Truthseeker007 Posted May 18, 2018 #701 Share Posted May 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Baldylocks said: Have you watched the film with the same name? its first person like Blair witch. Its about the Paris Catacombs. Its ok tbh. I have not but I will have to check it out.Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torchwood Posted May 18, 2018 #702 Share Posted May 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: I get the idea that is means for instance a small atom is much like a small solar system. So maybe this whole universe is just one single atom to even something bigger. Just a silly thought.lol! No, the old model of atom is a useful tool for describing and teaching about atoms, but thats not what we think atoms actually look like 4 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: So in actuality we really don't know and the whole gravity explanation is a theory not a fact. Am I correct in that observation? A theory is a collection of facts. So it is both fact and theory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.O'N Posted May 18, 2018 #703 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Truthseeker007 said: I have not but I will have to check it out.Thanks!! Nothing to do with the convo lol just popped in my head when you said that quote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted May 18, 2018 #704 Share Posted May 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Torchwood said: No, the old model of atom is a useful tool for describing and teaching about atoms, but thats not what we think atoms actually look like A theory is a collection of facts. So it is both fact and theory. So we still have a lot to learn really. So you are saying this is not what it would look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 18, 2018 #705 Share Posted May 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: So in actuality we really don't know and the whole gravity explanation is a theory not a fact. Am I correct in that observation? I think at this stage, and with the confirmation of gravitional waves, general relativity is a fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 18, 2018 #706 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Truthseeker007 said: So we still have a lot to learn really. So you are saying this is not what it would look like? We basically can't draw a picture of an atom due to the uncertainty principle. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted May 18, 2018 #707 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, danydandan said: I think at this stage, and with the confirmation of gravitional waves, general relativity is a fact. I definitely want to look more into it. Sometimes I come at things on a totally different view then the normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted May 18, 2018 #708 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, danydandan said: We basically can't draw a picture of an atom due to the uncertainty principle. I do remember from watching something sometime that there is a lot of empty space in an atom and mostly empty space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 18, 2018 #709 Share Posted May 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: I do remember from watching something sometime that there is a lot of empty space in an atom and mostly empty space. It's hard to imagine. But if you consider the nucleus of an atom as an apple then think of the orbiting electron as a spec of dust. Then place the apple in the centre of a football,im Irish so I mean soccer, pitch and consider that football pitch is Camp Nou, the spec of dust would be on the outskirts of Barcelona. That's kinda the amount of space between the nucleus and electrons. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted May 18, 2018 #710 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, danydandan said: It's hard to imagine. But if you consider the nucleus of an atom as an apple then think of the orbiting electron as a spec of dust. Then place the apple in the centre of a football,im Irish so I mean soccer, pitch and consider that football pitch is Camp Nou, the spec of dust would be on the outskirts of Barcelona. That's kinda the amount of space between the nucleus and electrons. I have gotten the analogy that it is like two football fields. Knowing all that empty space is there just makes me think that it has to be quite possible to stick your hand or body through hard material such as a door. If you know how to manipulate the energy of the protons and electrons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 18, 2018 #711 Share Posted May 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: I have gotten the analogy that it is like two football fields. Knowing all that empty space is there just makes me think that it has to be quite possible to stick your hand or body through hard material such as a door. If you know how to manipulate the energy of the protons and electrons. It's one of the things that both unimaginably large and small at the same time. Interestingly it's theoretically possible to stop a cannon ball with a sheet of paper. Rutherford, in 1900 and something, was conducting experiments by firing particles at a very thin sheet of gold. What he seen was that some particles bounced back, this kinda led to the confirmation of the nucleus. That is kinda cool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted May 19, 2018 Author #712 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, psyche101 said: Have you wondered why Krauss is leading teams at the LHC and this whinger is writing news columns? Lawrence Krauss is currently suspended by the Arizona State University over sexual misconduct accusations. See: https://thewire.in/science/lawrence-krauss-sexual-harassment-allegations Edited May 19, 2018 by Brother_Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 19, 2018 #713 Share Posted May 19, 2018 36 minutes ago, Brother_Spirit said: Lawrence Krauss is currently suspended by the Arizona State University over sexual misconduct accusations. See: https://thewire.in/science/lawrence-krauss-sexual-harassment-allegations And as usual, you don't consider there might be two sides to the claim. https://www.skepticink.com/avant-garde/2018/02/23/krauss/ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IgAGpkAa2vwSMOtFD4iAfwfryTNJbJ_5/view You can't fault the work so you attack character Its astounding you would take the moral high ground considering the churches history with sexual misconduct. A lot of people who devoted their lives to God didn't get the strength they needed from him when it mattered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 19, 2018 #714 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Brother_Spirit said: Lawrence Krauss is currently suspended by the Arizona State University over sexual misconduct accusations. See: https://thewire.in/science/lawrence-krauss-sexual-harassment-allegations When people attack character rather than a body of work they prove how ignorant of that work they are. It's an ad hominem. Ever hear the saying. "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."? Edited May 19, 2018 by danydandan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted May 19, 2018 Author #715 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, danydandan said: When people attack character rather than a body of work they prove how ignorant of that work they are. It's an ad hominem. Ever hear the saying. "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."? I'm responding to a claim. Krauss isn't ''leading teams at the LHC''.. The reality is that he currently suspended with pay by his own University and various skeptic associations have taken their distances with him based on serious allegations... Not a ''hero'' I'd want to push at this point in time. Edited May 19, 2018 by Brother_Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted May 19, 2018 #716 Share Posted May 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Brother_Spirit said: I'm responding to a claim. Krauss isn't ''leading teams at the LHC''.. The reality is that he currently suspended with pay by his own University and various skeptic associations have taken their distances with him based on serious allegations... Not a ''hero'' I'd want to push at this point in time. Kind of how I feel about the god portrayed in the bible, except with him, they aren't allegations, they're boasts............ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted May 19, 2018 #717 Share Posted May 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Brother_Spirit said: I'm responding to a claim. Krauss isn't ''leading teams at the LHC''.. The reality is that he currently suspended with pay by his own University and various skeptic associations have taken their distances with him based on serious allegations... Not a ''hero'' I'd want to push at this point in time. Aren't your heros a lot worse? Warlords, murderers, rapists.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted May 19, 2018 #718 Share Posted May 19, 2018 On 17/05/2018 at 5:25 PM, danydandan said: I don't even know what Gnostic means. I thought it was to do with aquiring knowledge which led to salvation? I think the basic meaning is just "knowledge" - but has since become associated with knowledge of the divine. My point is that you cannot objectively know whether god does or doesn't exist. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted May 19, 2018 #719 Share Posted May 19, 2018 On 18/05/2018 at 7:43 AM, pallidin said: Do we have even any clue as to what caused an unimaginable influx of pure energy to create all that is? We have no clue. Zero. A completely pointless question from someone who hasn't bothered to learn the basics 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted May 19, 2018 #720 Share Posted May 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Brother_Spirit said: I'm responding to a claim. Krauss isn't ''leading teams at the LHC''.. The reality is that he currently suspended with pay by his own University and various skeptic associations have taken their distances with him based on serious allegations... Not a ''hero'' I'd want to push at this point in time. It's becoming abundantly clear that you can't actually address any of the points put forward. 3 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 19, 2018 #721 Share Posted May 19, 2018 He's torn his dress ... ~ [00.04:31] ~ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted May 19, 2018 #722 Share Posted May 19, 2018 13 hours ago, Brother_Spirit said: Lawrence Krauss is currently suspended by the Arizona State University over sexual misconduct accusations. See: https://thewire.in/science/lawrence-krauss-sexual-harassment-allegations First of all this have nothing to do with wether he is right or wrong about the topic. Secondly as I understand it they are allegations. People are innocent until proven guilty, right ? Thirdly as a christian are you going to go with the sexual miscounduct angle ? really ? 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted May 20, 2018 Author #723 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Emma_Acid said: It's becoming abundantly clear that you can't actually address any of the points put forward. Seems like you are not following the discussions. David Albert has done a great job at refuting Krauss' A Universe From Nothing. What makes no sense is to present Krauss as 'superior' (''leading teams at the LHC'') to Albert, especially when Krauss' reputation isn't so glamorous right now to say the least. Edited May 20, 2018 by Brother_Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 20, 2018 #724 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Log and splinters ... Quote ~ Matthew 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye ... biblehub.com/matthew/7-5.htm First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with ... beam from your eye, and then you will see clearly to cast out the splinter from ... ~ I think the Bible Literalists choked on sawdust even more than they were blinded with logs ... and that is saying a lot ... ~ 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted May 20, 2018 Author #725 Share Posted May 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Rlyeh said: Aren't your heros a lot worse? Warlords, murderers, rapists.. And which heros would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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