AnchorSteam Posted May 30, 2018 #76 Share Posted May 30, 2018 This has all happened before - 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 30, 2018 #77 Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 hours ago, and then said: I respect that outlook. My problem is that I've watched people trying to go it on their own since I was old enough to understand the value of compromise and I've never seen it work for very long on any significant scale. As a species, we seem to be quite content to be led by a strong individual. It's like we don't want to think for ourselves or have to work too hard to survive. That inevitably causes the wrong type to come to power, sooner or later. It's a pattern that has echoed throughout the millennia. I'm no scholar of the Bible and I've been upbraided viciously on my failings as a confessing Christian (most of which has been deserved) but I DO believe in the predictive power/value of Biblical prophecy. My view on the writings goes back to the belief in an intelligently designed universe where the Creator actually exists outside of our dimension of time. From that perspective, every moment of past, present, and future exist as a continuum. IOWs, the one great proof of our universe being a created thing comes from that knowledge. No human can KNOW what the future will bring. One who is outside time can actually see it happening like an old video being replayed at will, every detail visible. The mind that is closed to this truth as an impossibility is understandable but when events actually begin to unfold that are readily identifiable, culpability enters the equation. I'll say this then stop the lecture, In the near future, years, more likely months, Russia, Iran, Turkey, and Syria will form a coalition with other, smaller Islamic nations that will come against Israel to take great material wealth. At the end of that war where Israel fights ALONE without allies, 5 of 6 of the troops coming against them will be dead. The nations they came from will be rained on with "fire". There is also a very clear prediction of the ancient city of Damascus being made uninhabitable, overnight. That has never occurred and might well be what causes the nations to confederate against Israel. No one knows. Those are a couple of waypoints of prophecy that modern skeptics can watch for. A couple of Hebrew men wrote of those events about 2600 years ago. You don't strike me as the type to reject a thing without honestly investigating it. Try it. It just might surprise you. Like the Bard once said - "there are more things in heaven and earth, dear Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy" Has anytime been so close to what is said to happen as it is now? I'm really asking, has there been? I think that some people might take things as if we are so looking forward to it when all throughout the bible we are warned of what will happen and not because GOD is a cruel GOD ...but because of what? It's inevitable isn't it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 30, 2018 #78 Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, AnchorSteam said: This has all happened before - Every time I hear her speak about the things she knows I'm in disbelief that there are individuals who don't hear what she is saying. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 30, 2018 #79 Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Piney said: Except being raised Non-Theist Quaker and Algonquian I was taught not to follow, but question. I work hard physically, But there no mental stress. No hurry. You know I survived a lot of nastiness. But I did it without looking for, or expecting help. In Eastern Algonquian religion they believed that there was a spiritual world that interacted constantly with the physical world. There was a belief in a primary spirit or animating force that encompassed all existence. Algonquians called this animating spirit 'Kitchie Manitou' or the 'Great Spirit'. Most live in Quebec. A lesser known part of Quaker history, in 1939 a Quakergroup in California formed a non-theistic society based on humanist beliefs: the ... https://americanhumanist.org/paths/quakerism/ Do you really live in the U.S ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 30, 2018 #80 Share Posted May 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: It's inevitable isn't it? I believe that it IS. That doesn't mean that I understand the interplay of all the circumstances or the timing of any of it. I just have never seen so many of the distinct pieces moving into place, all at the same season. The idea that all of these events will simply be isolated and forgotten seems unlikely to me. They definitely seem to be surging towards a fulfillment. While I firmly believe that a more just and peaceful world lies beyond these events, I also tremble at the idea of having to live through what is coming. It is going to be horrible beyond man's ability to grasp or even describe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 30, 2018 #81 Share Posted May 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, and then said: I believe that it IS. That doesn't mean that I understand the interplay of all the circumstances or the timing of any of it. I just have never seen so many of the distinct pieces moving into place, all at the same season. The idea that all of these events will simply be isolated and forgotten seems unlikely to me. They definitely seem to be surging towards a fulfillment. While I firmly believe that a more just and peaceful world lies beyond these events, I also tremble at the idea of having to live through what is coming. It is going to be horrible beyond man's ability to grasp or even describe. GOD had shown these things to people, I think about that often. How they must of felt and how did they live with knowing what they knew. I can understand why some can't understand it about the real prophets. I'm not saying that I understand all of it either. But like you said about the season, that can't be ignored. We hope for peace and safety. It was hoped for before but not as advanced of a state that it is happening now worldwide. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 31, 2018 #82 Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Ellapennella said: GOD had shown these things to people, I think about that often. How they must of felt and how did they live with knowing what they knew. I can understand why some can't understand it about the real prophets. I'm not saying that I understand all of it either. But like you said about the season, that can't be ignored. We hope for peace and safety. It was hoped for before but not as advanced of a state that it is happening now worldwide. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober Exactly! And I've been watching and listening for these things for about 45 years and have never before today heard or seen those two words strung together by so many people as often as we do today. If Trump manages to close a peace deal that is to unfold over seven years, I think I'm going to panic a little. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 31, 2018 #83 Share Posted May 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, and then said: Exactly! And I've been watching and listening for these things for about 45 years and have never before today heard or seen those two words strung together by so many people as often as we do today. If Trump manages to close a peace deal that is to unfold over seven years, I think I'm going to panic a little. There's gonna be a sense of a false peace when that time arrives. When Yeshua said that this generation will not pass away till all these things be accomplished. does that generation mean those that are for him will not be removed from the earth till that time ? If the anti Christ makes peace with Israel and if we are not at war with Israel is it whoever it is that is at war with Israel that is the enemy spoken about or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 31, 2018 #84 Share Posted May 31, 2018 47 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: There's gonna be a sense of a false peace when that time arrives. When Yeshua said that this generation will not pass away till all these things be accomplished. does that generation mean those that are for him will not be removed from the earth till that time ? If the anti Christ makes peace with Israel and if we are not at war with Israel is it whoever it is that is at war with Israel that is the enemy spoken about or not? I really don't know. I had always believed that Christians might be gone from the scene by that time but now, I'm not so sure. That these wars will happen, I have no doubt. WHEN they will happen and which countries will go to war, including the U.S., I'm not so sure. I think it's entirely possible that the U.S. is taken out of the picture due to enemy attack or economic collapse. We could also be folded into a globalist entity at some point. The last seems the most likely at this point. Half the country seems ready to fall into that trap willingly, today. Those who are able but unwilling to fight and die for freedom DESERVE slavery, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 31, 2018 #85 Share Posted May 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, and then said: I really don't know. I had always believed that Christians might be gone from the scene by that time but now, I'm not so sure. That these wars will happen, I have no doubt. WHEN they will happen and which countries will go to war, including the U.S., I'm not so sure. I think it's entirely possible that the U.S. is taken out of the picture due to enemy attack or economic collapse. We could also be folded into a globalist entity at some point. The last seems the most likely at this point. Half the country seems ready to fall into that trap willingly, today. Those who are able but unwilling to fight and die for freedom DESERVE slavery, IMO. I don't understand why Universities have been permitted to influence a rise of communism in America. I agree with the points you made in your post. (just sharing) P.S. I am highly pleased with your Declaration. God preserve the united States. We know the Race is not to the swift nor the Battle to the strong. Do you not think an Angel rides in the Whirlwind and directs this Storm? https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-01-02-0189 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 31, 2018 #86 Share Posted May 31, 2018 12 hours ago, Ellapennella said: In Eastern Algonquian religion they believed that there was a spiritual world that interacted constantly with the physical world. There was a belief in a primary spirit or animating force that encompassed all existence. Algonquians called this animating spirit 'Kitchie Manitou' or the 'Great Spirit'. Most live in Quebec. A lesser known part of Quaker history, in 1939 a Quakergroup in California formed a non-theistic society based on humanist beliefs: the ... https://americanhumanist.org/paths/quakerism/ Do you really live in the U.S ? Kiitaaniituwit. In my language. Maaniittuu itself is the "spiritual essence" in all things. Like the Force in Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 31, 2018 #87 Share Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/28/2018 at 4:17 AM, and then said: I read several news sources from Israel. The only one that I simply cannot stomach is Haaretz. It's as anti-Israel as the WaPo is anti-American. Assad: There are no Iranian forces in Syria Speaking in an interview with Kremlin-backed Russia Today news channel, Syrian president accuses Israel of propagating ‘lies’ about Iranian military entrenchment on his territory, adding ‘we would not be ashamed to say if there were' and insisting ‘not a single Iranian’ was killed in Israel’s recent retaliatory aerial strike https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5275436,00.html Can you believe he's saying that there are no Iranian troops there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opus Magnus Posted July 21, 2018 #88 Share Posted July 21, 2018 It's usually best to avoid these conflicts if at all possible, responding to the OP. A peace treaty with the right people could save a lot of misery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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