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Farmer77

 

7 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

How so? 

In the context of this conversation conservatives used to be about facts, now you're all about feelings, but there are many more similarities. Conservatives used to be about morality, now youre all about whataboutism. Conservatives used to be about personal accountability now you're all about playing the victim. Conservatives used to be all about law and order, now law and order is wholly relative to how it benefits your party or position. 

Seriously the GOP and their voters are a dysfunctional clone of the Clinton era democrats and their followers.  Its quite the thing to watch happen. 

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DieChecker

A relatively new list to mull over... Counting down.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/23/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked-2/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.935e8ccf31d8

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15. Montana Gov. Steve Bullock 

14. Oprah Winfrey

13. New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu

12. Former U.S. attorney general Eric Holder 

11. New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo 

10. Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown

9. Former Massachusetts governor Deval Patrick 

8. Former Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe 

7. Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy 

6. New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand 

5. New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker

4. California Sen. Kamala D. Harris 

3. Former vice president Joe Biden 

2. Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren 

1. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders

Oprah? Glad she officially said no. That would be a true circus.

I think McAuliffe would be a fair choice. or Gillibrand, if they NEED to run a woman. 

I think Booker would loose though he's a good man, AFAIK.

I think Sanders, or Warren, would not play well to the center.

Leaving who I said earlier... Biden... as the natural choice.

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RavenHawk
On 5/4/2018 at 6:48 AM, Farmer77 said:

In the context of this conversation conservatives used to be about facts,

And Conservatives still are.  I can’t sit down and watch the MSM anymore without laughing my self silly.  You brought up Foxnews, well Hannity hits you with the facts, and I mean *ALL* the facts.  Sometimes he does get a bit overly involved.

 

now you're all about feelings,

Well, Conservatives are both but not what you consider as *feelings*.  If I walk outside and see a cloudy sky, and the humidity is up, and it’s rained the last two days, my feeling is that it is going to rain again today.  For a Conservative, having a ‘feeling’ is understanding the character of the situation, a basic understanding of how things work.  Progressives don’t operate that way.  Progressive feelings are based in wishful thinking.  You see that daily in the MSM, Hollywood, or on the floor of Congress.

 

but there are many more similarities.

There are no similarities.  Progressives and Conservatives are diametrically opposite.  Now Rinos and Progressives are very similar.  You can’t rely on labels anymore.  You can only go on actions.  And even then, many times you have to take a wait and see attitude.

 

Conservatives used to be about morality, now youre all about whataboutism.

And Conservatives still are about morality.  Morality and whataboutism have nothing to do with each other.  You’re talking about the double standard that Progressives get away with.  If I had done a fraction of what Hilary has done, I’d be sent away to Leavenworth for 20 years hard labor.  Flynn gets indicted on perjury because he may or may not have lied to an FBI agent?  And yet several Hilary and Obama underlings get immunity and their testimonies aren’t recorded?

 

Conservatives used to be about personal accountability now you're all about playing the victim.

Conservatives are playing the victim?  Hello?  What is the number of excuses why Hilary lost up to now?  At least several hundred.  Conservatives have been screaming about personal accountability since the TEA Party began.

 

Conservatives used to be all about law and order, now law and order is wholly relative to how it benefits your party or position. 

Are you serious?  Under whose Administration was it encouraged to riot?  Several neighborhoods across this country were destroyed because the Progressives wanted anarchy.  Antifa and BLM carried on passed the election bringing violence to shut up anyone that didn’t agree with them.

 

Seriously the GOP and their voters are a dysfunctional clone of the Clinton era democrats and their followers. 

That’s deplorables to you.  I think you are trying too hard.  Ease up a bit, you’ll rip a labia.  Much of what you describe are Progressive traits.  What you are thinking is that the political system in this country has changed several times.  Always two basic parties, but in time they begin to morph and merge and form two new political “sides”.  Both had the best interest of this nation at heart.  But since socialism had invaded, that old paradigm was replaced with Pro-Constitution vs. anti-Constitution.  If Trump doesn’t succeed, then I fear that this nation is heading toward another civil war in which it will never recover.  But that’s what Socialism does to nations.  If it doesn’t consume them by subjugation, it consumes them with devastation.

 

Its quite the thing to watch happen. 

Not really.  Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy watching you, the MSM, Hollywood, Deep state, Never Trumpters, etc. make fools of yourselves, but ultimately, if this Phony War isn’t won soon, this nation will be destroyed.  The Progressives cannot be allowed to do that.

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Farmer77
4 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Flynn gets indicted on perjury because he may or may not have lied to an FBI agent?  And yet several Hilary and Obama underlings get immunity and their testimonies aren’t recorded?

Kinda making my argument for me. Law and order don't matter, only that your people get away with the same stuff as the others. Party over nation. 

4 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

But since socialism had invaded, that old paradigm was replaced with Pro-Constitution vs. anti-Constitution.

So it was socialism who gave us the Patriot act and tried to ban all muslims from entering the nation? Hmmm may want to double check that 

4 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Ease up a bit, you’ll rip a labia. 

Hey we got a badass over here :lol:

 

 

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1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Kinda making my argument for me. Law and order don't matter, only that your people get away with the same stuff as the others. Party over nation. 

That is about as lame as a one-legged Elephant and you know it.

If the last 30 years of politics in the US have show us anything, the ditzy nice guys who play be the rules (Bushes) get trampled and left behind by the slick operators and dirty-dealers.

Putting Party over all else is exactly what we have been calling your side out for all this time, and it never even slowed you down. When one side and one side only plays by the rules all they do is look stupid and then lose it all.

And if you don't like the standards that YOU introduced (or supported the Jackals that introduced them) then I suggest all of you try something new; make a stand on principles, instead of "well, he's a b******, but at least he (or she) is OUR b******."

But I'm just whistling in the dark here, ain't I?

1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

So it was socialism who gave us the Patriot act and tried to ban all muslims from entering the nation? Hmmm may want to double check that 

YOU might want to check that, and then copme back and tell us who tried to ban all 1.3 Billion Muslims from getting into the country. 

1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Hey we got a badass over here :lol:

 

No, just bad actors.

More bad behavior learned from too much TV news.

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Posted (edited)
34 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

That is about as lame as a one-legged Elephant and you know it.

No I really don't. That's really part of why Trump p***es me off so thoroughly. Even as my political views wandered away from mainstream politics I continued to conservative politics in relatively high esteem due to the firm moral ground they were based on.

That's gone now. Law and order doesn't matter, just making sure the other guy doesn't win. Truth doesn't matter as long as your guy is POTUS. Balanced budget, meh who needs those. Morality ? Phhhhh that's an outdated concept. Being a gentleman :lol: gone and replaced with casual cruelty. Oh and while it doesn't necessarily fall under a moral issue Tort reform used to be one of the most important issues to conservatives, which is honestly almost unbelievable considering who the party sold its soul to. 

Even if those behaviors were nothing more than a veneer, I appreciated the respect putting on that veneer showed to the nation and its people. 

34 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

Putting Party over all else is exactly what we have been calling your side out for all this time, and it never even slowed you down. When one side and one side only plays by the rules all they do is look stupid and then lose it all.

Generally speaking since about 2005 my side is the one that's not in power. And again you're making my point, conservatives no longer care about playing by the rules (as you just admitted). That's fine, just don't pretend youre something youre not. 

34 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

YOU might want to check that, and then copme back and tell us who tried to ban all 1.3 Billion Muslims from getting into the country. 

Well Trump did , and then he realized that wouldn't work so he moved to plan B which didn't work, I think plan F finally got past the Supreme Court. 

 

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AnchorSteam
2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Generally speaking since about 2005 my side is the one that's not in power.

And what would that be, Christian Democrat Socialists? :rolleyes:

You are about as Conservative as Peanut Butter on a Hamburger, so lets not even go there, okay?

2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Well Trump did , and then he realized that wouldn't work so he moved to plan B which didn't work, I think plan F finally got past the Supreme Court. 

 

As they say in Missouri, show me.

Because the non-fictional version has always been centered around half a dozen countries making up 8% of the total of the world's muslim populations. The delaysall revolved around semantics, as have the delays in confirming several hundred of Trumps appointments. 

Obstruction for it's own sake is a game that isn't helping anyone.

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7 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

And what would that be, Christian Democrat Socialists? :rolleyes:

You are about as Conservative as Peanut Butter on a Hamburger, so lets not even go there, okay?

Oh my views have veered so far left that I truly believe Obama was a mass murderer.  That said even going into the 2016 election I trusted conservatives much much more than democrats. Of course that's completely out the window now. 

Seriously if youre ever bored go read the Hillary threads from during the election. I was begrudgingly rooting for Trump. 

9 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

As they say in Missouri, show me.

Donald Trump: Ban all Muslim travel to U.S.

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"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.

Giuliani: Trump asked me how to do a Muslim ban 'legally' which is when he realized he couldn't do what he wanted to and had to move to plan B, C D and F 

11 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

Because the non-fictional version has always been centered around half a dozen countries making up 8% of the total of the world's muslim populations. The delaysall revolved around semantics, as have the delays in confirming several hundred of Trumps appointments.

No that's the non fictional result of reality hitting Trump in the face. He wanted it, he called for it, he tried to get it. In the end he went with the list that his lawyers told him had a chance to get past the supremes. 

 

12 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

as have the delays in confirming several hundred of Trumps appointments. 

He keeps picking horrible people . With folks like Sam Clovis (the non scientist appointed as chief scientist for the USDA) , and that lawyer who had never tried a trial being appointed as a judge its a damn good thing his appointments are being examined very carefully by the senate.

 

 

 

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Paranormal Panther
33 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

You are about as Conservative as Peanut Butter on a Hamburger, so lets not even go there, okay

That's a new one. Did you make that up, or is that an old saying that I never heard before?

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51 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said:

That's a new one. Did you make that up, or is that an old saying that I never heard before?

I have no idea where that one came from... sometimes things pop into my head and sometimes they work. 

.... I'm still wondering if that one actually does or not.

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Farmer77
5 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

.... I'm still wondering if that one actually does or not.

I like it as a change of pace for sure! 

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RavenHawk
58 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said:

That's a new one. Did you make that up, or is that an old saying that I never heard before?

It's as common as green chile in pierogi.

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RavenHawk
3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Kinda making my argument for me. Law and order don't matter,

No…, that’s my point.  Law and order doesn’t matter to Progressives.

 

only that your people get away with the same stuff as the others.

Like Hell.  Like I just said, Hilary can get away with high crimes and Progressives ignore it.  Yet someone’s life is ruined when in most cases they would be just fired.  Progressives are intent in impeaching the President over a non-crime that there is absolutely no evidence for.  Meanwhile, breaking serious laws that have damaged this nation by crimes committed in the previous Administration.

 

Party over nation. 

It’s not even that.  Socialism has all but destroyed Party.

 

So it was socialism who gave us the Patriot act and tried to ban all muslims from entering the nation? Hmmm may want to double check that 

Wow!  What does that have to do with anything?  The original concept of the Patriot Act was appropriate, but the Progressives twisted it, so the Progressives didn’t give it to us, they learned how to weaponize it against American Citizens.  No one is trying to ban all Muslims from entering this country.  If that were the case, wouldn’t we be banning them from coming from Indonesia?  In case you don’t understand the reference, Indonesia is the most populace Muslim nation.

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Farmer77
6 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

  No one is trying to ban all Muslims from entering this country. 

Only due to the legal realities involved. Otherwise I posted Trump's stated intent from 2015 and again after he spoke with Giuliani. Dude wanted to ban all muslims, the law just stopped him from doing so. 

 

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3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Only due to the legal realities involved. Otherwise I posted Trump's stated intent from 2015 and again after he spoke with Giuliani. Dude wanted to ban all muslims, the law just stopped him from doing so. 

No, he didn’t want to ban all Muslims.  Granted he is not a politician and was still in campaign mode.  I took his intent as perhaps did most Conservatives that he meant he wanted to ban all those that he should.  If you recall, his ban was an idea expanded on of the EO Obama signed.  These countries in the ban did not have proper screening capabilities.  The subtleties are lost on Progressives.  The Law is on his side.  He has to deal with activist judges applying the law according to their socialist understanding.  The last time I looked we didn’t elect these judges.  8 US Code 1182(f) strictly states that the President can ban anyone he pleases, if he feels that they are a danger to this country.  That’s the law!  That’s why when this is settled in the Supreme Court, he (and America) will win and it will set the precedence here on out.  Trump is using the system to defeat those that abuse it.  Actually, I don’t think he cares as much about the ban as he does about draining the swamp and this will be a fundamental step toward that.

Pure, core Islam is anti-American and some 74% still support Sharia Law.  That other 26% are basically Muslim in name only.  They are the targets of ISIS and such.  All Muslims are carriers of a dangerous ideology and that ideology must be controlled.  And for the most part, Muslims that come here for a better life are more or less non-practicing.  They become part of their community.  The Orthodox Muslim believes that no matter where they go, they are strangers in a strange land and can never assimilate into any other community but the Ummah.  It is because of immunity or I should say because immunity has been revoked from all non-Muslims.  And that is a source of aggravation.  Those just tolerate the non-Muslim until they can control society. 

As long as our society stays strong, we have no problem.  But Socialism weakens societies.  The Hijrah in Europe is doing just that and it’s just going to grow.  The problem isn’t those Muslims that have made a conscious decision to be American first, it is their offspring and when they get to that certain age, begin to search for who they are.  And because Muslims are carriers of the ideology, many will seek a pure path.  They will hear the call to faith.  But as long as the Gates of Ijtihad remain closed, the President as well as all Americans must guard against such a spread of ideology.  But for most American Muslims, the gates are open.  Most American Muslims have a difficult life here; they must make a daily decision to be an American first or Muslim first.  They can’t be both.  If you have a neighbor that is Muslim, help them be an American first.  But that’s hard to do these days with the prevalent Progressive/Socialist mentality.

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Farmer77
Posted (edited)
13 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

No, he didn’t want to ban all Muslims.  Granted he is not a politician and was still in campaign mode.  I took his intent as perhaps did most Conservatives that he meant he wanted to ban all those that he should. 

If you recall: 

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/index.html

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Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.

Rudy Giuliani Admits Trump Asked How to Implement a Muslim Ban Legally

He wanted to ban all muslims. He said he wanted to ban all muslims, his friend and attorney said he wanted to ban all muslims.  He asked how to do it legally and found out you couldn't. 

13 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

The last time I looked we didn’t elect these judges.  8 US Code 1182(f) strictly states that the President can ban anyone he pleases, if he feels that they are a danger to this country.  That’s the law!  That’s why when this is settled in the Supreme Court, he (and America) will win and it will set the precedence here on out.  Trump is using the system to defeat those that abuse it.  Actually, I don’t think he cares as much about the ban as he does about draining the swamp and this will be a fundamental step toward that.

I just find "Christian" folks arguing in favor of the POTUS having the power to ban a religion to be kinda embarrassing for ya'll.  Holy cut off your nose to spite your face. 

 

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22 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

I have no idea where that one came from... sometimes things pop into my head and sometimes they work. 

.... I'm still wondering if that one actually does or not.

It doesn't. I'm sure that you could come up with a good replacement, though.

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22 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

It's as common as green chile in pierogi.

That wasn't green chili. I'll never eat there again.

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On 5/6/2018 at 12:50 PM, Farmer77 said:

If you recall: 

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/index.html

Rudy Giuliani Admits Trump Asked How to Implement a Muslim Ban Legally

He wanted to ban all muslims. He said he wanted to ban all muslims, his friend and attorney said he wanted to ban all muslims.  He asked how to do it legally and found out you couldn't. 

I just find "Christian" folks arguing in favor of the POTUS having the power to ban a religion to be kinda embarrassing for ya'll.  Holy cut off your nose to spite your face. 

 

I think if Christians were 5% of the population and 75% of well publicized Media articles on Terrorism were Christian committed acts.... That what you propose wouldn't be so silly.

Trump always does this... He asks for the Moon, when he really wants the ISS. By asking for the Moon and haggling down, he gets the ISS and several GPS sats. He'll ask for a 50 foot wall on the border, and settle for 15 foot wire fence. He'll demand huge tax cuts and removing of Regulations, and settle for modest cuts. It is how he starts deals. 

By January (1 month later), he was making sounds like he was thinking about how temporary the ban would be. By May he basically was saying he was open to discussions and his ban was just a spitball talking point.

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Farmer77
On ‎5‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 5:58 AM, DieChecker said:

Trump always does this... He asks for the Moon, when he really wants the ISS. By asking for the Moon and haggling down, he gets the ISS and several GPS sats.

I hear this argument all the time but by asking for something that's illegal in an offensive way he is only making himself look like an idiot and a race baiter to those of us who aren't believers. 

On ‎5‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 5:58 AM, DieChecker said:

By January (1 month later), he was making sounds like he was thinking about how temporary the ban would be. By May he basically was saying he was open to discussions and his ban was just a spitball talking poin

Why do you assume that this is strategy? This is how my teenager acts when things don't go his way, "I didn't make a mistake I meant for that to happen".  

To me this simply wreaks of his ego being too large to admit he was wrong and or bested and his silver spoon ensuring he has never had to admit he's been proven wrong or forced to admit he was bested. 

 

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5 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

I hear this argument all the time but by asking for something that's illegal in an offensive way he is only making himself look like an idiot and a race baiter to those of us who aren't believers. 

Why do you assume that this is strategy? This is how my teenager acts when things don't go his way, "I didn't make a mistake I meant for that to happen".  

To me this simply wreaks of his ego being too large to admit he was wrong and or bested and his silver spoon ensuring he has never had to admit he's been proven wrong or forced to admit he was bested. 

 

Yeah, most of that is true. However, Trump has found it to work for him time and time again. I'm not saying that what he does is defensible, but I am saying that often it is effective. Lots of associates of his say he is both super smart, and also childish in anger. That's who he is. 

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