If God Exists, Where is He to be Found?

[Mr Walker]

4 minutes ago, danydandan said:

Obviously people watch it, it's shot up in Northern Ireland, but people don't go around proclaming winter is coming and pretending to be Jon Snow.

Oh dear .  That is one of the things I love about living here. No matter what part of the wider community you live within,  a number of people you know will be saying all those things to you, and predicting future episodes etc.   People timetable their social life around it, and have gatherings of family and friends so they can watch it together  (I would travel 120 ks every Monday night to watch it, with my sister and brother in law and his family, on foxtel)   

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

No I've never contradicted my self.  It a ll quite clear. but i do understand why oyu perceive contradictions. 

 Each time you see a contradiction, I've tried to explain why it is not.

Sometimes you can see it.Other times not 

Your mind is set in a certain pattern of thinking which actually creates false dichotomies or contradictions, and sometimes you don't have the equivalent knowldge to understand something    eg the nature of the mind, the brain, and human self aware consciousness And no i don't change the rules, but sometimes you see rules which don't actually exist   eg the fact that  in nature and from  evolution, the mind is a product of the brain and dies when the brain dies, does NOT mean that this is immutable or that technology cannot change that situation.   . 

Hi Walker

Do you not see that he is not the only one that tells you that you contradict yourself. The numbers should tell you something

jmccr8

[danydandan]

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

No, Initially i had no idea what it was I had almost 10 years of experience withe cosmic consciousness from the age of 10,  which i never even thought of as a god but as an alien consciousness . i also had several occasions when some powerful force intervened and saved my life.

Then, when i was about 22 I had my first physical manifestation (the pillar of light ) My first thoughts as it occurred were actually "beam my e up scotty" because i thought it was a translnat beam and something was going to step out of it r it was going to beam me up into a space ship  Instead the entity stayed within the beam or was itself the beam. I spent many years looking at this, examining it, studying it ,and wondering about it, but as other manifestations occurred, i realised that it was the physical manifestation of the consciousness i had known since i was 12   and i slowly developed a close personal connection to, and relationship with, it. 

I am not talking abut some metaphysical stuff Darpa developed ( almost by accident)  the abilty to control machines by thought   about 15 years ago They are now building prosthetics for ex soldiers controlled entirely by thought, and working on armoured exoskeletons for combat  You can use a remote welder on scottish drill rigs controlled by thoughts Initially you had to have electrodes implanted into your brain but with advances in technology it is now done wirelessly.  It began when scientists had a monkey using a joy stick to remote control a device The monkey had electrodes implanted in its head and maybe because it was lazy, it discovered that it could operate the machine without moving the joy stick, but just by thinking t was moving the stick  At  present a number of military robots controlled by thought are also being trialled 

In the last few years we HAVE come to a much better understanding of the nature of human consciousness and that it s why this is becoming possible. You can observe a thought forming in the human brian in real time .  it is till ealry days but we have already begun 

2000

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/1025471.stm

 

2014

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/inventor-creates-mindcontrolled-wheelchair-which-steers-away-from-obstacles-using-an-artificial-intelligence-system/news-story/d6b23b35afdac8b1860a0a1903e2fe9b

2015

https://www.sciencealert.com/paralysed-people-have-learnt-to-control-robots-remotely-with-their-thoughts

2016\

https://www.army.mil/article/167735/darpas_mind_controlled_robotic_arm_does_everything

2017

 

https://futurism.com/new-thought-controlled-prosthetics-restore-sensation-touch/

 

As for recording thought and transmitting them, it's ealry days yet but:

 

 

https://www.theverge.com/2013/4/4/4184728/scientists-decode-dreams-with-mri-scan

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/scientists-transmit-thoughts-brain/story?id=25319813

https://www.livescience.com/47708-human-brain-link-sends-thoughts.html

https://theconversation.com/brain-to-brain-interfaces-the-science-of-telepathy-37926

 

I don't know too much regarding this research, perhaps someone can enlighten me?

I'll certainly read the links and try to see what I make of them.

[Illyrius]

3 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

The brain supplies the energy (with energy from the body)  Destroy or damage the brain/energy source, and the consciousness dies, or is damaged.

I think you meant to say that brain is supplied with the energy from the body. That is ok. If the brain is destroyed or damaged the consciousness loses its vehicle to operate on the physical plane, BUT the consciousness LIVES ON.

3 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

BUT, the  consciousness is a pattern of electro chemical energy which can be copied or even recreated as algorithms in a computer,  and thus is capable of being transmitted, recorded and  reproduced 

NO. The consciousness in NOT a pattern of electro-chemical energy, the electro-chemical energy is physical manifestation of non-material phenomena of consciuousness which BECOMES this electro-chemical material in the brain. So this physical emanation of NON-PHYSICAL source can be manipulated in a way you described.

 

3 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Then, even if the original brain host dies, as long as another energy source and host is provided, the mind  (consciousness, memories and continuity of identity)  can be transferred and continue. in another host. 

Well i find this highly disputable, since i never heard of identity, memories or thoughts transfered in this way.

3 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Also, because consciousness can be transmitted beyond the brain /body as thought,(we are already doing this)   this makes mind reading, transmission of consciousness across distance, and some other abilities technically possible, with enough technology 

Can you please provide the link which supports this claim?

[danydandan]

51 minutes ago, Illyrius said:

I think you meant to say that brain is supplied with the energy from the body. That is ok. If the brain is destroyed or damaged the consciousness loses its vehicle to operate on the physical plane, BUT the consciousness LIVES ON.

NO. The consciousness in NOT a pattern of electro-chemical energy, the electro-chemical energy is physical manifestation of non-material phenomena of consciuousness which BECOMES this electro-chemical material in the brain. So this physical emanation of NON-PHYSICAL source can be manipulated in a way you described.

 

Well i find this highly disputable, since i never heard of identity, memories or thoughts transfered in this way.

Can you please provide the link which supports this claim?

As far as I know all scientist's have done was map electro-chemical reaction in the brain. We know how memories are stored someway but as far as I know we don't know exactly how or why they are stored the way they are. I can't see us transfering consciousness, mind or whatever you call it if we don't even know the fundamentals of how our brains works.

 

[+Sherapy]

4 hours ago, danydandan said:

I don't know too much regarding this research, perhaps someone can enlighten me?

I'll certainly read the links and try to see what I make of them.

None of the links give enough information to get a clear picture, and the quest to read further well the articles no longer exist. 

I found a Blurred YouTube video seriously, if these neuroscientists can't film and upload a video I am not hopeful.

This is a job for Piney. 

 

 

 

[danydandan]

22 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

None of the links give enough information to get a clear picture, and the quest to read further well the articles no longer exist. 

I found a Blurred YouTube video seriously, if these neuroscientists can't film and upload a video I am not hopeful.

This is a job for Piney. 

 

 

 

Yeah the links are bad journalism.

[Guyver]

18 hours ago, FrethKindheart said:

Sorry for the different font sizes, I am posting from a phone.  That is the Christian view on the subject.

 

I agree that is the Christian viewpoint on the subject.  Problem is, in the OP I made the distinction of actually finding God, or finding what we think of God.  The summary you posted leads us to what we think of God....doesn't it?

[Guyver]

19 hours ago, FrethKindheart said:

 

Deuteronomy 4:29 “But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.”

This verse troubles me and has for a long, long time.  Reason - what does it even mean?  All of thy heart and soul seems to me that there would be room for nothing else.  I have heard that the Japanese people have a word for working oneself to death.  We know such a thing can happen....but they've named it.  So, that would be an example of doing something with all one's heart and strength.  All does mean all.

So, according to this you have to work yourself to death to find God?

[Illyrius]

1 hour ago, Guyver said:

I agree that is the Christian viewpoint on the subject.  Problem is, in the OP I made the distinction of actually finding God, or finding what we think of God.  The summary you posted leads us to what we think of God....doesn't it?

If by "actually finding a god" is meant finding him as an observable entity then i have a simple answer; "No, you will never find god in this way."

I would first of all ask the following question: "What is god?"

The notion of god as some sort of morphic entity of any kind is rediculous to me. Why? Because morphism spells "imperfection". Any kind of shape can't describe perfection and immutableness except perhaps a perfect circle. So the god, as perfect being is beyond shape and beyond dualistic consciuosness. It is a mysterious source of everything, a causeless cause. We are his "childern" in a sense we are a part of its Creation and not in a sense it looks like us morphically.

There is one undeniable fact. Existance is a complete mystery and if we are honest to ourselves it will remain so. The root of universe is a mystery no science will ever find an answer to. The answer lies in ourselves, in our heart, mind and soul. When you strip away the illusion of "empirical proof" for things which CANNOT be empirically proven you are left to resort to reason and heart to lead you, you approach reality because you start look at right places. The trap of empiricism is that limits the inherent mysterious nature of Reality to the burden of very limited range of things which can be confirmed empirically.

Empiricism is not reality, reality is VASTLY deeper and wider than that.

[Mr Walker]

9 hours ago, Illyrius said:

I think you meant to say that brain is supplied with the energy from the body. That is ok. If the brain is destroyed or damaged the consciousness loses its vehicle to operate on the physical plane, BUT the consciousness LIVES ON.

NO. The consciousness in NOT a pattern of electro-chemical energy, the electro-chemical energy is physical manifestation of non-material phenomena of consciuousness which BECOMES this electro-chemical material in the brain. So this physical emanation of NON-PHYSICAL source can be manipulated in a way you described.

 

Well i find this highly disputable, since i never heard of identity, memories or thoughts transfered in this way.

Can you please provide the link which supports this claim?

NO  As i said the brain supplies energy to the mind but the brainis supplied by energy from the body 

No consciousness is actually just a pattern of electro chemical energy.  Any thing else is metaphysical thinking.

   However as we learn to recognise a pattern  eg associated with a word or a movement, we learn  to replicate it and thus move a finger or speak a word or smile  

Humans have a unique evolved abilty to recognise their own consciousness, and consciously develop it and control it.   They do this by consciously and subconsciously recreating patterns of neural energy which the y have learned bring about specific results. 

Humans are only just developing the technology to do this, but if you read the sources provided, you will see enough has been done to show it is possible, and each has been achieved in a primitive way.  

Provided in a couple of my last posts Since 2000 we have been able to control machines and computers simply by thinking a thought and transmitting that thought to the computer/machine. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by Mr Walker

[Mr Walker]

6 hours ago, Sherapy said:

None of the links give enough information to get a clear picture, and the quest to read further well the articles no longer exist. 

I found a Blurred YouTube video seriously, if these neuroscientists can't film and upload a video I am not hopeful.

This is a job for Piney. 

 

 

 

Did you ever see the first television images or hear the first radio broadcasts ?  Once something is proven possible the technology keeps improving the  product as it improves.

Sorry . I assumed you were talking about the neural imagery here. If you meant the production values of the video itself then I guess they should have hired lucas films or disney to get it up to scratch   In an age of specialisation, experts in one field are LESS likely to have competent skills in another .

Edited April 27, 2018 by Mr Walker

[Illyrius]

3 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

NO  As i said the brain supplies energy to the mind but the brainis supplied by energy from the body 

Again a sentence which is a bit strange. "Brain supplies an energy to the mind." Since you insist on completely physical interpretation of reality and shun from any sort of metaphysics then i really ask myself why do you make any distinction between the mind and the brain in the first place? As is pretty well known mind is the metaphysical term designating non-pysical and non-dying component of consciousness. Not only that you use that term but you claim that brain feeds the mind which is pretty much like you say that cat is feeding the mouse.

 

[danydandan]

7 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Did you ever see the first television images or hear the first radio broadcasts ?  Once something is proven possible the technology keeps improving the  product as it improves.

Sorry . I assumed you were talking about the neural imagery here. If you meant the production values of the video itself then I guess they should have hired lucas films or disney to get it up to scratch   In an age of specialisation, experts in one field are LESS likely to have competent skills in another .

If people were going to record something using a video recorder would you not think it prudent to be able to use a video recorder. The camera on my phone would do a better job than the people on the link you posted.

I'll reiterate my point the links you provided hinted at people learning how to use robotics using specific brain patterns. My point was you can't teach people who are paralyzed or have locked in syndrome how to use the robotics because they don't receive motor responses. This has been proven in patient's with ALS who reach a certain point. It is not possible to only use the brain to control these robotics because they receive no motor responses. The links you posted all have people, or monkeys, learning how to use the machines who have not been completely paralyzed. Actually the links you posted sensationalise the actual work being done and do not state the actual state of people learning to use the robotics only that they have disabilities.

So can you post some links refute my point?

The links you posted regarding transfering consciousness are also really poor journalism did you even read them?

All they are doing is recording brain patterns they never suggest transference of consciousness or thoughts they suggest a correlation between specific brain activity and thoughts they never state that specific brain patterns are a causation for thoughts, or dreams. Correlation is not causation.

Three of the links are from the same study which is interesting but does not prove transference of thoughts or consciousness. They transferred two words using a tms system. The reseacher even said it themselves that transfering thoughts would probably be impossible without a massive leap in technology. But it's not impossible. So the links you posted prove you are incorrect regarding transference of thoughts and consciousness.

The link regarding the dream recording is interesting, but if you understand scientific research you will surely admit it's nonsense. It has a grand total of three data points which successful results happened 60 percent of the time, this is slightly better than chance. If the amount of participants was greater and the successful results were greater it would be impressive. So it's really poor sensationalist journalism, and pretty speculative scientific research too. It proves nothing.

 

Edited April 27, 2018 by danydandan

[danydandan]

8 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

NO  As i said the brain supplies energy to the mind but the brainis supplied by energy from the body 

No consciousness is actually just a pattern of electro chemical energy.  Any thing else is metaphysical thinking.

Humans have a unique evolved abilty to recognise their own consciousness, and consciously develop it and control it.   They do this by consciously and subconsciously recreating patterns of neural energy which the y have learned bring about specific results.

Provided in a couple of my last posts Since 2000 we have been able to control machines and computers simply by thinking a thought and transmitting that thought to the computer/machine. 

If the mind is not metaphysical where is it located, the brain? If that's the case the brain is mind and thus how can the brain supply energy to itself. Unless you know exactly where the mind is located in the brain?

Them machines are not just moved using just thoughts the brain need a motor response for it to work. Therefore it's not just thoughts. If your interested, Dr Steve Novella discussed this on an episode of the skeptics guide to the universe, I think it's last year so around episode 605 or 604. The only study done using just thought with no motor responses, as in people with locked in syndrome, showed no better than approximately a fifty percent success rate. That is no better than chance so it's inconclusive at best. The study was done with patients with ASL who didn't learn to use technology prior to bring completely paralyzed. I will try and find a link.

Edited April 27, 2018 by danydandan

[Mr Walker]

2 hours ago, danydandan said:

If the mind is not metaphysical where is it located, the brain? If that's the case the brain is mind and thus how can the brain supply energy to itself. Unless you know exactly where the mind is located in the brain?

Them machines are not just moved using just thoughts the brain need a motor response for it to work. Therefore it's not just thoughts. If your interested, Dr Steve Novella discussed this on an episode of the skeptics guide to the universe, I think it's last year so around episode 605 or 604. The only study done using just thought with no motor responses, as in people with locked in syndrome, showed no better than approximately a fifty percent success rate. That is no better than chance so it's inconclusive at best. The study was done with patients with ASL who didn't learn to use technology prior to bring completely paralyzed. I will try and find a link.

The mind is the pattern of energy in the brain, which humans have evolved to consciously recognise and manipulate. We call this, being self aware You also manipulate it subconsciously.

  Of course the machines need power to operate  the mind is not powering them, but the control and direction is sent wirelessly as human  thoughts, from a human brain to the machine. I am not speaking of anything like telekinesis The brain probably doesn't have the power to move anything by itself .  

It is the directions and instructions, which are transmitted as thoughts  demonstrating that specific thoughts are specific energy forms and thus can be recognised recorded transmitted and stored . When you wiggle your little finger your brain creates a specific energy pattern.    You learn to replicate that patern every time you want to wiggle your finger.   You can transmit that thought to a robotic prostheses and it will wiggle its own finger on command  

i dont know the studies you refer to, but they have nothing to do with the work described here.

Scientists found that, rather than having to operate a physical control to operate machinery by remote, that just thinking the thoughts had the same effect, as long as your  brain/ mind was connected either by wire, or later wirelessly, to the machine.    

The mind is located throughout the brain.  it consists of a multitude of neural networks which, when energised, form our thoughts, memories and instructions to our body.

A single memory is stored on a single neuron eg the image of an apple . bigger memories and associated memories are stored on networks of neurons and recalled by firing up a specific part of the brain.

Every thought has a unique energy  pattern  which you can observe with machines, and learn to recognise  So, if i think of Paris Hilton, a scientist can learn to recognise the specific energy pattern which is my thought about Paris Hilton. it will be identical each time  

Of course tha t is  just the the starting point and the sort of stuff i learned about human cognition, children's development in language thought and movement, and  how the mind connects to the body it gets really intersting as t gets comlicated 

 https://www.thebestbrainpossible.com/how-your-thoughts-change-your-brain-cells-and-genes/

 

In The Intention Experiment: Using Your Thoughts to Change Your Life and the World, Lynne McTaggart writes:

A sizable body of research exploring the nature of consciousness, carried on for more than thirty years in prestigious scientific institutions around the world, shows that thoughts are capable of affecting everything from the simplest machines to the most complex living beings. This evidence suggests that human thoughts and intentions are an actual physical “something” with astonishing power to change our world. Every thought we have is tangible energy with the power to transform. A thought is not only a thing; a thought is a thing that influences other things.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/debbie-hampton/how-your-thoughts-change-your-brain-cells-and-genes_b_9516176.html

 

The one below is really worth a read.

 

What are thoughts made of?

They’re really just electro-chemical reactions—but the number and complexity of these reactions make them hard to fully understand…

By Elizabeth Dougherty

The human brain is composed of about 100 billion nerve cells (neurons) interconnected by trillions of connections, called synapses. On average, each connection transmits about one signal per second. Some specialized connections send up to 1,000 signals per second. “Somehow… that’s producing thought,” says Charles Jennings, director of neurotechnology at the MIT McGovern Institute for Brain Research.

https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask-an-engineer/what-are-thoughts-made-of/

 

More on transmitting thoughts

 

Thinking at you

Recent advances in brain-computer interfaces are turning the science fantasy of transmitting thoughts directly from one brain to another into reality.

Studies published in the last two years have reported direct transmission of brain activity between two animals, between two humans and even between a human and a rat. These “brain-to-brain interfaces” (BBIs) allow for direct transmission of brain activity in real time by coupling the brains of two individuals.

The latest advance in human BBIs represents another leap forward. This is where transmission of conscious thought was achieved between two human beings in August last year.

Using a combination of technologies – including EEG, the Internet and TMS – the team of researchers was able to transmit a thought all the way from India to France.

 

https://theconversation.com/brain-to-brain-interfaces-the-science-of-telepathy-37926

 

And on human prosthesis controlled by thought.

 

https://futurism.com/mind-controlled-robotic-arm-johnny-matheny/

 

 

Edited April 27, 2018 by Mr Walker

[danydandan]

10 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

The mind is the pattern of energy in the brain, which humans have evolved to consciously recognise and manipulate. We call this, being self aware You also manipulate it subconsciously.

  Of course the machines need power to operate  the mind is not powering them, but the control and direction is sent wirelessly as human  thoughts, from a human brain to the machine. I am not speaking of anything like telekinesis The brain probably doesn't have the power to move anything by itself .  

It is the directions and instructions, which are transmitted as thoughts  demonstrating that specific thoughts are specific energy forms and thus can be recognised recorded transmitted and stored . When you wiggle your little finger your brain creates a specific energy pattern.    You learn to replicate that patern every time you want to wiggle your finger.   You can transmit that thought to a robotic prostheses and it will wiggle its own finger on command  

i dont know the studies you refer to, but they have nothing to do with the work described here.

Scientists found that, rather than having to operate a physical control to operate machinery by remote, that just thinking the thoughts had the same effect, as long as your  brain/ mind was connected either by wire, or later wirelessly, to the machine.    

The mind is located throughout the brain.  it consists of a multitude of neural networks which, when energised, form our thoughts, memories and instructions to our body.

A single memory is stored on a single neuron eg the image of an apple . bigger memories and associated memories are stored on networks of neurons and recalled by firing up a specific part of the brain.

Every thought has a unique energy  pattern  which you can observe with machines, and learn to recognise  So, if i think of Paris Hilton, a scientist can learn to recognise the specific energy pattern which is my thought about Paris Hilton. it will be identical each time  

I'm not saying the brain powers the machine, that would be ridiculous, what I'm saying is people can't use just thought to learn to control these machines. It appears, as a result from studies carried out with severe ALS or locked in syndrome, that a motor response is required to be able to learn to control the machines.

Also your talking nonsense about memories, we don't have a clue how they are stored or why they are stored the way they are.

[Mr Walker]

6 hours ago, Illyrius said:

Again a sentence which is a bit strange. "Brain supplies an energy to the mind." Since you insist on completely physical interpretation of reality and shun from any sort of metaphysics then i really ask myself why do you make any distinction between the mind and the brain in the first place? As is pretty well known mind is the metaphysical term designating non-pysical and non-dying component of consciousness. Not only that you use that term but you claim that brain feeds the mind which is pretty much like you say that cat is feeding the mouse.

 

Becsue the brain is NOT the mind, anymore than a generator is electricity  or a television set is a programme, or a computer is the algorithms within it. The brain is the physical host of the mind but the mind is the patterns of energy which light up and spread and function within the brain, often under our own contol  eg my wife had a stroke and had to learn how to work her left hand and arm from scratch It was literally  swaet inducing work for her to retrain her mind to follow her instructions and recreate the neural patterns needed to move her fingers move her hand or make a fist  She was not moving, yet sweat was breaking out on her brow from the mental energy and discipline needed to reprogramme the very simple patterns of energy which moved each of her fingers 

The brain provides the organic framework , the body supplies the energy,  and the mind is the energy patterns and shapes and forms,  and the self aware consciousness learns, controls, and directs the patterns of energy in the mind so our body responds to our mental directives. 

[danydandan]

4 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

Becsue the brain is NOT the mind, anymore than a generator is electricity  or a television set is a programme, or a computer is the algorithms within it. The brain is the physical host of the mind but the mind is the patterns of energy which light up and spread and function within the brain, often under our own contol  eg my wife had a stroke and had to learn how to work her left hand and arm from scratch It was literally  swaet inducing work for her to retrain her mind to follow her instructions and recreate the neural patterns needed to move her fingers move her hand or make a fist  She was not moving, yet sweat was breaking out on her brow from the mental energy and discipline needed to reprogramme the very simple patterns of energy which moved each of her fingers 

The brain provides the organic framework , the body supplies the energy,  and the mind is the energy patterns and shapes and forms,  and the self aware consciousness learns, controls, and directs the patterns of energy in the mind so our body responds to our mental directives. 

So the mind is just electrical patterns in the brain but is now your saying the brain is not the mind. That's a condriction.

[Mr Walker]

31 minutes ago, danydandan said:

I'm not saying the brain powers the machine, that would be ridiculous, what I'm saying is people can't use just thought to learn to control these machines. It appears, as a result from studies carried out with severe ALS or locked in syndrome, that a motor response is required to be able to learn to control the machines.

Also your talking nonsense about memories, we don't have a clue how they are stored or why they are stored the way they are.

yes we do but i will let you research what we have learned about memories in the last 5 to 10 years  

ill get you started.

When a human child sees a face or an apple, it stores the recognition of that object on one single neuron.

When it learns a single fact associated withe image, such as a name, it transfers this combined knowledge to a difernt neuron.

  As it learns more about the face or the fruit, it builds up a network of associated energy patterns around that first learned fact And it gets incresingly complicted  

I can see what you mean  about people   without a motor response  However that might be a type of brian damage  which prevents the brain from  issuing a command or from transmitting the command.

it doesn't alter the fact that it is our thoughts which can be transmitted to machines and direct their operations.

However you have me interested, so i will read up on it.

A quick read indicates that locked i syndrome consists of two parts.

First an inability to operate the body( usually from  truama or disease  caused  physical injuries.

But second ( and tragically) part is  an ongoing self awre consciousness trapped within a body that wil not respond to its commands 

My immediate thoughts are that these people are natural  patients/recipients for thought controlled artificial prostheses

Ie you connect the mind directly or wirelessly   to an artificial exoskeleton (complete or partial)  and by pass the injury/trauma or other disabled physical component of the body. 

However where the syndrome is caused by an internal injury in the brain, such as a haemorrhage, it would depend how effectively the mind could form the commands needed to operate the machines. There might be some who could not be helped because of this.    

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-01/brain-scanner-offers-hope-for-locked-in-syndrome-patients/8229480

Patients suffering from locked-in syndrome may soon be able to communicate with their doctors and loved ones through a scanner linked to their brain.

Key points:

• Locked-in syndrome causes paralysis of the body while the mind remains conscious
• A new technique using a computer linked to a patient's brain can indicate a 'yes' or 'no' response
• The lead researcher says the technique raises important questions about quality of life for patients

 

Researchers in Europe were able to accurately understand four patients 70 per cent of the time after asking them simple 'yes' or 'no' questions and reading their response with a specially designed cap.

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23640-mind-controlled-exoskeleton-lets-paralysed-people-walk/

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-15200386

 

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288604459_Design_of_a_Brain_Controlled_Hand_Exoskeleton_for_Patients_with_Motor_Neuron_Diseases

 

 

 

Edited April 27, 2018 by Mr Walker

[Mr Walker]

1 minute ago, danydandan said:

So the mind is just electrical patterns in the brain but is now your saying the brain is not the mind. That's a condriction.

No its not, but you might have to think about it a bit, and model it for a while, to get it. 

 Pixels make up a picture but they are NOT the picture  They have to be consciously organised and put together in a way we recognise, to form a picture.

Our mind directs our brain (and the energy flows within the brain) , to construct a  self aware, intelligent, entity.

THAT entity is the mind.

It is living, dynamic, evolving,  conscious, aware ; self directed, and self regulating .    

[danydandan]

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

yes we do but i will let you research what we have learned about memories in the last 5 to 10 years  

ill get you started.

When a human child sees a face or an apple, it stores the recognition of that object on one single neuron.

When it learns a single fact associated withe image, such as a name, it transfers this combined knowledge to a difernt neuron.

  As it learns more about the face or the fruit, it builds up a network of associated energy patterns around that first learned fact And it gets incresingly complicted  

I can see what you mean  about people   without a motor response  However that might be a type of brian damage  which prevents the brain from  issuing a command or from transmitting the command.

it doesn't alter the fact that it is our thoughts which can be transmitted to machines and direct their operations.

However you have me interested, so i will read up on it.

A quick read indicates that locked i syndrome consists of two parts.

First an inability to operate the body( usually from  truama or disease  caused  physical injuries.

But second ( and tragically) part is  an ongoing self awre consciousness trapped within a body that wil not respond to its commands 

My immediate thoughts are that these people are natural  patients/recipients for thought controlled artificial prostheses

Ie you connect the mind directly or wirelessly   to an artificial exoskeleton (complete or partial)  and by pass the injury/trauma or other disabled physical component of the body. 

However where the syndrome is caused by an internal injury in the brain, such as a haemorrhage, it would depend how effectively the mind could form the commands needed to operate the machines. There might be some who could not be helped because of this.    

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-01/brain-scanner-offers-hope-for-locked-in-syndrome-patients/8229480

Patients suffering from locked-in syndrome may soon be able to communicate with their doctors and loved ones through a scanner linked to their brain.

Key points:

• Locked-in syndrome causes paralysis of the body while the mind remains conscious
• A new technique using a computer linked to a patient's brain can indicate a 'yes' or 'no' response
• The lead researcher says the technique raises important questions about quality of life for patients

 

Researchers in Europe were able to accurately understand four patients 70 per cent of the time after asking them simple 'yes' or 'no' questions and reading their response with a specially designed cap.

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23640-mind-controlled-exoskeleton-lets-paralysed-people-walk/

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-15200386

 

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288604459_Design_of_a_Brain_Controlled_Hand_Exoskeleton_for_Patients_with_Motor_Neuron_Diseases

 

 

 

So you think a case study of four people is sufficient? It's not.

While the research is suggestive, it isn't verfied. Even the researcher stated the following, " There results need to be verfied in more patient" https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/after-years-of-being-locked-in-patients-communicate-say-theyre-happy/

Here is a better link, it's quite interesting

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/brain-machine-interface/

Like I said the brain needs a response in order to learn to control the machines.

I'm not sure about memories storage but it appears much more complex than the single neuron explanation you gave.

https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/how-are-memory-stored-retrieved-forget-encode-retrieve-hippocampus-long-term-memory-short-term-memory.html

Edited April 27, 2018 by danydandan

[danydandan]

54 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

No its not, but you might have to think about it a bit, and model it for a while, to get it. 

 Pixels make up a picture but they are NOT the picture  They have to be consciously organised and put together in a way we recognise, to form a picture.

Our mind directs our brain (and the energy flows within the brain) , to construct a  self aware, intelligent, entity.

THAT entity is the mind.

It is living, dynamic, evolving,  conscious, aware ; self directed, and self regulating .    

Your not addressing the issue, you first stated the brain is not the mind, or consciousness. Then stated the mind is made up from elctro-chemical responses in the brain. That is a condriction.

[Illyrius]

2 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Becsue the brain is NOT the mind, anymore than a generator is electricity  or a television set is a programme, or a computer is the algorithms within it.

First of all i agree that the brain is not the mind, but we need a clarification about this, we need a clear distinction of what is mind and what is the brain. You emphasize that brain is the physical organ dealing with consciousness. Since you emphasize that brain is physicial, which is an obvious truth, then what is the mind? Also physical? If so please name the clear distinctions between the two things. I already stated what i consider the mind to be and it is an metaphysical consciousness which operates on a physical brain. Now can you please be clear on what is mind to you and point to clear distinctions between a mind and a brain from your perspective?

[danydandan]

8 minutes ago, Illyrius said:

First of all i agree that the brain is not the mind, but we need a clarification about this, we need a clear distinction of what is mind and what is the brain. You emphasize that brain is the physical organ dealing with consciousness. Since you emphasize that brain is physicial, which is an obvious truth, then what is the mind? Also physical? If so please name the clear distinctions between the two things. I already stated what i consider the mind to be and it is an metaphysical consciousness which operates on a physical brain. Now can you please be clear on what is mind to you and point to clear distinctions between a mind and a brain from your perspective?

Are you in agreement that the mind dwells in the brain, but it isn't the brain?

I don't see a distinction between the two.