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Aquila King
2 hours ago, F3SS said:

Critical thinking? Wow bro. That’s like, so deep man. Actually, it’s stupid.

You're right. What I explained was so basic, I doubt 'critical thinking' is an accurate description.

I'd say it's just 'common sense', but unfortunately that's not all that common... <_<

2 hours ago, F3SS said:

Freedoms and rights don’t infringe on another’s. My gun doesn’t infringe on your rights and freedoms.

In your hands, that may well be the case. But in the hands of the mentally ill, a gun is often times the determining factor between people's right to life.

Stop painting this false narrative that us gun control advocates want to 'ban all guns'. What we want is sensible gun regulation. That's entirely different.

Me being pro gun-control does not mean I'm against your right to own a gun, it means I'm against someone who is mentally unstable from owning a gun.

2 hours ago, F3SS said:

Freedom to murder is inhumane and barbaric. These comebacks to guns and freedoms intended to discount and belittle, like owning nukes and freedom murder or else bearing arms and being free aren’t really real and we are idiots for thinking they are, are small minded and dimwitted.

I was making a reductio ad absurdum so as to prove a point.

Saying that strict gun control laws limits your freedoms is like saying that strict traffic laws limits your freedoms. Well naw duh, of course it does. Because if you drove around all willy nilly with no structure or order to any of it, the number of traffic deaths would skyrocket. Your right to life supercedes your right to drive around all over the place with no traffic laws. The same thing's true with gun control.

As for my murder laws analogy, it's rather extreme, but it does make the same point. You don't have the right to murder people, because murder infringes on people's right to life. It's that simple.

If you think that gun freedoms are more important than the death toll that rises because of it, then that's on you buddy.

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Aquila King
2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Seriously?

SERIOUSLY?

Mate, I’ve gotten into shouting matches with folks here over gun culture etc and Even I think that that post is daft. And insultingly tone deaf, and dare I even say ignorant? 

Those who oppose common sense gun regulation are contributing to more gun deaths every year because they refuse to acknowledge the proven statistics that show more guns + less gun control = more gun violence.

So if my words insult the delusions of others then quite frankly, I don't give a damn.

Though we're derailing a bit off-topic here, so this is my final post on this matter.

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Aquila King
1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

again to appeal to emotion Compassion

Fixed it for ya.

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AnchorSteam
14 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

In your hands, that may well be the case. But in the hands of the mentally ill, a gun is often times the determining factor between people's right to life.

....

You are making exactly the same generalization about gun-owners that you accused everyone on the Right of making about immigrants.

And being sanctimonious about it, too. 

There is a difference; you don't see any Conservatives trying to end the LEGAL immigration that brings over a million new citizens a year into the USA.  In order to justify your prejudice against us, we'd have to be lined up at the airports ready to shoot everyone trying to get into the country. 

And you never see that.

Do you know why?

Care to guess?

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Aquila King
5 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

You are making exactly the same generalization about gun-owners that you accused everyone on the Right of making about immigrants.

And being sanctimonious about it, too. 

Well s**t. I said I wasn't going into the gun debate here again, but whatever...

I'm advocating for sensible gun control measures that crack down specifically onto mentally ill individuals who do not have any good reason to own a gun. How exactly is that some broad 'generalization' against conservatives? That's literally the exact opposite.

You're the one arguing that everyone has the right to own a gun, and for little to no regulation. Regulations don't generalize against entire groups of people, they crack down on them on a case by case basis.

12 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

There is a difference; you don't see any Conservatives trying to end the LEGAL immigration that brings over a million new citizens a year into the USA.  In order to justify your prejudice against us, we'd have to be lined up at the airports ready to shoot everyone trying to get into the country.

Trump and his supporters supported banning ALL Muslims from entering the US. If that isn't a crack down on legal immigration, I don't know what is.

I rest my case.

13 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

And you never see that.

Do you know why?

Care to guess?

Perhaps because I don't see fairies and unicorns and trickle-down economics and whatnot?

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AnchorSteam
6 hours ago, Aquila King said:

I already know that Sweden's healthcare system, education system, etc. is far better than that of the US, so whatever senseless smear you wanna throw at Sweden is by definition irrelevant.

You are picking small pieces of the whole out and disallowing any and all discussion of how this is funded, who suffers for it and the net effect all that Socialism has on any other aspects of life in that country whatsoever. 

That in itself ought to tell any observer all they need to know about the truth of that system.

6 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Cry me a river. Whenever I or anyone else says something the least bit insulting you cry and moan like a little b****, all while Trump and his supporters can say just about every unimaginably disgustingly insulting thing, and they of course somehow get a free pass. I'm sick of it and I'm done. If you don't like it then you can go to your little safe space ya snowflake.

I've already justified my position, so there's no need to reiterate my point.

Classy.

No, actually, that sounds pretty damn desperate. 

6 hours ago, Aquila King said:

I'm an American citizen, this is my home, and I have a right to fight for the change my country needs....

And I have the right to fight back against your demands that I change the way I live in order to suit you.

That is exactly what this is.

Instead of going to this perfect place, you and your ilk want to make everyone in this country live the way you Socialists want ALL OF THE REST OF US TO LIVE.

You will empower the State, take away our guns and sit back and laugh while the Government's hired gunmen do your biding for you, which is forcing all the rest of We the People to conform to your vision of utopia. 

And if it turns out to be another Venezuela then you will just blame your own countrymen, as has always been the case in all of the places where Socialism fails.... which happens to be everywhere except Sweden. 

Sorry, not buying it, I don't hate myself and my country to be like you.

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AnchorSteam
5 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

You're the one arguing that everyone has the right to own a gun, and for little to no regulation. Regulations don't generalize against entire groups of people, they crack down on them on a case by case basis.

No, you are exactly wrong, regulations have to be applied equally to everyone.... right?

Or is the Left so deep into the normalization of corruption that you guys can't even see that anymore? 

BTW; where is the Quote where I was arguing for crazy people to have guns?

5 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

Trump and his supporters supported banning ALL Muslims from entering the US. If that isn't a crack down on legal immigration, I don't know what is.

I rest my case.

On a lie.

The Ban is for half a dozen Nations that comprise less than 8% of the the world's Muslims. 

5 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

Perhaps because I don't see fairies and unicorns and trickle-down economics and whatnot?

Perhaps flipping to economics in reply to a point about the mentality of Gun Owners is just plain wrong?

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Aquila King
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2 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

You are picking small pieces of the whole out and disallowing any and all discussion of how this is funded, who suffers for it and the net effect all that Socialism has on any other aspects of life in that country whatsoever. 

That in itself ought to tell any observer all they need to know about the truth of that system.

As a whole, those nations are statistically speaking the happiest and most financially well-off places on earth.

https://www.inverse.com/article/42364-happiest-countries-in-world-nordic-region

If you 'disagree', then you're living in a fantasy land that runs contrary to all polls, statistics, and data. And you wonder why I call you delusional?

2 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

And I have the right to fight back against your demands that I change the way I live in order to suit you.

That is exactly what this is.

Instead of going to this perfect place, you and your ilk want to make everyone in this country live the way you Socialists want ALL OF THE REST OF US TO LIVE.

You demand people who work full time on a minimum wage job to not earn enough money to survive.

You demand people who don't have enough money to pay for basic medical expenses to remain sick and in some cases die.

You demand all of our hard earned tax dollars be spent on stupid *snip* wars and trillion dollar tax cuts for the mega rich while our own people are starving and die.

YOU are telling US to live in this unnecessary nightmare, *snip*

2 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

No, you are exactly wrong, regulations have to be applied equally to everyone.... right?

Or is the Left so deep into the normalization of corruption that you guys can't even see that anymore? 

Oh come on. Under that logic there should be no laws ever, because they apply to everyone and generalize against everyone.

You know damn well that it applies to those who violate those regulations, you just don't like the regulations period.

2 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

BTW; where is the Quote where I was arguing for crazy people to have guns?

So you're pro-gun control? Great! Now why not fight back against the Republicans in Washington who do think that crazy people should have guns. After all, that's what they voted on.

2 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

On a lie.

The Ban is for half a dozen Nations that comprise less than 8% of the the world's Muslims. 

How in the world someone can deny what we have Trump ON TAPE calling for is beyond me.

Might as well have clear as day video footage of you cheating on your wife and you claim "I never did that."

I won't even waste my time linking the video to you, since you're clearly just straight-up delusional enough to deny crystal clear video footage.

2 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

Perhaps flipping to economics in reply to a point about the mentality of Gun Owners is just plain wrong?

Perhaps I was simply trying to get off the topic of guns considering that's not what this thread is about?

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Please refrain from the use of bad language. A calm and measured post, is far more effective, for getting your point across.

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Krater
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Aquila King said:

I was making a reductio ad absurdum so as to prove a point.

It's so shocking that the unemployed millennial is pushing for socialism.

Maybe you should spend your free time looking for a job instead of telling others how they should live their lives. ;)

Just proving a point...

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Ruby04
34 minutes ago, Krater said:

It's so shocking that the unemployed millennial is pushing for socialism.

Maybe you should spend your free time looking for a job instead of telling others how they should live their lives. ;)

Just proving a point...

Or maybe stop judging others because hey the job market for him like for myself in Australia is small.

Just proving a point to

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AnchorSteam
2 hours ago, Aquila King said:

As a whole, those nations are statistically speaking the happiest and most financially well-off places on earth.

https://www.inverse.com/article/42364-happiest-countries-in-world-nordic-region

If you 'disagree', then you're living in a fantasy land that runs contrary to all polls, statistics, and data. And you wonder why I call you delusional?

You keep making these judgements, and chastising me as being delusional because I disagree with you... and then you wonder why I am hesitant to accept YOUR side's ideas about laws that would prohibit gun ownership to the insane.

Who judges who is insane? According to you, I already am.

And as for that ad-filled site; I saw few stats and non at all that were sourced outside the article.

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You demand people who work full time on a minimum wage job to not earn enough money to survive.

You demand people who don't have enough money to pay for basic medical expenses to remain sick and in some cases die.

You demand all of our hard earned tax dollars be spent on stupid ass wars and trillion dollar tax cuts for the mega rich while our own people are starving and die.

YOU are telling US to live in this unnecessary nightmare, *snip*

Hey, calm down there.

1- the minimum wage was never intended to be the only wage, in fact it applies to only about 5% of the workforce. It is a starting wage for the kids in the fast-food joints and things like that. It isn't intended for a lifetime wage, and anyone that sees it that way is a loser. And BTW, since Black & Hispanic unemployment rates are now at all-time lows and 13 million fewer people need Food Stamps, I'd say that wages can only go up, on their own. The demand for labor is increasing and the supply is lower.... anyone with a basic grasp of economics knows what that means.

2- Yeah, right, in with the Marxist cartoon-logic again. NO, I just don't want to have to pay for another round of freebies for lifelong drug-addicts and for people who are in the USA illegally.

I am not responsible for other people's bad choices

3- I am in favor of a total withdrawal from the Muddle East, and NATO too.  And BTW- those tax cuts helped everyone, not just the usual straw-men. The bonus checks went out immediately, and corporations like Apple started bringing their HQs and their war-chests and their manufacturing back to America too.

So enough with the Berkeley chant-off.

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Oh come on. Under that logic there should be no laws ever, because they apply to everyone and generalize against everyone.

.... yeah, so?

Equality under the law is what makes it workable, unless you want to live under an authoritarian system. And you know, the most disturbing vibe I get from the Left lately is that you would prefer that.

Just as long as its your party that rules.

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You know damn well that it applies to those who violate those regulations, you just don't like the regulations period.

 

Well, I am a Libertarian, so.... yup!

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So you're pro-gun control? Great! Now why not fight back against the Republicans in Washington who do think that crazy people should have guns. After all, that's what they voted on.

I covered that up above. I think the insane should be locked up, not gun owners.

And BTW, in every nation ruled by Communists, not being a Communist was held to be a crime.

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How in the world someone can deny what we have Trump ON TAPE calling for is beyond me.

Might as well have clear as day video footage of you cheating on your wife and you claim "I never did that."

I won't even waste my time linking the video to you, since you're clearly just straight-up delusional enough to deny crystal clear video footage.

Then it probably does not make the point you are saying it does, but even if it did;  does it reflect anything in the Bill itself?

You are judging him by your own standards, but don't think that way... this isn't an irreversible and incremental step, that would be the Left's approach to banning all guns in private hands.

Unless it is written into the bill, what those spy tapes say is irrelevant. 

Once again, I have to remind  people that we are a Nation of Laws, not of men. The right isn't trying to elevate a personality to a status that is above all legality, as was the case with the Clintons and their fans. That is one of the reasons why I went over to the Right side. 

And if the Right tries to do that with Trump, I'll go straight back the other way again.

Period.

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Perhaps I was simply trying to get off the topic of guns considering that's not what this thread is about?

Something we can agree on; save the guns for the gun threads. 

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Sir Wearer of Hats
1 hour ago, Ruby04 said:

Or maybe stop judging others because hey the job market for him like for myself in Australia is small.

Just proving a point to

Unemployment in Australia is at about 5%. Sounds like a pretty good figure to me.

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I fill like the amount of tax revenue needed would just make the cost of living go up.

350 million people times 1k + the cost of the agency and survives to administer it. Everymonth

That is alot of money lol

You would have to tax alot which would make prices of things rise for business to maintaine a profit 

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preacherman76
13 hours ago, Aquila King said:

It's like you're blissfully unaware of the literally trillions of dollars of tax cuts Trump and the Republicans gave to the super rich, or that 0.1% of Americans own more wealth then the other 99.9% combined, or that we've wasted trillions of dollars (if you count interest) in Iraq alone, much less any other wasted military venture.

The money's there, it's just not in your paycheck. It's in the pockets of those scammers you voted for.

Yes Im aware of the job saving tax breaks that are already bringing companies back to the country. See come to find out, when you over tax companies, they look for and leave to places where taxes are lower, where wages are lower. Also there is more money in my pay check. Not only am I paying less taxes, these tax breaks put me in a position where I felt much more comfortable asking for a raise.

I honestly don't understand the fairy tail world you think we should live in. No one owes you anything. Not the rich, or the middle class. The only thing that you will succeed in is driving away millions of jobs.

I am not a victim of the rich. Neither are you, or anyone else. You do not have the moral high ground to take the money said companies have earned. If it ever comes down to you being able to rob these people, they are just going to take their ball and leave. Then where will we be? And what's the most amazing, you cant even conceive these facts.

This is Marxist ideology 1 0 1. Try to make everyone believe they are victims. Make everyone believe they are entitled to take what they haven't earned.

I agree on the Iraq thing though, and every other ME war we have waged. If it were up to me we would have never set foot in any of them.  

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RavenHawk
On 4/25/2018 at 12:31 PM, Aquila King said:

Well good for you. As for me, the only interest I have in the founding fathers is that they are represented accurately.

Sure you do.  Your view point proves it - NOT.  Well, I care very much that they are represented accurately.  I spend a lot of time doing so.  There’s plenty of room to debate specific issues, but the intent is clear.  The Founding Fathers were against any form of government that was Authoritarian or Totalitarian.  And every government but one falls within that category.  And that one teeters from time to time.  But the system devised works.  It keeps us disciplined enough to keep us out of the Socialism trap.

 

Beyond that I don't really care.

Obviously. 

 

You're childishly attaching your political ideology to them, and then using them as a means of justifying it.  The founding fathers were not far right-wing extremists like you are. That's just a simple fact.

When did I ever say I was a far right-wing extremist?  I believe that I pointed out that I am perhaps the most centrist poster here.  My political ideology is based in the ideology of the Founding Fathers.  If it was not, then I’d be spouting Socialism just like you.  But I know better.

 

It's like if I were to say "Jesus was a socialist! You don't wanna disagree with Jesus do you?" It's stupid. No he wasn't, and know they aren't.

For one, that wouldn’t be in Jesus’ character.  I wouldn’t disagree with Jesus, I would disagree with you.  Who said the Founding fathers were right-wing?  They were radicals of their times, Conservative at heart because they developed a rational form of government.  They were not anarchists, which most socialists have to be.

 

They didn't share my exact same ideology, but they sure as hell didn't share yours either.

CoughBULLcoughSHITcoughcough.  Like Hell they did.  Technically speaking, it’s that I share their ideology and that ideology is not socialism.  It was anything but.  They gave us our current form of government in response to socialist-like governments (tyranny).  Socialism is fertile ground for tyranny.

 

And once again, quite frankly, I don't care.

I believe you.

 

I only care about what's actually best for the American people. If that means opposing the views of the founding fathers, then so be it. Because doing what's best for the people is more important then doing what our founders intended.

Then you don’t care about America.  If you cared then it would be of utmost import to stay true to the intentions of the Founding Fathers.  The ideology that they gave us is what is best.

 

It's at least comforting to know that you aren't advocating for a Christian Theocracy like many right-wingers are. Contrary to what you might think, there are many in the religious right who do advocate for this nation to be a Christian Theocracy. So given the innumerable abhorrent positions you hold, at least this doesn't seem to be one of them.

This is your reply to what I just said?  WOW, talk about deflection.  I shoot you down and facts don’t matter and you continue to espouse anything that pops into that head of yours.  Unbelievable!

 

“Many”?  I really doubt that.  Conservatives would like to see a return to GOD but that is far from seeing a Theocracy.  Conservatives follow the intentions of the Founding Fathers, so how could they be for a Theocracy?  That is ignorance on your part.  You are clearly unaware of the positions I hold and I’ve explained them ad nauseum and it appears to still be over your head.

 

I have no need to justify myself to you. No matter what I say or what sources I provide, you'll simply continue to insist that the founding fathers support your position when they don't, and as I've already said numerous times before, I just don't care.

You can’t justify yourself.  You’ve been shown wrong time after time again.  And you still don’t learn.  The point is that the Founding Fathers don’t support my position, I support theirs.  Yes, we know you don’t care.  That proves the point.

 

What the founding fathers have to say on most issues holds little to know weight with me. What matters is what is objectively best for the people in this time period, not the opinions of a group of people over 200 years ago.

That is obvious.  That’s why you support Socialism.  Why do you argue that?  For you, it shouldn’t matter if the Founding Fathers are represented accurately or not.  The opinion of the Founding Fathers from 200 years ago is tried and true fact today.  It is still relevant.  The Founding Fathers knew human nature all too well.  The Founding Documents are based in human nature.  What is objectively best for the people is to hold true to the intentions of the Founding Fathers.  A group that you have now rejected several times.

 

Sigh... Let me repeat myself (for some stupid reason)...

Why?  You are trying to win an unwinnable argument.

 

When I advocate for 'Socialism', I am advocating for simply for the most part expanding on currently established government instituted social programs that have been objectively proven to benefit people overall. I'm advocating for public schooling, universal healthcare coverage, a living wage, things like that.

Well, those social programs should have never been established or expanded as most are unconstitutional anyway.  We just tolerate them as Jefferson pointed out.  Eventually, there comes a time when it becomes just too much and they must be done away with.  Where I might partially agree with you is on public schooling, but where has any of that benefited the Republic?  Those are things that create special interest groups and it is harmful for the government to pay for special interest groups.  Do you not understand why?  When government begins to single out certain groups for special treatment, it stops being a government “OF” the people.  That’s where corruption and tyranny enter.  That goes for any group from corporatists to socialists.  And Crony Capitalism is really just another form of Socialism.

 

You may very well disagree with me here and say that placing our tax dollars into such social programs are somehow not beneficial for some reason,

Gee, how’d you guess?!

 

but I don't for the life of me understand why you keep treating this as if I'm advocating for something so outright 'evil'.

I don’t know if it is really evil but it is despicable.  It is harmful to the foundation of this country.  You don’t see where it leads to and that isn’t something that is benevolent.

 

How is insuring that someone doesn't die simply because they don't have enough money for their medical bills 'evil'? How is insuring that those who are smart enough and studious enough to go to college yet can't go due to tuition costs (or if they do go they live under insanely high student loan debt) can go inherently 'evil'? How is insuring that those who work full time actually make enough money to live off their earnings so darn 'evil'?

For the first thing, that is not up to the government to determine.  Secondly, that’s not *insuring* the people.  It might be *insuring* cogs for the state.  Another word for it is enslaving.  There is a basic key understanding of leadership where those in leadership do not put themselves in a position to be able to take from the people.  That is detrimental to the human condition.  A well-known axiom is that anything a government can give to the people, it can take away.  In times of plenty, there’s no problem but in times of hardship taking things from the people is harmful.  And these times fluctuate.  And it always returns back to the ability of the individual to be able to support themselves.  In the long run, dole creates dependency.  Government should never have that kind of control over the people.  I suppose that doesn’t faze you at all?

 

Have you ever visited a national park?  Did you notice signage requesting that visitors not feed the animals?  Do you have any idea why?  It is because that if the animals begin to depend on humans for their food, they lose their ability to hunt for their own.  In essence, this is what happens in a society where the people have cradle to grave care by the government.  It is the natural state of Man to be able to take care of himself and his family.  It is his self-interest.  This is such a core element to our existence.  You take that right away and Man stagnates and dies.  You create more suffering and death.

 

What else can a government do other than wasting money to bring down healthcare costs?  Something given for free doesn’t have the same value as something that is earned.  That’s a key to building the wealth of a nation.  A national healthcare system always leads to rationing and quality of life vs end of life determinations.  And as resources dwindle, the range for QoL narrow.  Is that healthy to have the state dictate to you when your life should end?  Where’s the dignity in that?

 

Not everyone is cut out to go to college.  Why spend thousands of dollars sending someone that will not complete college especially with money not earned?  That causes prices to go up as people not focused on graduating take up resources for those that will graduate.  That is wasteful.  College is overrated.  There are vocational schools that can get more people out into the work force faster.  I’ve proposed a two-year service by high school grads toward needs of the nation, i.e. disaster relief to border patrol, during which time they gain valuable experience in things from first aid to handling heavy construction equipment.  Then, after a bit more maturing might be ready to enter college.  A program like that would bring a high value ROI.

 

As has already been pointed out, if you give people a salary that they haven’t earned robs them of the ability to achieve.  Why should they work harder when they’ve got it made?  To be motivated to improve one’s position?  There is no incentive to do better work.  You get what you pay for.  You see that in socialist countries all over the planet.  A few do thrive in that environment but it only benefits a few.  What would the government (if anything) have to do to expand that out so that all can benefit?  One way would be to show leadership.  To encourage the population.  Tell people that, yes, they can build it.  Maybe create PSAs on the history of this nation and strategies of entrepreneurship, money management, etc.  Instill the Invisible Hand.

 

You aren't listening to what I'm proposing here.

I believe I have and I have answered you why it doesn’t work.  You haven’t thought it out - why?

 

All I'm asking for are some basic social safety nets that insure that all Americans have an equal opportunity to succeed.

No, you are not.  You’re asking for equal outcome.  A simple fact of life is that everyone is not equal.  People excel because they are more talented than others in a particular field.  And because they excel, they innovate new things.  If incentive is removed because everyone is paid the same, where is the motivation to be innovative?  People should be paid on merit and they should be allowed to keep the fruits of their labor.  If a safety net is needed then wouldn’t it be wise to find out why one was needed instead of throwing money away?  Why is it that a person doesn’t have enough money?  Is it always because the economy is slow?  Or could it be because the individual doesn’t know how to manage their money?

 

Something like infrastructure and roads benefits every single person.  Any one person may not drive down a particular road but the truck that brings supplies to your neighborhood store just might.  Maintaining the ability for commerce and work between neighborhoods, cities, and states provides equal opportunity.  Don’t undercut the individual’s ability to succeed on his own.

 

That's it. I'm not anti-capitalist, I'm not against the free market,

Yes, you are.  You have stated such.  You have claimed to be a socialist.  You call for equal outcome.  There is nothing more anti-capitalist/free market as that.  When you propose that everyone get some set salary from the government, you defeat capitalism and the free market.  You just don’t understand those terms or human nature.

 

Now if the government actually produced something and treated every citizen as a shareholder, we would get a dividend check.  That’s a bit different.  But what business can the government get into and be competitive?  It could try to nationalize the oil and coal business but roughly in 1 to 2 hundred years, our dependence on fossil fuels will have waned.  So that’s not feasible for the long term.  It’s best to let the free market handle the money.  And relegate the government to maintain the Five Charges.

 

I'm simply against letting people suffer and die with no way out of their financial holes.

It’s simply that that you can’t keep people from suffering but you can cause more suffering with the unintended consequences from ill-placed kindness.  When people are in the state of starvation, the initial reaction is to show compassion and feed them.  But starving people gorge themselves and die from cardiac arrest.  They can’t handle a lot of food right away.  In a general sense, the same thing happens to people that are not use to having wealth.  A better way is to find a way that the individual can get themselves out of their financial hole.

 

If you don’t solve the problem in the first place, the suffering will continue.  Throwing money at the problem does not solve the problem.  Most people in financial problems are there because of their own actions.  Or they can’t manage the money they do have.  To squander tax payer’s wealth on others harms tax payers and the health of the nation.  Where’s your compassion for them?  The government is tasked with being responsible with the tax payer’s money.  you want a system where travesties like with Alfie Evans occur?  It will when your concern is with the money.  A national healthcare system sounds very compassionate on paper, but in practice it quickly fails to serve those it intended to.  And we’re at that point in Europe.

 

I don't want people to die because of lack of healthcare, I don't want people to work full time and not make enough to survive, and I don't want those who are smart enough to get ahead to be denied that right simply because they weren't born into money. How in the hell is that 'evil'?

The desire isn’t evil, it is the implementation.  Welcome to the real world.  These are all challenges that Man has faced since the beginning of time.  Healthcare can be a lot better by allowing interstate competition, tort reform, establishing more concierge medicine, breaking up Big Pharma, etc.  You don’t need to go to college to get ahead.  All smart people don’t go to college.  College is overrated and needs to be revamped.  It needs to refocus on higher learning and get away from Socialist indoctrination.  No one is denied the right.  It is up to the individual to do what they need to do to get what they deem important.  he individual needs to learn how to prioritize.  How do you think those that are wealthy made their money and hang on to it?  They now how to manage it.

 

Need I remind you that you have outright advocated for murdering innocent civilians as legitimate targets of war,

Why are you trying to make a big deal of this?  In war, civilians are legitimate targets.  That doesn’t mean that if you see a civilian, to go ahead and kill them.  It depends on what the target is and their relationship to it is? 

 

nuking entire countries thereby massacring millions of innocent people,

I don’t advocate nuking entire countries but I do acknowledge the need to keep the option on the table.  At some point in the future, someone is going to launch a strike and the only possible response will be a strike in kind.  But that would be the last possible option left.

 

implementing torture (one of the worst civil rights abuses in the world, and a blatant violation of international law),

You can’t legislate war.  The first rule of war is that there are no rules.  International law is an artificial construct.  There is no way to enforce it, except after the fact and only if your side wins.  As far as torture goes, it is an integral part of war.  Nobody said that torture is supposed to be nice.  War and peace are two different things.  They have completely different sensibilities.  But I guess that goes way over your head.

 

murdering the innocent women and children of suspected terrorists, etc.

Even the children of your enemy harbors the same ideology.  History shows that the children carry on the ideology of the parent.  That’s what makes them legitimate targets.  Again, that doesn’t mean to go out of your way to do so.

 

Yet you want to call me evil for wanting to insure that people are provided basic healthcare, etc.? Don't make me laugh.

So what does this last bit have to do with safety nets and socialism?  I’m not calling you evil, just mislead, which encourages evil.  Killing people in war, especially your enemy is not evil.  And you’re not providing basic healthcare, etc.  You are creating slaves of your own people.  It’s sad that you show more compassion for others over your own people.

 

I've already put you in your place multiple times over before on here. Yet it does no good since no matter what move I make in this little chess game, you only ever just s**t all over the board and strut about like you 'won' the game anyway.

Don’t make me laugh.  Let’s not get into a p***ing contest that you’ve already lost.  I take the time to counter everything you spew out, and you pretty much ignore those points.  Several others do the same and you remain clueless.  The only **** is yours.

 

You are what many describe as 'too far gone'. I pity you.

I find that the more unaware one is, the more descriptive they are of their own mindset.  And you are completely unaware.  The only reason I bother is that it helps clear my thoughts.

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21 hours ago, Krater said:

It's so shocking that the unemployed millennial is pushing for socialism.

Maybe you should spend your free time looking for a job instead of telling others how they should live their lives. ;)

Just proving a point...

For your information, I've been unemployed for years because I have PTSD and have suffered from extreme levels of social phobia which hinder my ability to function due to my father repeatedly raping me when I was younger. I'm currently on medication and have been seeing a therapist for years, and am slowly but surely on the road to recovery. I've already sent in god knows how many applications to places, but it's hard to convince someone to hire you when you have an inexplicable unemployment gap due to these personal issues I just described.

I have more than enough of a legitimate reason given my circumstances for me being in the situation that I'm in. Yet all you conservatives tend to do is point a judgmental finger and play the blame game. Yes, I'm currently unemployed, and it sure as hell isn't by choice or by 'laziness' on my part, so if you don't like it then quite frankly you can kiss my ass.

Any other ass holes on here who wish to patronize me for this? Cause I'd be more than happy to put you in your place as well.

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2 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

The only reason I bother is that it helps clear my thoughts.

Good for you. As for me I won't bother with you any further. Everything you stand for disgusts me to no end, and there's not a damn thing anyone can ever say or do to reason with you on it. Consider this conversation done. I won't reason with you, I'll just fight elsewhere and vote to make sure that not a damn bit of what you support ever gets implemented in the future.

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5 hours ago, Aquila King said:

....

Any other ass holes on here who wish to patronize me for this? Cause I'd be more than happy to put you in your place as well.

Actually, I was wondering why you skipped right past my post, but Raven's magnum opus kinda went on a bit, so...

 

And given all of the above, I would suggest that your involvement in threads that get you so riled up is counter-productive to your recovery.

Serious as a heart-attack here, and since you laid all your cards out like that, you knew somebody was going to have to say something

 

If you trust your therapist, link him to this thread and as him if he thinks this stuff is doing you any good.

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Hope you find a job AK. 

Put ur mind at ease.

Look to the future.

It's a struggle.. we all face.

By reading your posts you have a lot to offer...

Be good to yourself.

Refrain from projecting how others should be

Be you

Lead by example.

 

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Posted (edited)
8 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Any other ass holes on here who wish to patronize me for this? Cause I'd be more than happy to put you in your place as well.

First off, making pitiful excuses for yourself is not putting anyone in their place. There is always a job available to anyone that really wants to work. Always. Your victim mentality is very telling. Until you become a contributing member of society instead of a leech on it, your opinion on these matters means Jack Squat.

Second, I am not a conservative. Not everyone fits into your little preconceived boxes. :)

Finally, clean up your immature language lest you continue to look like a child throwing a tantrum.

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On April 26, 2018 at 10:00 PM, Ruby04 said:

Or maybe stop judging others because hey the job market for him like for myself in Australia is small.

Just proving a point to

Complete BS.

It may not be the job you want, but there are always jobs for those that are actually willing to work.

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2 hours ago, Krater said:

Complete BS.

It may not be the job you want, but there are always jobs for those that are actually willing to work.

For you maybe but I got fired for heat stroke in Aussie Summer. 

 

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3 hours ago, Krater said:

Complete BS.

It may not be the job you want, but there are always jobs for those that are actually willing to work.

You mean eventually? Right? Sometimes it takes a long time to find a job. I was unemployed for nearly a year on one occasion. I'd put applications in everywhere and it didn't matter to me what the job was, but I couldn't get anybody to hire me. Of course a bad economy at the time in the area I lived in probably didn't help either, but I thought there would be at least somebody out there who needed help. That apparently wasn't the case.

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On 4/23/2018 at 12:52 PM, Aquila King said:

I went on the dude's website and read quite a bit of his policy positions. It's a lengthy read to read them all, so I'll have to return to it later, but so far it seems I agree with him very strongly on almost every point.

Well, if this guy is someone that many far left progressives would like.... I can pretty much guarantee that he's not going to even get to run.... The DNC machine doesn't allow people like that to actually run for office.

On 4/23/2018 at 1:13 PM, Aquila King said:

Not sure if you actually read the article you posted, but here's an excerpt that goes against your narrative here:

(bold added)

Quote

Olli Kangas, an expert involved in the trial, told the Finnish public broadcaster YLE: “Two years is too short a period to be able to draw extensive conclusions from such a big experiment. We should have had extra time and more money to achieve reliable results.”

 

It strikes me that this is always what the Progressives say... If only we'd spent a ton more... We'd know it would work. After the 2008 stock dump, Progressives blamed the tepid recovery on the lack of even more spending then Obama spent...

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4 hours ago, Krater said:

First off, making pitiful excuses for yourself is not putting anyone in their place. There is always a job available to anyone that really wants to work. Always. Your victim mentality is very telling. 

I worked temp jobs for a while 25+ years ago. It was a hard time for working in a small town in Southern Oregon. I worked a number of jobs, such as packaging at a tree farm, where the work was brutal, and it paid by the unit packed of trees. I saw perhaps 90% of people quitting on Day One. I, myself, made like $7 an hour by busting my hump. I spoke to one guy who worked 2 hours and made 2 dollars. 

Point being... There is always work, but many people are not going to do that work. 

I think people are just getting soft and pampered. They have expectations of easy work paying lots of money with zero education and zero experience. But it just doesn't happen that way, unless by nepotism, or luck.

We're producing generations of people who are holding out Victim Mentality and making demands of easy work and lots of money.

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