If God Exists, Where is He to be Found?

[Illyrius]

13 minutes ago, danydandan said:

Life is for living, it isn't a prison

Partially i agree. But i would rather take a Plato's stanpoint regarding the state of human consciousness and comparison to prison. We're just doing time

[danydandan]

Just now, Illyrius said:

Partially i agree. But i would rather take a Plato's stanpoint regarding the state of human consciousness and comparison to prison. We're just doing time

The whole prison thing to me seems like everyone is counting down their time here. But that to me seems very morbid.

I'd rather focus on living.

[Illyrius]

5 minutes ago, danydandan said:

The whole prison thing to me seems like everyone is counting down their time here. But that to me seems very morbid.

I'd rather focus on living.

Yes i understand. I would compare your feeling of morbiity towards this as my own feeling when i see people focusing on tortured god on a cross and suffering, pain, guilt and similar things. Kinda takes away the joy of living.

[danydandan]

3 minutes ago, Illyrius said:

Yes i understand. I would compare your feeling of morbiity towards this as my own feeling when i see people focusing on tortured god on a cross and suffering, pain, guilt and similar things. Kinda takes away the joy of living.

Yeah I agree.

My wife is an Evangelical Christian, I have been to a number of different masses in a number of different churchs. They never seem to focus on the death of Jesus too much. It's very different to the Catholic sermons I listened to growing up. Also there is a sense of community in the Evangelical Church, as in people don't just go to mass and then just go straight home. They stay for hours after just talking or having lunch, it's a refreshing take on Christianity. Although what used to happen in Catholic Ireland was people would go to mass at twelve, when the pubs open, then meet up in the pub after Mass and get p***ed drunk.

[Illyrius]

2 minutes ago, danydandan said:

Yeah I agree.

My wife is an Evangelical Christian, I have been to a number of different masses in a number of different churchs. They never seem to focus on the death of Jesus too much. It's very different to the Catholic sermons I listened to growing up. Also there is a sense of community in the Evangelical Church, as in people don't just go to mass and then just go straight home. They stay for hours after just talking or having lunch, it's a refreshing take on Christianity. Although what used to happen in Catholic Ireland was people would go to mass at twelve, when the pubs open, then meet up in the pub after Mass and get p***ed drunk.

No wonder, after a trip of fear guilt and all this cute stuff, it's reasonable to alleviate the shock and relax with a few liters of alcoholic beverages.

[Mr Walker]

11 hours ago, danydandan said:

I think the prevailing issue is if each persons experience is unique, logical would dictate that it's just in the individuals head. If multiple people had a shared experience then it might be tantamount to evidence.

 

All experience, other than those which ONLY occur in a persons mind have both an external and an internal reality. So no, logic and science tell us that every mind  interprets real experiences  and there is no need for witnesses, for an individual to know that their experience is real,  otherwise someone who lived alone could never be certain that anything was real. 

That is the nature of human self awareness  When you look at a woman you don't see just the physical woman nor do you see the same woman another is looking at.  You see a woman about whom a LOT of your perception is generated inside your head.

Its the same when you loo at anything  and even more so as more senses are involved in an experience So No two people can share the same experience although people can enter into or observe the same concrete environment. 

And yes, when a number of witnesses observe and report the same physical environment this helps establish that environment's reality, although to someone not there, it still is not proof or transferable evidence  . 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Mr Walker

[danydandan]

3 minutes ago, Illyrius said:

No wonder, after a trip of fear guilt and all this cute stuff, it's reasonable to alleviate the shock and relax with a few liters of alcoholic beverages.

I think it was more to do with meeting your friends rather than drinking the pain away so to speak. People went to church because it was a social expectation most people didn't listen to anything the priest said to be honest.

[Illyrius]

6 minutes ago, danydandan said:

I think it was more to do with meeting your friends rather than drinking the pain away so to speak. People went to church because it was a social expectation most people didn't listen to anything the priest said to be honest.

I see what you mean, same thing here. Christanity doesnt exist anymore, it is as you said only a matter of social expectation to attend the mass, and the priest is a kind of strange tv entertainer on a live show. All the gore of symbolism in a church could further stimulate social partying after the priest stand up comedy performance though. Dunno.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Illyrius

[danydandan]

5 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

All experience, other than those which ONLY occur in a persons mind have both an external and an internal reality. So no, logic and science tell us that every mind  interprets real experiences  and there is no need for witnesses, for an individual to know that their experience is real,  otherwise someone who lived alone could never be certain that anything was real. 

That is the nature of human self awareness  When you look at woman you don't see just the physical woman nor do you see the same woman another is looking at.  You see a woman about whom a LOT of your perception is generated inside your head.

Its the same when you loo at anything  and even more so as more senses are involved in an experience So No two people can share the same experience although people can enter into or observe the same concrete environment. 

And yes, when a number of witnesses observe and report the same physical environment this helps establish that environment's reality, although to someone not there, it still is not proof or transferable evidence  . 

I'm going to make a number of assumptions here. If God can communicate only through hallucinations or through your minds eye would it not be possible for it to convey the exact same experience to each person it communicates to?

If the entity you describe like God cured you from you addiction it can alter your brain matter. So why wouldn't the entity you ascribe to this not just alter everyone's brain matter so they literally share the exact same experiences?

[Mr Walker]

13 hours ago, I'mConvinced said:

Nope. Mr Walker himself will address this I'm sure. However I can give you a summary:

1. There are no pieces of physical evidence to show.

2. There are no others around willing or able to corroborate his story.

3. His wife doesn't believe in his alien.

4. God has physically visited him several times, in several different forms. These range from human to pillars of light.

5. God has cured him of a nicotine addiction. This was instantaneous.

6. God has saved his life, by personal intervention, on at least two occasions. Once from a bushfire and once from a heart attack.

7. He has travelled the universe with God and met alien spidermen fixing broken spaceships.

8. Need I really say more?

 

Actully moslty wrong 

1. There WERE many physical pieces of evidence to show, But as with any event these evidences do not last  (as evidences) and become meaningless as the context becomes older.

2. Almost every manifestation was witnessed by others, in one case twenty or thirty people That is one reason i can know that they were real. . There are many others willing and able to corroborate these events although some have died over time such as my parents.

 3. I think you misunderstood something  I said about my wife She has absolute and total faith/belief  in the existence of god, He is with her every minute of the day, but only in her mind   Thus she doesn't need to know him physically, but she can confirm, as a witness, many of these events  What she cannot witness is the dialogue between god and i, although i often relate it to her immediately it happens, as it is often important for BOTH of us to act quickly on gods instructions. 

 4 probably a dozen to 20 manifestations from  a couple of  full human forms,  through the  pillar of light, to difernt energy sources and voices,  physical warnings   etc.   At least 6 times my life has been saved by these drect warnings and guidance  and also my wife who was with me on several of them was saved.    Then a lot more lessons, mentoring, guidance, help, empowerment etc That is fairly constant 

5. Correct and told me he had done it as he did so. 

 6 Over my life time? at least  6 and up to 10 times, sometimes with more physical direct intervention and sometimes with a warning, so i could avoid  death  by taking evasive action  just before a nasty accident was about to happen 

7. That was not really god. it was before i realised this entity was what humans thought of as god. I was a young pre teenager and achieved gnosis or raised consciousness which gave me access to the cosmic or universal consciousness That gave me many abilities some of which i have used to help others and some which are just a lot of fun (like travelling the universe and observing other life forms  ) Now that one is unverifiable   for now   

And every one of those is true as far as i can understand it and explain it, so if you think i am lying or deluded, then you are missing out on a very important part of human reality.

Try accepting them as truth and think about just what that would mean .  

Edited April 24, 2018 by Mr Walker

[Illyrius]

4 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

7. That was not really god. it was before i realised this entity was what humans thought of as god I was a young teenager and achieved gnosis or raised consciousness which gave me access to the cosmic or universal consciousness That gave me many abilities some of which i have used to help others and some which are just a lot of fun (like travelling the universe and observing other life forms  ) Now that one is unverifiable   for now   

And after your absorbtion of gnosis you were able to see a spiderman repairing spaceships? That sounds bizzare.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Illyrius

[danydandan]

5 minutes ago, Illyrius said:

I see what you mean, same thing here. Christanity doesnt exist anymore, it is as you said only a matter of social expectation to attend the mass, and the priest is a kind of strange tv entertainer on a live show. All the gore of symbolism in a church could further stimulate social partying after the priest stand up comedy performance though. Dunno.

Absolutely, maybe it exists somewhere but not really here in Ireland until it suits people.

Like Confirmations and Holy Communions are seen as away to make money now rather than accepting Jesus.

In earlier history rich families would sponser a pew in a church. Only the rich families could afford this and it was seen as being in a higher class when your family sponsered a pew. Only the family who sponsered the pew could sit in the pew. So it because antisocial not to attend Mass. If people were absent from mass it was easily identified because of this pew sponsorship and questions were literally asked during mass where the absentee was. So it left the family openly being ridiculed in public by the powerful priests.

This led onto it was deemed antisocial not to attend Mass for anyone of any class.

[Mr Walker]

13 hours ago, Illyrius said:

Cool. A spiderman spaceship repairman.. ok, i get the picture now. Moving away from further discussion about this to spare a topic of distractions.

Actually an arachnid/ humanoid alien form,  bright red in colour, protected by a force field and wearing nothing much but a tool kit,  who was attempting to repair a faulty servo motor, about half way out on the sheets attaching a light sail to the craft it was powering.  This was in the center of the galaxy, where local travel  commonly uses these craft .  

[Mr Walker]

13 hours ago, Illyrius said:

Thanks. I think poets are much more accurate.

Scientists describe physical reality,  poets artists etc describe(and can perceive)  perceptual reality They don't just see a red class 3 star  (just made tha t up)  but something of beauty and wonder  

[Illyrius]

3 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

Actually an arachnid/ humanoid alien form,  bright red in colour, protected by a force field and wearing nothing much but a tool kit,  who was attempting to repair a faulty servo motor, about half way out on the sheets attaching a light sail to the craft it was powering.  This was in the center of the galaxy, where local travel  commonly uses these craft .  

Hm.. wish i have some peyote now to be able to continue this conversation.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Illyrius

[Mr Walker]

10 hours ago, danydandan said:

Hallucinations are by definition false. Why would it be encouraged to encourage them?

Would it not be more beneficial to encourage philosophical realism?

Sexual fantasies are not real either, but that doesn't deter most humans constructing them  

Who wants to be real when it comes to sex ? 

[Illyrius]

1 minute ago, Mr Walker said:

Sexual fantasies are not real either, but that doesn't deter most humans constructing them  

Who wants to be real when it comes to sex ? 

Alien god?

[danydandan]

7 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

Sexual fantasies are not real either, but that doesn't deter most humans constructing them  

Who wants to be real when it comes to sex ? 

There is a growing body of research that suggests watching porn, or fantasies in your mind regarding sex, is extremely bad for people.

There are young men who don't know how to interact with women, their expectations on what womens role in their sexual experience is incorrect. They can't get aroused by natual women. So now there is a generation brought up in porn can't preform sexually in the real world.

So yeah in this case and like many other cases fantasy is detrimental to society and philosophical realism should be encouraged over fantasy.

[Illyrius]

3 minutes ago, danydandan said:

There is a growing body of research that suggests watching porn, or fantasies in your mind regarding sex, is extremely bad for people.

There are young men who don't know how to interact with women, their expectations on what womens role in their sexual experience is incorrect. They can't get aroused by natual women. So now there is a generation brought up in porn can't preform sexually in the real world.

So yeah in this case and like many other cases fantasy is detrimental to society and philosophical realism should be encouraged over fantasy.

I dont believe in this research. I watch porn all the time and i think its cool.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Illyrius

[danydandan]

10 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

Sexual fantasies are not real either, but that doesn't deter most humans constructing them  

Who wants to be real when it comes to sex ? 

Are you autistic Mr Walker?

It appears these experiences seem to be more prevalent in people who are Autistic.

[Mr Walker]

10 hours ago, Illyrius said:

Good point. If i hallucinate god, and hallucination is made of thoughts and thoughts are matter, then god is material too. I found god - he is alive.

That  is certainly one very common form of god. Might be considered real, but without independent existence. 

[danydandan]

1 minute ago, Illyrius said:

I dont believe in this research. I watch pon all the time and i think its cool.

Not saying it isn't cool. It just bring unrealistic expectations.

[Mr Walker]

35 minutes ago, danydandan said:

I'm going to make a number of assumptions here. If God can communicate only through hallucinations or through your minds eye would it not be possible for it to convey the exact same experience to each person it communicates to?

If the entity you describe like God cured you from you addiction it can alter your brain matter. So why wouldn't the entity you ascribe to this not just alter everyone's brain matter so they literally share the exact same experiences?

 Well, in my experience,  god has never communicated via an hallucination. I ve only had one in my life and that was a result of painkillers after a triple by pass,   and that was just little grey dots floating around the ceiling.

it s a good question though.

 No i do not think god could do that because every mind is different  even though every brain is pretty well identical. 

 3 people see a cat One wants to love it as part of the family, another is scared of it and third wants to eat it How does god give an identical message about cats to those 3 people?   

God has to work with the nature and capacity of the individuals mind.

Addiction is part psychological and part physical. In my case god removed the psychological addiction and actually removed the chemicals from my body.  Thus despite smoking over a packet a day for 5 years, I had no withdrawal symptoms  and no cravings for another cigarette My mind and body were simply altered to be without addiction.   Not sure if god would normally mess with the physical structure of a brain.

I t is easier to alter the patterns of  electro chemical firings of the neurons and synapses which constitute consciousness,thought, memory and self awareness Thus he can take away fear or addiction and replace them with courage and discipline.    

[Illyrius]

20 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

Addiction is part psychological and part physical. In my case god removed the psychological addiction and actually removed the chemicals from my body. 

If this god of yours is able to remove the chemicals from your body then i don't see a reason why wouldn't he be able to modify genitals for example. You have one cool god - this alien guy.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Illyrius

[danydandan]

23 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

 Well, in my experience,  god has never communicated via an hallucination. I ve only had one in my life and that was a result of painkillers after a triple by pass,   and that was just little grey dots floating around the ceiling.

it s a good question though.

 No i do not think god could do that because every mind is different  even though every brain is pretty well identical. 

 3 people see a cat One wants to love it as part of the family, another is scared of it and third wants to eat it How does god give an identical message about cats to those 3 people?   

God has to work with the nature and capacity of the individuals mind.

Addiction is part psychological and part physical. In my case god removed the psychological addiction and actually removed the chemicals from my body.  Thus despite smoking over a packet a day for 5 years, I had no withdrawal symptoms  and no cravings for another cigarette My mind and body were simply altered to be without addiction.   Not sure if god would normally mess with the physical structure of a brain.

I t is easier to alter the patterns of  electro chemical firings of the neurons and synapses which constitute consciousness,thought, memory and self awareness Thus he can take away fear or addiction and replace them with courage and discipline.    

I think you should refrain from calling the entity you experience as God and he.

If the entity can alter electro chemical reactions in the brain and extract chemicals from your body without opening you up. I can't see why it can't convince everyone of the same hallucinations or experiences.

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by danydandan