+Not A Rockstar Posted April 26, 2018 #1 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just read this, about what may be the largest ever sacrifice of children, down in Peru. Just felt really sad reading about it but it is a nice article from Nat Geo. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/04/mass-child-human-animal-sacrifice-peru-chimu-science/ 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted April 26, 2018 #2 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Holy smoke! Quote Human sacrifice has been practiced in nearly all corners of the globe at various times, and scientists believe that the ritual may have played an important role in the development of complex societies through social stratification and control of populations by elite social classes. Sounds about right. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted April 26, 2018 #3 Share Posted April 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, OverSword said: Holy smoke! Sounds about right. The Triple Alliance (Aztec Empire) went from offering crops to human sacrifice over a long period of drought. Which probably did make the wealthy more powerful and the poor more desperate. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted April 26, 2018 #4 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I think most people who've had to spend more than 20 minutes with other people's children have briefly considered sacrificing them. --Jaylemurph 2 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted April 26, 2018 #5 Share Posted April 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: I think most people who've had to spend more than 20 minutes with other people's children have briefly considered sacrificing them. --Jaylemurph I searched the like button for a ‘that’s not nice’ button but couldn’t find it. Tsk tsk... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted April 27, 2018 #6 Share Posted April 27, 2018 8 hours ago, OverSword said: Holy smoke! Sounds about right. But probably not in this case. From the link. Most societal models that look at human sacrifice, however, are based on the ritual killing of adults, says Joseph Watts, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Oxford and the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History. "I think it's definitely harder to explain child sacrifice," he says, then pauses. "Also, at a personal level." NEGOTIATION WITH SUPERNATURAL FORCES The mass sacrifice of only children and young llamas that took place at Las Llamas, however, appears to be a phenomenon previously unknown in the archaeological record, and it immediately raises the question: What would motivate the Chimú to commit such an act? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khol Posted April 27, 2018 #7 Share Posted April 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, psyche101 said: But probably not in this case. From the link. Most societal models that look at human sacrifice, however, are based on the ritual killing of adults, says Joseph Watts, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Oxford and the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History. "I think it's definitely harder to explain child sacrifice," he says, then pauses. "Also, at a personal level." NEGOTIATION WITH SUPERNATURAL FORCES The mass sacrifice of only children and young llamas that took place at Las Llamas, however, appears to be a phenomenon previously unknown in the archaeological record, and it immediately raises the question: What would motivate the Chimú to commit such an act? from the link suggests that societies along the northern Peruvian coast may have turned to the sacrifice of children when the sacrifice of adults wasn't enough to fend off the repeated disruptions wrought by El Niño. "People sacrifice that which is of most and greatest value to them," he explains. "They may have seen that [adult sacrifice] was ineffective. The rains kept coming. Maybe there was a need for a new type of sacrificial victim." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted April 27, 2018 #8 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, khol said: from the link suggests that societies along the northern Peruvian coast may have turned to the sacrifice of children when the sacrifice of adults wasn't enough to fend off the repeated disruptions wrought by El Niño. "People sacrifice that which is of most and greatest value to them," he explains. "They may have seen that [adult sacrifice] was ineffective. The rains kept coming. Maybe there was a need for a new type of sacrificial victim." What they considered negotiating with supernatural forces. I wont visit museum exhibits of Aztek and Mayan sacrificial ornaments, I find the concept so gruesome and ubappealing that I find I don't want to assault my senses any more than they already are. I don't want to see a bowl made to hold human hearts for some imaginary being, I find the thought sickening. Edited April 27, 2018 by psyche101 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khol Posted April 27, 2018 #9 Share Posted April 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, psyche101 said: What they considered negotiating with supernatural forces. I wont visit museum exhibits of Aztek and Mayan sacrificial ornaments, I find the concept so gruesome and ubappealing that I find I don't want to assault my senses any more than they already are. I don't want to see a bowl made to hold human hearts for some imaginary being, I find the thought sickening. It was my thought as well. The magnitude of belief so great they sacrifice there own children to appease there god. All for naught. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted April 27, 2018 #10 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 hour ago, psyche101 said: But probably not in this case. From the link. Most societal models that look at human sacrifice, however, are based on the ritual killing of adults, says Joseph Watts, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Oxford and the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History. "I think it's definitely harder to explain child sacrifice," he says, then pauses. "Also, at a personal level." NEGOTIATION WITH SUPERNATURAL FORCES The mass sacrifice of only children and young llamas that took place at Las Llamas, however, appears to be a phenomenon previously unknown in the archaeological record, and it immediately raises the question: What would motivate the Chimú to commit such an act? So do you have reason to believe it was the children of the elite class that's represented here? I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted April 27, 2018 #11 Share Posted April 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, khol said: It was my thought as well. The magnitude of belief so great they sacrifice there own children to appease there god. All for naught. Well, someone's children anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted April 27, 2018 #12 Share Posted April 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, khol said: It was my thought as well. The magnitude of belief so great they sacrifice there own children to appease there god. All for naught. And today some religious groups still allow children to die to preserve a relationship with God or retain access to the afterlife, people in third world countries sacrifice children and infants to gods for prosperous times. Has it got better or just more spread out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted April 27, 2018 #13 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, OverSword said: So do you have reason to believe it was the children of the elite class that's represented here? I don't. I don't see reason to exclude them. They may have been more valuable as sacrifices People sacrifice that which is of most and greatest value to them," he explains. "They may have seen that [adult sacrifice] was ineffective. The rains kept coming. Maybe there was a need for a new type of sacrificial victim." Edited April 27, 2018 by psyche101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted April 27, 2018 #14 Share Posted April 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, OverSword said: Well, someone's children anyway Yes, tests show they came from far and wide. Also from the link: Although it is difficult to determine sex based on skeletal remains at such a young age, preliminary DNA analysis indicates that both boys and girls were victims, and isotopic analysis indicates that they were not all drawn from local populations but likely came from different ethnic groups and regions of the Chimú Empire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted April 27, 2018 #15 Share Posted April 27, 2018 10 hours ago, psyche101 said: Yes, tests show they came from far and wide. Also from the link: Although it is difficult to determine sex based on skeletal remains at such a young age, preliminary DNA analysis indicates that both boys and girls were victims, and isotopic analysis indicates that they were not all drawn from local populations but likely came from different ethnic groups and regions of the Chimú Empire. Did you see Apocalypto? In that movie they sacrificed captives and slaves. We also know that in Mexico they sacrificed POW's and criminals rather than their own citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted April 28, 2018 #16 Share Posted April 28, 2018 22 hours ago, OverSword said: Did you see Apocalypto? In that movie they sacrificed captives and slaves. We also know that in Mexico they sacrificed POW's and criminals rather than their own citizens. Yes, it was pretty good, very graphic. Gives a sobering view of those days. But at the rate they were killing people they would have either run out or met with revolt sooner rather than later, the society was bound to collapse. We've seen kimakazee pilots sent to their deaths, all the way back to Vlad the Impaler killing townspeople to scare invaders off, and it worked. When maniacs have power, it's jaw dropping what can take place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted April 28, 2018 #17 Share Posted April 28, 2018 8 hours ago, psyche101 said: Yes, it was pretty good, very graphic. Gives a sobering view of those days. But at the rate they were killing people they would have either run out or met with revolt sooner rather than later, the society was bound to collapse. We've seen kimakazee pilots sent to their deaths, all the way back to Vlad the Impaler killing townspeople to scare invaders off, and it worked. When maniacs have power, it's jaw dropping what can take place. Wow I've never heard that about Vlad. That's nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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