Only_ Posted May 20, 2018 Author #726 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: First of all this have nothing to do with wether he is right or wrong about the topic. I don't think I have ever say that. As a matter of fact, I posted a solid refutation of his book. Quote Secondly as I understand it they are allegations. People are innocent until proven guilty, right ? Absolutely. It looks pretty bad though: [LINK] He Became A Celebrity For Putting Science Before God. Now Lawrence Krauss Faces Allegations Of Sexual Misconduct. Quote Thirdly as a christian are you going to go with the sexual miscounduct angle ? really ? That's fallacious, since I have nothing to do with the churches or religious individuals who did such things. Edited May 20, 2018 by Brother_Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 20, 2018 #727 Share Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Brother_Spirit said: That's fallacious, since I have nothing to do with the churches or religious individuals who did such things. Take heed as well as great care towards where you cast that proverbial stone .... ~ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 20, 2018 #728 Share Posted May 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Brother_Spirit said: I don't think I have ever say that. As a matter of fact, I posted a solid refutation of his book. As a matter of fact you posted, an incorrect and presumptuous, article to refute the book. You yourself didn't not refute anything. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted May 20, 2018 Author #729 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, danydandan said: As a matter of fact you posted, an incorrect and presumptuous, article to refute the book. You yourself didn't not refute anything. Did you know that David Albert is an atheist? He doesn't have a stake in this debate. To his credit, he's pointing out flaws when he sees them based on both science and philosophy. It's just so blatantly obvious in Krauss' book A Universe From Nothing. [LINK] Atheist David Albert destroying Dumb New Book by naïve Atheist Krauss Edited May 20, 2018 by Brother_Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 20, 2018 #730 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Brother_Spirit said: Did you know that David Albert is an atheist? He doesn't have a stake in this debate. To his credit, he's pointing out flaws when he sees them based on both science and philosophy. It's just so blatantly obvious in Krauss' book A Universe From Nothing. [LINK] Atheist David Albert destroying Dumb New Book by naïve Atheist Krauss Don't care what his beliefs are it's irrelevant, he isn't pointing out flaws from a scientific point of view, just on philosophical grounds. David Albert is a philosopher not a scientist. His review of the book asked questions of the book, which the book doesn't attempt to answer, rather than arguing against premises the books makes, actually the book makes no claims. Can I ask if you have read the book? I have and disagree with Krauss, I disagree more with Albert's review. If you wanted to argue against somethings in the book you should do it in your own words rather than using Google. Scientific American had a great article disagreeing with the views of Krauss. Edit: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/is-lawrence-krauss-a-physicist-or-just-a-bad-philosopher/ Edited May 20, 2018 by danydandan 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted May 20, 2018 #731 Share Posted May 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Brother_Spirit said: And which heros would that be? God, Moses, Joshua, David.. etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted May 20, 2018 #732 Share Posted May 20, 2018 10 hours ago, Brother_Spirit said: Seems like you are not following the discussions. David Albert has done a great job at refuting Krauss' A Universe From Nothing. What makes no sense is to present Krauss as 'superior' (''leading teams at the LHC'') to Albert, especially when Krauss' reputation isn't so glamorous right now to say the least. But all you're doing is finding one scientist who disagrees with another one that you don't happen to like. I'm going to bet you don't really understand either argument, and as I say, its just a diversion. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 20, 2018 #733 Share Posted May 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Emma_Acid said: But all you're doing is finding one scientist who disagrees with another one that you don't happen to like. I'm going to bet you don't really understand either argument, and as I say, its just a diversion. Albert isn't a scientist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted May 20, 2018 #734 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Just now, danydandan said: Albert isn't a scientist. Welllll he did his doctorate in theoretical physics, but you're right, he's a philosopher. Either way, my point stands. B_S is just finding one academic who disagrees with someone he doesn't like and claims it as a victory - almost certainly without understanding either argument. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 20, 2018 #735 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Emma_Acid said: Welllll he did his doctorate in theoretical physics, but you're right, he's a philosopher. Either way, my point stands. B_S is just finding one academic who disagrees with someone he doesn't like and claims it as a victory - almost certainly without understanding either argument. Yeap, what's worse is the whole thing is an ad hominem. I also seriously doubt the poster has read the work being argued about. Edited May 20, 2018 by danydandan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted May 20, 2018 #736 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Emma_Acid said: Welllll he did his doctorate in theoretical physics, but you're right, he's a philosopher. Either way, my point stands. B_S is just finding one academic who disagrees with someone he doesn't like and claims it as a victory - almost certainly without understanding either argument. Interesting how his initials are BS. Edited May 20, 2018 by Truthseeker007 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 20, 2018 #737 Share Posted May 20, 2018 On 5/19/2018 at 5:52 PM, Brother_Spirit said: I'm responding to a claim. Krauss isn't ''leading teams at the LHC''.. The reality is that he currently suspended with pay by his own University and various skeptic associations have taken their distances with him based on serious allegations... The LHC isn't Arizona University so you're not responding to the claim. It's smear. On 5/19/2018 at 5:52 PM, Brother_Spirit said: Not a ''hero'' I'd want to push at this point in time. You'd prefer a mysoginistic genocidal sexual deviate then. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted May 20, 2018 Author #738 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, danydandan said: Albert isn't a scientist. He is trained as a physicist. He received his bachelor's degree in physics from Columbia College (1976) and his doctorate in theoretical physics from The Rockefeller University (1981) under Professor Nicola Khuri.[1] Afterwards he worked with Professor Yakir Aharonov of Tel Aviv University. Albert has published three books (Quantum Mechanics and Experience (1992), Time and Chance (2000) and After Physics(2015)), as well as numerous articles on quantum mechanics. His books have been both praised and criticized for their informal, conversational style. In 2015, he was elected a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Albert He's on a level playing field with Krauss. If anything, he has one advantage: He knows about philosophical reasoning, which Krauss is severely lacking. Edited May 20, 2018 by Brother_Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted May 20, 2018 Author #739 Share Posted May 20, 2018 10 hours ago, Rlyeh said: God, Moses, Joshua, David.. etc. Are you comparing Lawrence Krauss with people from a culture more than 2000 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 20, 2018 #740 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Brother_Spirit said: He is trained as a physicist. He received his bachelor's degree in physics from Columbia College (1976) and his doctorate in theoretical physics from The Rockefeller University (1981) under Professor Nicola Khuri.[1] Afterwards he worked with Professor Yakir Aharonov of Tel Aviv University. Albert has published three books (Quantum Mechanics and Experience (1992), Time and Chance (2000) and After Physics(2015)), as well as numerous articles on quantum mechanics. His books have been both praised and criticized for their informal, conversational style. In 2015, he was elected a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Albert He's on a level playing field with Krauss. If anything, he has one advantage: He knows about philosophical reasoning, which Krauss is severely lacking. Dara O'Briain studied theoretical physics, now he's a comedian. Just because you study something doesn't mean you can work at what you studied. Albert may have studied physics, but he is working as a philosophical lecturer. He isn't anywhere near the forefront of research like Krauss is ( was before the sexual misconduct allegations.). I actually like Albert, he should have sued them makers of that crappy documentary that took him out of context. Also just because someone has a PhD doesn't make them on a level playing field. There is a reason why Kruass is considered a leading scientist and Albert is a teacher. https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2013/sep/15/dara-obriain-interview Edited May 20, 2018 by danydandan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 20, 2018 #741 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I thought the whole point of spiritual faith was to believe without proof? So? Why look for proof? I mean, isn't that what "Going on faith" is all about? No proof. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 20, 2018 #742 Share Posted May 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, XenoFish said: I thought the whole point of spiritual faith was to believe without proof? So? Why look for proof? I mean, isn't that what "Going on faith" is all about? No proof. It seems people need to justify their beliefs to others, by trying to get proof because...... I don't know why. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 20, 2018 #743 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Just now, danydandan said: It seems people need to justify their beliefs to others, by trying to get proof because...... I don't know why. I think I do. It might be due to their own doubts. So they look for something solid to anchor their faith too. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted May 20, 2018 #744 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I spent an hour in a church service Easter Sunday with my wife and daughter...and all the guy did was try to 'logically' prove how Jesus is the son of God. I agree ...If they didn't have some doubts there would be no need to prove anything. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 20, 2018 #745 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, XenoFish said: I think I do. It might be due to their own doubts. So they look for something solid to anchor their faith too. The literal definition of oxymoronic is trying to justify your faith with proof. If you require proof you ain't got faith. Edited May 20, 2018 by danydandan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 20, 2018 #746 Share Posted May 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, danydandan said: The literal definition of oxymoronic is trying to justify your faith with proof. If you require proof you ain't got faith. We see it here all the time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted May 20, 2018 #747 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, danydandan said: It seems people need to justify their beliefs to others, by trying to get proof because...... I don't know why. My two cents is if a person is in this section hanging tough trying to sell their god brand, it really is about their own need for validation, the constant need to feed their righteousness or... Most posters "selling" god fall away rather quickly, we have the occasional straggler who fancy themselves somehow "different", yet for the most part the posters serious about Critical analysis refine and grow even if they still retain a belief in god--these are the posters I learn from. We have some really quality minds here and you are one of them. Edited May 20, 2018 by Sherapy 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minimalists Posted May 20, 2018 #748 Share Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: I thought the whole point of spiritual faith was to believe without proof? So? Why look for proof? I mean, isn't that what "Going on faith" is all about? No proof. Too see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.....Ben Franklin. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 20, 2018 #749 Share Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Sherapy said: My two cents is if a person is in this section hanging tough trying to sell their god brand, it really is about their own need for validation, the constant need to feed their righteousness or... Most posters "selling" god fall away rather quickly, we have the occasional straggler who fancy themselves somehow "different", yet for the most part the posters serious about Critical analysis refine and grow even if they still retain a belief in god--these are the posters I learn from. We have some really quality minds here and you are one of them. Aw shucks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted May 20, 2018 #750 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I meant to include anti theists too, we get the occasional hard core Athiest who is selling too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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