnt happen we should ignore the hundreds that said it did.  It's not like either of those countries have forced individuals to say what they wanted before.

Considering the fact that the West has not been able to provide a shred of evidence, I am inclined to believe that Russia has a strong case.

They actually have real witnesses and medical staff willing to appear at the OPCW, had a real expert team investigating in Douma.

Edited April 27, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit

[DarkHunter]

41 minutes ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

Considering the fact that the West has not been able to provide a shred of evidence, I am inclined to believe that Russia has a strong case.

They actually have real witnesses and medical staff willing to appear at the OPCW, had a real expert team investigating in Douma.

The OPCW is still conducting their search so no need to conclude everything is fake yet.  Evidence has been provided, medical samples were smuggled out, but all evidence that proves a chemical weapon attack took place you wave off as western propaganda or a false flag attack while believing every single word that comes out of Russia and Syria.

With that mind set there is absolutely zero proof that would convince you that Assad has, did, and probably will in the future used chemical weapons short of you being in Syria and experiencing there effect first hand.

[Only_]

18 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Evidence has been provided, medical samples were smuggled out,

The claim that they have samples was made by two unnamed U.S officials who are not 100% sure about the intelligence. The source of the ''evidence'' is a major issue. We have no way to know where it comes from, how it was obtained and it's most likely that it was completely fabricated.

Edited April 27, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit

[Phaeton80]

7 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

So because Russia and Syria are able to parade 17 individuals who claim the attack didnt happen we should ignore the hundreds that said it did.  It's not like either of those countries have forced individuals to say what they wanted before.

Painting these individuals as some random set of witnesses is a bit misrepresenting the actual situation, wouldnt you say?

The main poster child, 'victim' of the supposed chemical attack was amongst them..

The simple fact the main Western players were absent in every shape, way or form.. with the resp media outlets even passionately trying to illegitimize the use of these witnesses as some grotesque masquerade - never really interested in any factfinding, hearing these people, or checking if this boy has indeed been exposed to chemical agents.. Only smears, vicerol and agressive denounciation. The behaviour of a liar pushed in a corner, it seems to me.

All this feigned disgust about a boy being ushered into the media limelight, while we ourselves have supported the moderate rebels, foreign mercenary terrorist gangs waging war against Assad the past 7 years.. countless children dead, exponentially more innocent civilians..  While sending high military grade missiles into civilian area's - against a government thats been fighting ISIS and other barbaric foreign supported terrorists destroying that nation and those who live in it - based on precisely zero evidence of WMD use.. After we have left a path of absolute chaos and destruction throughout the whole of the ME area.

Hypocritical? Not at all, not at all. That poor boy being dragged around Europe by those nasty, evil Russians, thats what we should be disgusted about! The things they do to further their deceptive propaganda.. Nautiating. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by Phaeton80

[Phaeton80]

Relatively old news, but absolutely hilarious..
 

Another one of those vile 'Russian Bots' live from one of St. Petersburg's 'troll factories', dishing out 'anti British' tweets by the truckloads.

Seriously, what caricature of reality have we been thrown into? This is beyond imagination, comprehension. The state of the media, 'free press', is such that it is posing an existential threat to the Western as well as global population. A farce in the most extreme meaning of the word. Un be lieve a ble, unbelievable.
 

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..The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources where focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections." — Author Unknown

Judge Hank "The Hangman" BMW: Now prosecutor, why you think he done it? Prosecutor: 'Kay. Number one your honor, just look at him. And B, we've got all this, like, evidence, of how, like, this guy didn't even pay at the hospital. And I heard that he doesn't even have his tattoo. [crowd boos] Prosecutor: I know! And I'm all, 'you've gotta be ****tin' me!' But check this out man, judge should be like [bangs fist on table] Prosecutor: 'guilty!' Peace.

 

[Mr.United_Nations]

The Russian media is even worse, comedy gold 

[Only_]

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Chemical watchdog looks to exhume bodies in Douma probe

''Chemical weapons inspectors are reportedly preparing to exhume bodies as part of their investigation into the suspected attacks on the Syrian town of Douma last month.

Ahmet Uzumcu, head of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), told the Financial Times on Thursday that the organisation is taking the unprecedented measure as it conducts the "very sensitive" investigation.

“From the bodies already buried we are looking for ways to exhume if possible and take some biomedical samples,” Uzumcu was quoted as saying.''

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/opcw-exhuming-bodies-douma-chemical-weapons-attack-1192249128

This will provide irrefutable proof one way or the other. The claim that ''Russia has tampered with the evidence'' wouldn't hold water here.

Edited May 3, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit

[+and-then]

On 4/18/2018 at 7:26 AM, Sir Smoke aLot said:

Yeah and inspectors still refuse to check out the site in Duma.

They've been told that their safety cannot be guaranteed.  Do you actually believe that the Russians cannot provide security for such a small, focused group of people?  They've been waiting for TWO WEEKS... I guess that sanitizing the area or creating a cover story with their own evidence is taking a bit longer than they expected.

[+and-then]

5 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

This will provide irrefutable proof one way or the other. The claim that ''Russia has tampered with the evidence'' wouldn't hold water here.

Islam doesn't allow this, so, very convenient attempt.  Also, the OPCW team got to Douma on April 15th.  Still waiting for the Russians to provide security for them to enter.  Care to explain why it's taking so long to secure a team THAT small?

[Only_]

6 hours ago, and then said:

Islam doesn't allow this, so, very convenient attempt.  Also, the OPCW team got to Douma on April 15th.  Still waiting for the Russians to provide security for them to enter.  Care to explain why it's taking so long to secure a team THAT small?

You're late in the game, the OPCW team has already visited 2 or 3 sites in Douma since last week. They are close to publishing a report.

Also, the request to exhume bodies was made by the OPCW director general, Ahmet Uzumku and not Russia or Syria.

Edited May 4, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

You're late in the game, the OPCW team has already visited 2 or 3 sites in Douma since last week. They are close to publishing a report.

Also, the request to exhume bodies was made by the OPCW director general, Ahmet Uzumku and not Russia or Syria.

Have they been exhumed?

[Only_]

45 minutes ago, and then said:

Have they been exhumed?

The requests have been made, looks like they are going to do it soon.

 

''But inspectors, in a bid to find further evidence of alleged chlorine and sarin use in the attack, which medics and rescuers say more than 40 people were killed, are now looking at "ways to exhume and take some biomedical samples," Uzumcu said.

"It is a very sensitive process. That's why they are very cautious. Although our experts have been able to attend some autopsies in the past, this is going to be the first time we have exhumed bodies," he told the paper.''

The Hague-based OPCW confirmed to AFP that inspectors are indeed looking to conduct autopsies on the bodies, adding that the fact-finding mission "is continuing to explore all avenues for collecting evidence".

Source: http://www.france24.com/en/20180503-opcw-experts-exhume-bodies-douma-attack-victims-report

 

Edited May 4, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit

[+and-then]

10 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

The requests have been made, looks like they are going to do it soon.

 

''But inspectors, in a bid to find further evidence of alleged chlorine and sarin use in the attack, which medics and rescuers say more than 40 people were killed, are now looking at "ways to exhume and take some biomedical samples," Uzumcu said.

"It is a very sensitive process. That's why they are very cautious. Although our experts have been able to attend some autopsies in the past, this is going to be the first time we have exhumed bodies," he told the paper.''

The Hague-based OPCW confirmed to AFP that inspectors are indeed looking to conduct autopsies on the bodies, adding that the fact-finding mission "is continuing to explore all avenues for collecting evidence".

Source: http://www.france24.com/en/20180503-opcw-experts-exhume-bodies-douma-attack-victims-report

 

It is my understanding that Islam strictly forbids such things so I will be greatly surprised if they allow these bodies to be exhumed.  I hope they will, so the truth can be established.  

[+and-then]

On 4/18/2018 at 2:20 AM, bee said:

Isn't that Lindsey Graham, John McCain's warmongering mate.... so maybe it's good news that he is unnerved... 
from the World Peace perspective..

Maybe... or maybe the old gorecrow just understands the explosion that's ahead if Israel is forced into a war alone against Iran/Hizballah and the Hamas.  THAT dust-up has the potential to draw Russia and the U.S. into direct conflict.  

[GlitterRose]

On 4/17/2018 at 1:52 PM, Captain Risky said:

its not defending a dictator but rather holding our democratic system and government to account. 

Except it's not. 

It's believing the propaganda machine of dictators over what people from your own democratic government are telling you.

And most people are doing this because they're addicted to propaganda and conspiracy porn. 

It validates every ugliness that they carry. 

It's a sickness. 

[Only_]

35 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

 

It's believing the propaganda machine of dictators over what people from your own democratic government are telling you.

And most people are doing this because they're addicted to propaganda and conspiracy porn. 

 

That's really burying your head in the sand though, closing your eyes on the real issue that our own governments have lied to us and used propaganda on many occasions when it suited their agenda. They lied about Iraq. They lied about Lybia. This isn't conspiracy. It's known facts of history. If you think that the word ''democratic'' before ''government'' makes our leaders the sole bearers of truth, you are sadly mistaken.

Edited May 5, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit

[GlitterRose]

3 minutes ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

That's really burying your head in the sand though, closing your eyes on the real issue that our own governements have lied to us, spread misinformation and used propaganda on many occasions when it suited their agenda. They lied about Iraq. They lied about Lybia This isn't conspiracy. It's known facts of history. If you think that word ''democratic'' before ''governement'' makes it the solde bearer of truth, you are sadly mistaken.

Our government's not perfect, but it's not a dictatorship, which it seems you would prefer.

People are sucking up propaganda and conspiracy porn and getting a rush off of it because it validates every ugliness they carry.

It's an evil sickness that is destroying the world, and anyone who embraces it is complicit in that. 

[Only_]

13 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

Our government's not perfect, but it's not a dictatorship, which it seems you would prefer.

People are sucking up propaganda and conspiracy porn and getting a rush off of it because it validates every ugliness they carry.

It's an evil sickness that is destroying the world, and anyone who embraces it is complicit in that. 

Seems like you are trying to paint anyone who challenge the MSM narrative on Syria under the name of ''conspirationist''. That's dishonest IMO. Especially when it can be proven with facts that the West have intervened/invaded countries in the Middle-East based on lies and fabrication.

Edited May 5, 2018 by Clockwork_Spirit