ExpandMyMind Posted April 22, 2018 #1 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Quote But the Trump administration contends the tribes are a race rather than separate governments, and exempting them from Medicaid work rules .......... The tribes insist that any claim of “racial preference” is moot because they’re constitutionally protected as separate governments, dating back to treaties hammered out by President George Washington and reaffirmed in recent decades under Republican and Democratic presidents alike, including the Clinton, George W. Bush and Obama administrations. “The United States has a legal responsibility to provide health care to Native Americans,” said Mary Smith, who was acting head of the Indian Health Service during the Obama administration and is a member of the Cherokee Nation. “It’s the largest prepaid health system in the world — they’ve paid through land and massacres — and now you’re going to take away health care and add a work requirement?” Trump trying to reneg on a centuries old deal. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted April 22, 2018 Author #2 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Quote This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. - Article VI, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted April 22, 2018 #3 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Anything to save a dime, what a loathesome act. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khol Posted April 22, 2018 #4 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Providing Medicaid to Indigenous people doesn't even come close to providing enough compensation for what was taken from them in the first place Cmon Trump cough up the health care ..! 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted April 22, 2018 Author #5 Share Posted April 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Anything to save a dime, what a loathesome act. I think it probably has more to do with his decades long fued with Native Americans and their more recent conflict with regards to the proposed wall being built on their territory. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted April 22, 2018 #6 Share Posted April 22, 2018 This adds a little perspective to the decision (and a little sting) Quote Another point of contention for the tribes is that HHS’ civil rights office — while rejecting Native Americans’ Medicaid request on grounds that they’re seeking an illegal preference — simultaneously announced new protections sought by conservative religious groups. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted April 22, 2018 #7 Share Posted April 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: This adds a little perspective to the decision (and a little sting) Freedom to push their religion on us........ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted April 22, 2018 #8 Share Posted April 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said: I think it probably has more to do with his decades long fued with Native Americans and their more recent conflict with regards to the proposed wall being built on their territory. I should of saved some of the funnier videos but my sig says it all.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post +and-then Posted April 22, 2018 Popular Post #9 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I bet he gets punched in the nose on this one. I understand the general idea but Native Americans are in a different class of citizen altogether where this is concerned. Healthcare for them is NOT welfare, it should be a pre-paid obligation for all time. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted April 22, 2018 #10 Share Posted April 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, and then said: I bet he gets punched in the nose on this one. I understand the general idea but Native Americans are in a different class of citizen altogether where this is concerned. Healthcare for them is NOT welfare, it should be a pre-paid obligation for all time. and I still won't accept it and pay for my own doctors......of course that is because of the pre-paid pill and unnecessary surgery pushers.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiloh Posted April 22, 2018 #11 Share Posted April 22, 2018 The people consisting of all political parties need to stop this in its tracks. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted April 22, 2018 #12 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, ExpandMyMind said: I think it probably has more to do with his decades long fued with Native Americans and their more recent conflict with regards to the proposed wall being built on their territory. Look at Hard Rock and tell me who does a better job at running a casino...... The Kikapu, a Algonquian tribe who originally lived in Ohio and was chased into Mexico lost their "guest worker" status to work on ranchs during roundup as with the Mexican Dine' (Apache).....Thank you Donald.....racist dick that you are.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted April 23, 2018 #13 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Piney said: Look at Hard Rock and tell me who does a better job at running a casino...... The Kikapu, a Algonquian tribe who originally lived in Ohio and was chased into Mexico lost their "guest worker" status to work on ranchs during roundup as with the Mexican Dine' (Apache).....Thank you Donald.....racist dick that you are.... Do you have a link for that? Not calling BS, just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted April 23, 2018 #14 Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said: I think it probably has more to do with his decades long fued with Native Americans and their more recent conflict with regards to the proposed wall being built on their territory. Native casinos hit him in the pocketbook. He didn't like the rivalry. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted April 23, 2018 #15 Share Posted April 23, 2018 The current year is 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted April 23, 2018 #16 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, acidhead said: The current year is 2018 Very good. now can any one put up their hand and tell me what day of the week it is? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted April 23, 2018 #17 Share Posted April 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Likely Guy said: Do you have a link for that? Not calling BS, just curious. Let me see if I can find it. It's old Indian Country news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustus Posted April 23, 2018 #18 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Native peoples have been conquered and subjucated all over this world. Natives conquered other natives before them. Requirements to work for govt. handouts is not a bad thing for a people as a whole. Becoming shackled to the government and habitually dependent on provisions is. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted April 23, 2018 #19 Share Posted April 23, 2018 11 hours ago, Tatetopa said: Native casinos hit him in the pocketbook. He didn't like the rivalry. Interesting angle lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted April 23, 2018 #20 Share Posted April 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said: Interesting angle lol It's true, he spent millions lobbying against us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted April 23, 2018 #21 Share Posted April 23, 2018 13 hours ago, Likely Guy said: Do you have a link for that? Not calling BS, just curious. Here's the statue saying they cannot be denied entry. https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-20736/0-0-0-20753.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted April 23, 2018 #22 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I don’t know man. I grew up in poverty. My parents grew up in poverty that I could hardly conceive. No one is saying we deserve free medical. Seems to me it’s time for natives to join the rest of America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted April 23, 2018 Author #23 Share Posted April 23, 2018 38 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: I don’t know man. I grew up in poverty. My parents grew up in poverty that I could hardly conceive. No one is saying we deserve free medical. Seems to me it’s time for natives to join the rest of America. It's not about what you or I perceive to be right or fair. It's a legal obligation that is protected by your own Constitution. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted April 23, 2018 #24 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: I don’t know man. I grew up in poverty. My parents grew up in poverty that I could hardly conceive. No one is saying we deserve free medical. Seems to me it’s time for natives to join the rest of America. I am. There are a million and one reasons why "free" medical makes sense. It makes sense fiscally, it makes sense morally and considering what we're learning about the effects poverty and poor health management have on the brain its actually a straight up national security issue. Edited April 23, 2018 by Farmer77 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted April 23, 2018 #25 Share Posted April 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: I am. There are a million and one reasons why "free" medical makes sense. It makes sense fiscally, it makes sense morally and considering what we're learning about the effects poverty and poor health management have on the brain its actually a straight up national security issue. It doesnt make sense fiscally really, or any sense for that matter under the current circumstances. There are benefits to free medical care or universal care or whatever you want to call it but it also has serious downsides, just like how private medical care has benefits and serious downsides, but till the issue of drug companies jacking up their price of medicine in America and reform to sueing for medical malpractice is done then nothing is really going to change, cost will still be astronomical. All universal care will do is shift the cost from those who are ill to everyone. For example universal health care won't help that epipens cost over $600 in America while in the UK they cost $69 while costing the company only about $15 to make of which most of the cost is on the case. To make the post on topic more or less, I personally think the Native American should just fully integrate already, what real benefit is there to keeping the tribal government stuff going at this point in time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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