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Phaeton80
10 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

That's just silly :P 


Erm no, it really isnt. Im not joking here, deadly serious. The continuous support / roofgardening of crimes against humanity when perpetrated by 'his side' while screaming 'Terror!' when it isnt, the incessant warmongering, toxic bias against non- Western nations, unrelenting blind support of the Zionist Israeli State, its sickening. Truely truely sickening. Especially coming from someone who regards himself a Christian.

In contrast to the aformentioned, this is an opinion, my opinion.

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RavenHawk
50 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:


Erm no, it really isnt. Im not joking here, deadly serious. The continuous support / roofgardening of crimes against humanity when perpetrated by 'his side' while screaming 'Terror!' when it isnt, the incessant warmongering, toxic bias against non- Western nations, unrelenting blind support of the Zionist Israeli State, its sickening. Truely truely sickening. Especially coming from someone who regards himself a Christian.

In contrast to the aformentioned, this is an opinion, my opinion.

One man’s garbage is another man’s treasure.  You do realize that you are doing the exact same thing you accuse him of…  But it’s a bit more than that.  You do realize that the West is forced to respond to terrorist activities?  The West is far from being the perpetrator.  To ignore that is sickening.

You just don’t like Jews much.  That’s fine.  Everybody is entitled to their opinion.  In history, many nations exist because they perhaps acquired land via conquest (for any number of reasons).  It’s no different in your neck of the woods:

So your blind hate can’t be from history.  What could it be?  The way you try to use the word “Zionist” as if it was a derogatory word is very revealing.  It is quite humorous.  But what is truly sickening is your toxic bias against your own people.  Totally clueless.

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RoofGardener
11 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:


Erm no, it really isnt. Im not joking here, deadly serious. The continuous support / roofgardening of crimes against humanity when perpetrated by 'his side' while screaming 'Terror!' when it isnt, the incessant warmongering, toxic bias against non- Western nations, unrelenting blind support of the Zionist Israeli State, its sickening. Truely truely sickening. Especially coming from someone who regards himself a Christian.

In contrast to the aformentioned, this is an opinion, my opinion.

Oh yes it is :P 

... in my opinion :D 

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Phaeton80
14 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

One man’s garbage is another man’s treasure.  You do realize that you are doing the exact same thing you accuse him of…  But it’s a bit more than that.  You do realize that the West is forced to respond to terrorist activities?  The West is far from being the perpetrator.  To ignore that is sickening.

Examples, please. Where did I ever defend crimes against humanity, any wars?

And the statement 'the West is far from being the perpetrator' only confirms my earlier comment. Completely deny our own crimes, yet scream bloody murder about those committed by 'not the West'.

You just don’t like Jews much.  That’s fine.  Everybody is entitled to their opinion.  In history, many nations exist because they perhaps acquired land via conquest (for any number of reasons).  It’s no different in your neck of the woods:

Another confirmation of what I stated earlier; being continuous strawmans, disingenuous extremizations of my position. I take issue with the Zionist Israeli government and their ilk, certainly not the Jewish People as a whole. Disgusting, tendentious insinuation.

So your blind hate can’t be from history.  What could it be?  The way you try to use the word “Zionist” as if it was a derogatory word is very revealing.  It is quite humorous.  But what is truly sickening is your toxic bias against your own people.  Totally clueless.

And another confirmation; me pointing out the blind support of the Israeli state of certain individuals, which is in fact objectively true.. there is literally an unconditional support for this political entity - everone on this site who doest have a dog in this race can attest to that - incites the reaction of me having blind hate towards thesame.. The extremized complete opposite of the Zionist position. What a surprise, wunderbar! Also, me pointing out the raging double measures wielded by thesame, incites the reaction Im actually employing 'a toxic bias against my own people'. Absolutely priceless.

If I were a Jew you would no doubt call me a self hating, anti Semetic Jew. :D  Lastly; I use the word Zionist as I use the word Nazi, so yes; some derogatory coloring is certainly in effect. And rightly so; both are ultra nationalistic, supremacist, racist. And both invoke crimes against humanity because of its attributes. That is ofcourse, if you are not conditioned to support one of both unconditionally.


I couldnt have asked for a better confirmation of my earlier content, thank you sir.

 

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RavenHawk
9 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

Examples, please. Where did I ever defend crimes against humanity, any wars?

Oh, please…  It’s getting old with you hiding behind excuses.  Pulling out Godwin’s law, how many crimes against humanity did Hitler commit prior to 1938?  It’s not so much of what they have done as opposed to how they are setting themselves up for the future.  Up until now it has all been low level, everything from the death of Neda to Americans being detained to supporting terrorist insurgents in at least five other locales beyond their borders.  But even the stance that Sharia law is far superior to Man’s law.  When it comes to dictators, they will tell you what they intend (if you listen to them) and they will carry it out.  That’s what Obama was doing.  Time will tell as to what the damage he did to this country is.

 

And the statement 'the West is far from being the perpetrator' only confirms my earlier comment. Completely deny our own crimes, yet scream bloody murder about those committed by 'not the West'.

It confirms only your delusions.  Islam drew first blood against the Byzantine in the east and the Visigoths in the west.  No one is denying “our own” crimes.  My clip doesn’t seem to have sunk in?  Did you mull over the implications?  Probably not.  It is just too deep for you.  This world is driven by crimes or more likely, how we react to those crimes.  I’m guessing that you’re just trying to make an equivalency between apples and oranges?  You know that never works.  Israel is engaged in self-defense if not the right to exist.  Iran has a plan to dominate and perhaps establish a Shia Caliphate of which would be the Mahdi.  I don’t think you really understand that you really don’t want that.  Iran is currently operating in five different countries to consolidate its position.  This usually precedes further conquest.

 

Another confirmation of what I stated earlier; being continuous strawmans, disingenuous extremizations of my position. I take issue with the Zionist Israeli government and their ilk, certainly not the Jewish People as a whole. Disgusting, tendentious insinuation.

Zionism is just the Israeli Manifest Destiny.  There is no separation between Zionism and the Jewish people or the Jewish homeland.  They are one in the same.  You keep repeating that people have “disingenuous extremizations” on your position.  Perhaps it’s the way you express yourself??  If everybody that counters what you say, it’s either that you don’t make your point clear, or you do.  I think you do.  I’ve never seen anything but hatred coming from you.

 

And another confirmation; me pointing out the blind support of the Israeli state of certain individuals, which is in fact objectively true.. there is literally an unconditional support for this political entity - everone on this site who doest have a dog in this race can attest to that - incites the reaction of me having blind hate towards thesame.. The extremized complete opposite of the Zionist position. What a surprise, wunderbar! Also, me pointing out the raging double measures wielded by thesame, incites the reaction Im actually employing 'a toxic bias against my own people'. Absolutely priceless.

Everyone has a dog in this race.  You either hate Jews or you don’t.  There is no third position.  This is what makes this a hot topic.  But again, you failed to understand the meaning behind my clip.  What’s going on in Palestine is no different than what has happened any place else in history.  You have winners and losers.  With 7 billion people on this planet, there is no way you can make every person happy.  Am I right or wrong?  Blind support are those that support the Palestinian/Muslim position.  Islam is intolerant and greedy.  It insists that only Muslims are happy.  Zionism is far more tolerant (as is anything else).  I don’t suppose you know the parable of the Tortoise and the Scorpion (there are variations)?  Islam has a certain nature and Israel has learned how to deal with it and survive.  That is worth admiration, not blind support.  Without Zionism, Jews would go back to the way it used to be since the post Roman era.  That makes the self-inflicted plight of the Palestinians look like a banquet.

 

If I were a Jew you would no doubt call me a self hating, anti Semetic Jew.   Lastly; I use the word Zionist as I use the word Nazi, so yes; some derogatory coloring is certainly in effect. And rightly so; both are ultra nationalistic, supremacist, racist. And both invoke crimes against humanity because of its attributes. That is ofcourse, if you are not conditioned to support one of both unconditionally.

There are always some that are.  Why should you be any different?  No, both are not.  Zionism is definitely nationalistic as any group is, but that is good.  Islam is supremacist and racist.  It has more in common with Nazism, Authoritarianism or Totalitarianism, or Socialism, or Progressivism.  


I couldnt have asked for a better confirmation of my earlier content, thank you sir.

Your fixation on “confirmation” seems to be a figment of your imagination.  I’d say that by your own actions, you have proved to be an anti-Semite but that would have no meaning to you.  So all I can say is that your selective hatred is typical.  It blinds you to reality.

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Phaeton80

Well met sir, well met. Completely in line with the pattern you have exemplified thusfar.

Youll excuse me not spending any energy on that exceptionalist, self excusing drivel, Im quite sure.

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Ogbin
On 5/21/2018 at 10:38 AM, RavenHawk said:

I’m one of those that don’t believe that Russia is part of Magog, although if the Hijrah effectively takes over, I guess it could be??  But as is, Magog is strictly the Muslim nations surrounding Israel.  “Rosh” is not a reference to Russia (perhaps the Muslim ‘Stans between Turkey and Persia). 

We know that Magog can't be Turkey as some would like to believe. Turkey is modern day Togarmah, which is named as an ally of Magog. 

The Place of Magog

People of Magog or the Magogites were said to be a “great and powerful” nation that lived in “extreme recesses of the north”. Historians stated that the people of Magog were with the “Greeks called Scythians”. The Scythian dwelt in the north of Black Sea and of Caucasus Mountains, in the area now belonged to Russia.

Magogites were forced out from Anatolia in 584 BC and went back to the North of Caucasus. But while in the Middle East, they moved towards the central Asia, to the land of the ancient Mongols, Mongolia. The term Mongol is thought to have derived from the name Magog.

Syrians declared Magog as another term referring Asiatic Turkey while the Arabians connected it to an area in the middle of Caspian and Euxine.

And where are the Magogites nowadays? It is said they ended up in southern Russia.  Scythians are a large percentage of the population in Russia today.

https://amazingbibletimeline.com/blog/magog/

On 5/21/2018 at 10:38 AM, RavenHawk said:

Russia’s main concern is Tartus and oil/gas pipelines.

This is as we see in Ezekiel. Russia is only interested in material gain.

On 5/21/2018 at 10:38 AM, RavenHawk said:

The alliance between Russia and Iran is practical, it is not ideological.

For Russia it is practical, but for Iran it is certainly ideological.

On 5/21/2018 at 10:38 AM, RavenHawk said:

I don’t think Russia would want Israel’s destruction.

I don't put anything past a nation who's goal is to expand their borders. Even if this means taking by force, Crimea for example.

On 5/21/2018 at 10:38 AM, RavenHawk said:

Russia just doesn’t understand the Muslim desire to wipe out Israel and therefore, doesn’t care.

I believe that Russia does understand this. Most of the world understands this. This is why Russia will Have all the nations(Which are Muslim except the land of Gomer) written of in Ezekiel as allies. Russia(IMO) will be using them for nothing but an extremely large army to deter other nations from getting involved.

 So what we are seeing today(IMO) is the beginning of what will soon be. A stage is being built for a play that is about to begin.

 

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RavenHawk
On 5/23/2018 at 11:55 AM, Ogbin said:

We know that Magog can't be Turkey as some would like to believe. Turkey is modern day Togarmah, which is named as an ally of Magog. 

The Place of Magog

People of Magog or the Magogites were said to be a “great and powerful” nation that lived in “extreme recesses of the north”. Historians stated that the people of Magog were with the “Greeks called Scythians”. The Scythian dwelt in the north of Black Sea and of Caucasus Mountains, in the area now belonged to Russia.

Magogites were forced out from Anatolia in 584 BC and went back to the North of Caucasus. But while in the Middle East, they moved towards the central Asia, to the land of the ancient Mongols, Mongolia. The term Mongol is thought to have derived from the name Magog.

Syrians declared Magog as another term referring Asiatic Turkey while the Arabians connected it to an area in the middle of Caspian and Euxine.

And where are the Magogites nowadays? It is said they ended up in southern Russia.  Scythians are a large percentage of the population in Russia today.

https://amazingbibletimeline.com/blog/magog/

I know where you are coming from but I have to disagree.  For as long as I can remember, having Russia as Magog has never made sense to me.  I intuitively understood it to be wrong, but I lacked the understanding to clearly express it.  Joel Richardson provides that understanding.  I think he is perhaps one of the premier authorities on the anti-Christ and end-times.  It is absolutely amazing in that his explanation is what I knew intuitively.  I’m including three clips that debunk what you’ve presented.

Mideast Beast Book (part 2 of 4)

Gog of Magog Rising! (The Underground ep.40)

(part 1 of 2) Beginning in the later half.

(part 2 of 2)

 

This is as we see in Ezekiel. Russia is only interested in material gain.

And most nations are interested in material gain.  It’s when the material and the ideological combine as in the return of the Mahdi.

 

For Russia it is practical, but for Iran it is certainly ideological.

Correct.  Russia does not share Iran’s beliefs.

 

I don't put anything past a nation who's goal is to expand their borders. Even if this means taking by force, Crimea for example.

You have to consider the situation.  Why does Russia want Crimea?  It is the location of the naval base in Sevastopol.  The only home water port on the Mediterranean.  Tartus is another port.  They will do whatever is needed to maintain these two ports.  You can’t blame them for that and Israel does not threaten them.

I believe that Russia does understand this. Most of the world understands this. This is why Russia will Have all the nations(Which are Muslim except the land of Gomer) written of in Ezekiel as allies. Russia(IMO) will be using them for nothing but an extremely large army to deter other nations from getting involved.

No, the world does not understand this.  And neither do you by that statement.  Most non-Muslims don’t understand the Muslim mindset.  For most, it is limited in scope.  Either they know very hospitable Muslim individuals or know the atrocities viewed in the media, creating a situation where the observer incorrectly decides that one view is incorrect and the other authentic.  Not realizing that both encompass the full range of the mindset.  It will be Islam that drives this.  Granted, Russia could still be a part of it, but it will be in a minor roll.  The anti-Christ will be a Muslim or Muslim apologist.  And the Ummah will give them unending obedience.  This is why Russia cannot be Magog.

 

 So what we are seeing today(IMO) is the beginning of what will soon be. A stage is being built for a play that is about to begin.

I agree that we are seeing the beginning.  If there is activity on stage, it is because the stage crew is setting up the final touches and the actors have not yet appeared.

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