Trump: U.S., France and UK will strike Syria

[keithisco]

15 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

 

Get in your punishment first before anyone has had a chance to, for example, worry about tedious details like whether or not the accused actually did it, you mean?

No...as I said, strategic opportunity is time limited, Military response, and particularly very limited responses cannot be hindered by endless Parliamentary discourse which would only play into the hands of the putative perpetrator to move any equipments that may be utilised in preparing chemical agents. The UK had 4 Tornado's in operation armed with Stormshadow Cruise missiles that have proven their ability for precision - hardly a major incursion, but a strong warning. 

[acute]

I can't help thinking there's something a bit fishy about all this, especially the timing.

I haven't seen varied news coverage of the Douma attack. Have any victims been interviewed or tested? (I'm asking, not being rhetorical)

Edited April 14, 2018 by acute

[Space Commander Travis]

 

4 minutes ago, keithisco said:

No...as I said, strategic opportunity is time limited, Military response, and particularly very limited responses cannot be hindered by endless Parliamentary discourse which would only play into the hands of the putative perpetrator to move any equipments that may be utilised in preparing chemical agents. The UK had 4 Tornado's in operation armed with Stormshadow Cruise missiles that have proven their ability for precision - hardly a major incursion, but a strong warning. 

Military opportunity, in other words a political gesture to satisfy the neocons (whoever would have thought that one day, a gentleman by the name of "Mad Dog" would be the most pacifistic senior figure in a government?), and distract media attention from the never-ending Mueller Inquiry and whatever it may have most recently uncovered that might be a little uncomfortably close to home. And exactly the same applies, most conveniently, to our own dear Prime Minister May, of course. How prominently has the word Brexit featured in headlines lately? 

 

Stormshadow! Full marks for whichever reader of Marvel came up with that name!

[Space Commander Travis]

8 minutes ago, keithisco said:

No...as I said, strategic opportunity is time limited, Military response, and particularly very limited responses cannot be hindered by endless Parliamentary discourse which would only play into the hands of the putative perpetrator to move any equipments that may be utilised in preparing chemical agents. The UK had 4 Tornado's in operation armed with Stormshadow Cruise missiles that have proven their ability for precision - hardly a major incursion, but a strong warning. 

How much do these Stormshadow devices cost? Can we expect the NHS/police/education/whatever budgets to be raided to pay for the no doubt several billion pound cost? Since the MOD, as we all know, hardly has the budget to purchase enough Lee Enfield .303 rifles to equip a Home Guard platoon these days.

[keithisco]

2 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

How much do these Stormshadow devices cost? Can we expect the NHS/police/education/whatever budgets to be raided to pay for the no doubt several billion pound cost? Since the MOD, as we all know, hardly has the budget to purchase enough Lee Enfield .303 rifles to equip a Home Guard platoon these days.

Hardly "several billion pound cost"- Stormshadow unit cost is c2.3 million pounds. 

[Phaeton80]

Lets actually hear from The Beast himself for a change shall we.. I mean we know what the man looks like, have seen him drive through Damascus, but we never really hear him speak about the situation via the usual channels. Has anyone noticed everytime we are massaged to regard some new head of state as 'Evil killer of his own people', 'needing humanitarian military intervention' (yes thats right, humanitarian military intervention) they are structurally barred from public view, never entered into discourse with, never allowed to respond to accusations in the MSM? Its an older interview, but still paints a good picture of Assad's position in all this.
 

 

The sheer evil in this man's Beast's eyes is evident, he's obviously lying through his teeth. Put him next to Trump, and youll see the contrast between 'a good honest leader', and a 'bad deceptive leader'. When the Syrian People finally get their 'democracy', I hope theyll be as wise as the US population and elect someone alike Trump, finally allowing themselves a good, honest, strong POTUS.

..Meanwhile, in Yemen..

Edited April 14, 2018 by Phaeton80

[+Hammerclaw]

This isn't anything as trivial as spanking Assad, the real puppet in all of this. A major nuclear power who has had the propensity, of late, of waving their nuclear phallus in the faces of anyone objecting to their conventional military adventurism, has just had three nuclear phalluses waved in theirs. Putin has just had the unpleasant experience of having his hardball diplomacy batted back into his face. The game's on, boys. The power which facilitated the merciless pounding of Aleppo into dust with their "humanitarian" military intervention, just received a distasteful dose of their own medicine. Limited Russian Countermeasures Overwhelmed by Massive Allied Barrage is the real headline.

[Black Monk]

Trump is turning out to be a great president and May into a good Prime Minister. America, Britain and France are showing the world that they will not tolerate chemical attacks on innocent civilians and have taken the necessary action to destroy Assad's chemical weapons facilities. Obama was ineffective and useless on the world stage after promising to deliver. He delivered nothing. Trump - along with May and Macron - is getting the job done.

Edited April 14, 2018 by Black Monk

[Phaeton80]

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“That’s not the way the world really works anymore. We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.

And while you’re studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out.

We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

- Karl Rove, Deputy Chief of Staff in the Government of George W. Bush.

 

I do wish people would study Rove’s words more carefully. Judiciously study them. If they did, then whenever the next alleged atrocity occurs and the United States, together with its coalition of supine vassals, starts yelling and hollering 10 minutes later for action to be taken, on the basis of a test-tube full of washing powder, or pictures of injured women and children in a war zone, and the entire media of dutiful stenographers shrieks that “something must be done”, then perhaps we might pause and wonder if we are being played. Instead of falling into an emotional spasm, maybe we would instead reject the deafening drumbeats of war – wars that have a habit of killing immeasurably more women and children than the alleged incidents on which they are based, by the way — and ask ourselves whether “Rove’s Law” has come into play.
 

[Phaeton80]

5 minutes ago, Black Monk said:

Trump is turning out to be a great president and May into a good Prime Minister. America, Britain and France are showing the world that they will not tolerate chemical attacks on innocent civilians and have taken the necessary action to destroy Assad's chemical weapons facilities. Obama was ineffective and useless on the world stage after promising to deliver. He delivered nothing. Trump - along with May and Macron - is getting the job done.

Are you somehow cummunicating with us from another dimension?

Mind.. Blown.

[Black Monk]

2 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

Are you somehow cummunicating with us from another dimension?

Mind.. Blown.

I'm communicating to you from the dimension of logic and commonsense.

[preacherman76]

11 hours ago, Lilly said:

Of course I don’t. However, Great Britain, France and the United States obviously had sufficient intelligence to come together and mount a strike against Assad.

They had sufficient something. I highly doubt it was intelligence though. Especially considering they vetoed a push for an investigation.

[keithisco]

1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

They had sufficient something. I highly doubt it was intelligence though. Especially considering they vetoed a push for an investigation.

There is no Veto mechanism at the OPCW  Source:

Edited April 14, 2018 by keithisco
Added source

[Black Monk]

5 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

How much do these Stormshadow devices cost? Can we expect the NHS/police/education/whatever budgets to be raided to pay for the no doubt several billion pound cost? Since the MOD, as we all know, hardly has the budget to purchase enough Lee Enfield .303 rifles to equip a Home Guard platoon these days.

Britain has the fourth largest military budget on Earth.

[stevewinn]

Bold decision by the British Prime Minister by committing RAF Tornadoes. okay stand off range for the cruise missile is 300 miles but actually putting Lives on the line in their delivery. Well done to the professionalism of the RAF, got them out and back in again.

[GlitterRose]

9 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

 

Clockwork...

your "sources" suck. 

[GlitterRose]

12 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

yeah I've seen the footage. horrific! the whole war is horrific. really that could have been anyone or anything. i see dead people and destruction not proof. you know we're all so obsessed with chemical weapons but what exactly is the end game here? Assad is still alive. Russia is still in control. Iran isn't going anywhere. Turkey is still fighting the Kurds and ISIS still hasn't been destroyed. the war is still being won by Assad. 

the war continues. 

 

Come on. 

“Let’s be clear: Assad’s most recent use of poison gas against the people of Douma was not his first, second, third, or even 49th use of chemical weapons,” Ms. Haley said. “The United States estimates that Assad has used chemical weapons in the Syrian war at least 50 times. Public estimates are as high as 200.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/world/middleeast/un-syria-haley-chemical-weapons.html

I'll agree that it's way too little, too late. But don't act like we don't know he's using chemical weapons over there. 

It's great to want to get rid of ISIS, but that's hardly been his only goal. He has wanted to get rid of anyone who wanted a free and fair election. He's burning down the whole country and it has created a humanitarian crisis that the rest of the world has had to deal with. 

**** that guy. 

Hopefully, he experiences at least some hardship from these strikes. 

[Gromdor]

Doesn't sound like there were many casualties and they are saying most of the targets were evacuated in advance.

[GlitterRose]

3 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Doesn't sound like there were many casualties and they are saying most of the targets were evacuated in advance.

Well, they sure had plenty of notice.

From President Texas Hold 'em.

Edited April 14, 2018 by ChaosRose

[preacherman76]

38 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

Come on. 

“Let’s be clear: Assad’s most recent use of poison gas against the people of Douma was not his first, second, third, or even 49th use of chemical weapons,” Ms. Haley said. “The United States estimates that Assad has used chemical weapons in the Syrian war at least 50 times. Public estimates are as high as 200.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/world/middleeast/un-syria-haley-chemical-weapons.html

I'll agree that it's way too little, too late. But don't act like we don't know he's using chemical weapons over there. 

It's great to want to get rid of ISIS, but that's hardly been his only goal. He has wanted to get rid of anyone who wanted a free and fair election. He's burning down the whole country and it has created a humanitarian crisis that the rest of the world has had to deal with. 

**** that guy. 

Hopefully, he experiences at least some hardship from these strikes. 

Or maybe we have just been told that so we blindly foolishly support yet another disastrous war. 

Edited April 14, 2018 by preacherman76

[GlitterRose]

3 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Or maybe we have just been told that so we blindly foolishly support yet another disastrous war. 

It's not like there's no evidence. You could easily find out how much there has been.

Information about the investigations is at your fingertips.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

[GlitterRose]

And there's also the whole...literally having video of incidents that you're somehow discrediting. 

Because Assad is so believable. 

[preacherman76]

Just now, ChaosRose said:

It's not like there's no evidence. You could easily find out how much there has been.

Information about the investigations is at your fingertips.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Yes there is plenty to read. Same could be said for every other war that was created by false pretext. 

Sorry but it just make zero and mean ZERO sense that Assad did this. 

[GlitterRose]

I think the issue with people who are defending Assad is that they just don't care because these are Syrians, and most likely Muslims. 

There's also an ensuing mass exodus, though, and they don't want any refugees, so...maybe thwacking Assad's fingers once in a while isn't that bad of an idea. 

 

[preacherman76]

2 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

And there's also the whole...literally having video of incidents that you're somehow discrediting. 

Because Assad is so believable. 

It’s not about being believable. It’s about common sense. Assad’s enemy’s had far more to gain staging this event than Assad has. Heck Assad only had things to lose.