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For or Against Leaving Iran Nuke Deal

For or Against Leaving Iran Nuke Deal?  

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  1. 1. For or against.

    • I support the Presidents decision to pull the USA out of the Iran Nuclear Treaty
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    • I am against the Presidents decision to pull the USA out of the Iran Nuclear Treaty
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    • I am unsure how I feel
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I'm against it. But it has done it's job in deflecting a bit from the latest revelations. Rinse and repeat.

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37 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

How stupid does a person have to be to agree to a deal that guarantees the Iranians a nuclear weapon in a decade if they pretend not to experiment now (which they are certainly doing)?   Unless there was something in it for Barry (and John)

Everyone has a personal agenda. Don or John. The way how to achive that differs. 

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2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

ROFLOFLOFL... there are some VERY dodgy entries in that list. In what way did the USA try to overthrow the government of Kuwait in 1991 ? Or is it referring to the government of Saddam Hussein, who had just invaded Kuwait ?  

There are several other dodgy entires as well. Iraq in 1991, for example ? They where bombed under a UN mandate to remove Saddam from Kuwait. China in 1946 ? (it was in a state of civil war, and the US went in to - successfully - repatriate Japanese and Korean nationals). I'd trust that list about as much as I would trust a Democrat Party computer network ! :P 

(I'll grant you Guatemala, and I DO vaguely recall something about Vietnam. But apart from that it is misleading anti-Western anti-Capitalist propaganda, courtesy of the "Occupy London" swampies :) ) 

Meanwhile.......here's Phaeoton80's blood pressure whenever President Trump is mentioned :D 

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Oh there are some questionable entries in that pic are there? Well please feel free to completely disregard the point it was meant to convey then why not, Gardener of Roofs. Always quick to establish anything as anti Western propaganda, but magically never showing thesame talent when the propaganda is Western sourced, even if the narrative is so pervasively shallow a three year old would poke right through it.

Heres something to spend your afternoon on..

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America Has Been At War 93% of the Time – 222 Out of 239 Years – Since 1776

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Year-by-year Timeline of America’s Major Wars (1776-2011)

1776 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamagua Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War

1777 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War

1778 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1779 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1780 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1781 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1782 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1783 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1784 – Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War, Oconee War

1785 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1786 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1787 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1788 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1789 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1790 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1791 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1792 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1793 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1794 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1795 – Northwest Indian War

1796 – No major war

1797 – No major war

1798 – Quasi-War

1799 – Quasi-War

1800 – Quasi-War

1801 – First Barbary War

1802 – First Barbary War

1803 – First Barbary War

1804 – First Barbary War

1805 – First Barbary War

1806 – Sabine Expedition

1807 – No major war

1808 – No major war

1809 – No major war

1810 – U.S. occupies Spanish-held West Florida

1811 – Tecumseh’s War

1812 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Seminole Wars, U.S. occupies Spanish-held Amelia Island and other parts of East Florida

1813 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Peoria War, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in West Florida

1814 – War of 1812, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in Florida, Anti-piracy war

1815 – War of 1812, Second Barbary War, Anti-piracy war

1816 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1817 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1818 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1819 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1820 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1821 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)

1822 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)

1823 – Anti-piracy war, Arikara War

1824 – Anti-piracy war

1825 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1826 – No major war

1827 – Winnebago War

1828 – No major war

1829 – No major war

1830 – No major war 

1831 – Sac and Fox Indian War

1832 – Black Hawk War

1833 – Cherokee Indian War

1834 – Cherokee Indian War, Pawnee Indian Territory Campaign

1835 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War

1836 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Missouri-Iowa Border War

1837 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Osage Indian War, Buckshot War

1838 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Buckshot War, Heatherly Indian War

1839 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars

1840 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade Fiji Islands

1841 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade McKean Island, Gilbert Islands, and Samoa

1842 – Seminole Wars

1843 – U.S. forces clash with Chinese, U.S. troops invade African coast

1844 – Texas-Indian Wars

1845 – Texas-Indian Wars

1846 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars

1847 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars

1848 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War

1849 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians

1850 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, California Indian Wars, Pitt River Expedition

1851 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars

1852 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars

1853 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, Walker War, California Indian Wars

1854 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians

1855 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Yakima War, Winnas Expedition, Klickitat War, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay

1856 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, Tintic War

1857 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Utah War, Conflict in Nicaragua

1858 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Mohave War, California Indian Wars, Spokane-Coeur d’Alene-Paloos War, Utah War, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay

1859 Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Pecos Expedition, Antelope Hills Expedition, Bear River Expedition, John Brown’s raid, U.S. forces launch attack against Paraguay, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1860 – Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Paiute War, Kiowa-Comanche War

1861 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign

1862 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Dakota War of 1862,

1863 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Goshute War

1864 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Snake War

1865 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Colorado War, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War

1866 – Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Franklin County War, U.S. invades Mexico, Conflict with China

1867 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, U.S. troops occupy Nicaragua and attack Taiwan

1868 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Battle of Washita River, Franklin County War

1869 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War

1870 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War

1871 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, Kingsley Cave Massacre, U.S. forces invade Korea

1872 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Franklin County War

1873 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Apache Wars, Cypress Hills Massacre, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1874 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Red River War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1875 – Conflict in Mexico, Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Eastern Nevada, Mason County War, Colfax County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1876 – Texas-Indian Wars, Black Hills War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1877 – Texas-Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Black Hills War, Nez Perce War, Mason County War, Lincoln County War, San Elizario Salt War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1878 – Paiute Indian conflict, Bannock War, Cheyenne War, Lincoln County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1879 – Cheyenne War, Sheepeater Indian War, White River War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1880 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1881 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1882 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1883 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1884 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1885 – Apache Wars, Eastern Nevada Expedition, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1886 – Apache Wars, Pleasant Valley War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1887 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1888 – U.S. show of force against Haiti, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1889 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1890 – Sioux Indian War, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Ghost Dance War, Wounded Knee, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1891 – Sioux Indian War, Ghost Dance War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1892 – Johnson County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1893 – U.S. forces invade Mexico and Hawaii

1894 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1895 – U.S. forces invade Mexico, Bannock Indian Disturbances

1896 – U.S. forces invade Mexico

1897 – No major war

1898 – Spanish-American War, Battle of Leech Lake, Chippewa Indian Disturbances

1899 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1900 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1901 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1902 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1903 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1904 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1905 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1906 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1907 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1908 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1909 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1910 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1911 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1912 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1913 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars, New Mexico Navajo War

1914 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1915 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico, Colorado Paiute War

1916 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1917 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S. invades Mexico

1918 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S invades Mexico

1919 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1920 – Banana Wars

1921 – Banana Wars

1922 – Banana Wars

1923 – Banana Wars, Posey War

1924 – Banana Wars

1925 – Banana Wars

1926 – Banana Wars

1927 – Banana Wars

1928 – Banana Wars

1930 – Banana Wars

1931 – Banana Wars

1932 – Banana Wars

1933 – Banana Wars

1934 – Banana Wars

1935 – No major war

1936 – No major war

1937 – No major war

1938 – No major war

1939 – No major war

1940 – No major war

1941 – World War II

1942 – World War II

1943 – Wold War II

1944 – World War II

1945 – World War II

1946 – Cold War (U.S. occupies the Philippines and South Korea)

1947 – Cold War (U.S. occupies South Korea, U.S. forces land in Greece to fight Communists)

1948 – Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)

1949 – Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)

1950 – Korean War, Jayuga Uprising

1951 – Korean War

1952 – Korean War

1953 – Korean War

1954 – Covert War in Guatemala

1955 – Vietnam War

1956 – Vietnam War

1957 – Vietnam War

1958 – Vietnam War

1959 – Vietnam War, Conflict in Haiti

1960 – Vietam War

1961 – Vietnam War

1962 – Vietnam War, Cold War (Cuban Missile Crisis; U.S. marines fight Communists in Thailand)

1963 – Vietnam War

1964 – Vietnam War

1965 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic

1966 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic

1967 – Vietnam War

1968 – Vietnam War

1969 – Vietnam War

1970 – Vietnam War

1971 – Vietnam War

1972 – Vietnam War

1973 – Vietnam War, U.S. aids Israel in Yom Kippur War

1974 – Vietnam War

1975 – Vietnam War

1976 – No major war

1977 – No major war

1978 – No major war

1979 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)

1980 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)

1981 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), First Gulf of Sidra Incident

1982 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon

1983 – Cold War (Invasion of Grenada, CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon

1984 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Persian Gulf

1985 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)

1986 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)

1987 – Conflict in Persian Gulf

1988 – Conflict in Persian Gulf, U.S. occupation of Panama

1989 – Second Gulf of Sidra Incident, U.S. occupation of Panama, Conflict in Philippines

1990 – First Gulf War, U.S. occupation of Panama

1991 – First Gulf War

1992 – Conflict in Iraq

1993 – Conflict in Iraq

1994 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti

1995 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti, NATO bombing of Bosnia and Herzegovina

1996 – Conflict in Iraq

1997 – No major war

1998 – Bombing of Iraq, Missile strikes against Afghanistan and Sudan

1999 – Kosovo War

2000 – No major war

2001 – War on Terror in Afghanistan

2002 – War on Terror in Afghanistan and Yemen

2003 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, and Iraq

2004 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2005 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2006 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2007 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen

2008 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2009 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2010 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2011 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen; Conflict in Libya (Libyan Civil War)

In most of these wars, the U.S. was on the offense. Danios admits that some of the wars were defensive.   However, Danios also leaves out covert CIA operations and other acts which could be considered war.

Let’s update what’s happened since 2011:

2012 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemen

2013 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemen

2014 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemen; Civil War in Ukraine

2015 – War on Terror in Somalia, Somalia, Syria and Yemen; Civil War in Ukraine

So we can add 4 more years of war. That means that for 222 out of 239 years – or 93% of the time – America has been at war. (We can quibble with the exact numbers, but the high percentage of time that America has been at war is clear and unmistakable.)

Indeed, most of the military operations launched since World War II have been launched by the U.S.

And American military spending dwarfs the rest of the world put together.

No wonder polls show that the world believes America is the number 1 threat to peace.

http://washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/america-war-93-time-222-239-years-since-1776.html


'..Quibble with the exact numbers', I think thats your que Gardener. The world is changing, America's hegemonic psychotic behaviour is seen, identified by more and more people, in spite of all the MSM's efforts. She, and her cohorts, constitute the main existential threat to the global society, global stability. Attacking Iran will only cement her downfall, it will be the epitaph on the grave of what used to be a nation of the Free & Brave, but is now nothing more than a bleak mirror image of that, a hollow shell of her former self, a caricature.. just like her POTUS.

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spartan max2
13 hours ago, freetoroam said:

Was watching the news today and some iranians were burning the American flag and some were saying...death to the Americans, and Europe want to do deals with these barbaric country? 

This is a warning sign of what they are prepared to do if they do not get their own way, setting flags on fire, but much worse....threatening death.

I know right. Could you imagine any Western countires responding thst way in a similar situation ? Lol

Once Iran can act like adults maybe we will reconsider 

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RoofGardener
1 hour ago, Phaeton80 said:

 

Oh there are some questionable entries in that pic are there? Well please feel free to completely disregard the point it was meant to convey then why not, Gardener of Roofs. Always quick to establish anything as anti Western propaganda, but magically never showing thesame talent when the propaganda is Western sourced, even if the narrative is so pervasively shallow a three year old would poke right through it.

Heres something to spend your afternoon on..


'..Quibble with the exact numbers', I think thats your que Gardener. The world is changing, America's hegemonic psychotic behaviour is seen, identified by more and more people, in spite of all the MSM's efforts. She, and her cohorts, constitute the main existential threat to the global society, global stability. Attacking Iran will only cement her downfall, it will be the epitaph on the grave of what used to be a nation of the Free & Brave, but is now nothing more than a bleak mirror image of that, a hollow shell of her former self, a caricature.. just like her POTUS.

Hmm... well.. the Indian wars where a bit deplorable, to be sure. Along with a lot of the wonderfully titled "Banana wars". Apart from them, however, another way of interpreting this table would be to say... 

"The USA has spent 100 of its 220 years fighting piracy, fascism, authoritarian regimes, and terrorists". In other words, the USA - certainly in the 20th Century -  has been a major power for good !"

:D 

 

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Merc14
16 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmm... well.. the Indian wars where a bit deplorable, to be sure. Along with a lot of the wonderfully titled "Banana wars". Apart from them, however, another way of interpreting this table would be to say... 

"The USA has spent 100 of its 220 years fighting piracy, fascism, authoritarian regimes, and terrorists". In other words, the USA - certainly in the 20th Century -  has been a major power for good !"

:D 

 

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OverSword
20 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

dear lord, you're not still clamoring for Regime Change are you? Look what a success that policy has been wherever it's been tried. (:rolleyes: Sarcastic rolleyes just in case it wasn't clear.) The US had been trying for 35 years to Topple the Mullahs, and they hadn't succeeded yet. Now success was just around the corner was it, if only Obama hadn't signed this disastrous treaty? Do please try to get real. 

It should be noted the Mullahs are only in power because the US and Britain performed regime change in Iran. 

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OverSword
19 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

And the destabilisation of the ME continues..

Oh goody.

Iran, here we come (..again).:gun:

I'm not in complete agreement with that statement.  IMO Iran having the right to say when and where inspectors may inspect is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  I'm all for renegotiating this treaty for the purpose of achieving an arrangement that makes sense.

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OverSword
19 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

 

Pretty much all the time really, before the "West" decided to continually interfere in its affairs. 

So before Rome took over Jerusalem?

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OverSword
19 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

Basically I suppose the United States doesn't seem to care in the slightest what happens to any reputation it might still have for being trustworthy and keeping to its word, and being considerate of, or even aware of, the ramifications of its actions for global trade and the economies of its allies (France and Germany had both just commenced important trade deals with Iran), just as long as the one country it always stays on the right side of is Israel. But isn't there some embarrassment, even if shame might be too much to hope for, at being such a total sycophant? 

Since the United States made no deal, and the bulk of the government including Democrats were against it and it was signed into being by the ego of one terrible leader then who give's a flying frak?  And if the European allies in question were more concerned about global sanity than the potential profits lost by their corporations this would be a no brainer.  My own local company Boeing is out billions thanks to this decision and if you pay attention to what the president has stated even prior to being elected his plan is to negotiate something better and something that makes more sense not only for we and Iran but the world at large.

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41 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

"The USA has spent 100 of its 220 years fighting piracy, fascism, authoritarian regimes, and terrorists". In other words, the USA - certainly in the 20th Century -  has been a major power for good !"

:D 

20th Century? Let's start with ...
 

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3. Ford and Kissinger discuss Cambodia with Indonesia's President Suharto, Jakarta, December 5, 1975. 4. Former US National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, on China and the Khmer Rouge, 1979: “I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could never support him, but China ...

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crookedspiral
19 minutes ago, OverSword said:

and if you pay attention to what the president has stated even prior to being elected his plan is to negotiate something better and something that makes more sense not only for we and Iran but the world at large.

That's wishful thinking. Iran is not going to trust the U.S. on any deal-making anymore.

The most realistic outcome is that they are going to continue with the 2015 agreement, with everyone in the P5+1 group except the U.S.

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OverSword
12 minutes ago, Brother_Spirit said:

That's wishful thinking. Iran is not going to trust the U.S. on any deal-making anymore.

The most realistic outcome is that they are going to continue with the 2015 agreement, with everyone in the P5+1 group except the U.S.

That won't happen.  It will put their corporations in danger of having boycotts put in place by the largest consumer nation in the world. 

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RavenHawk
4 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

158f89c24e77c2f827970d3c99da0cfb--sabota

Under the Iran column, you left off: Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, & Yemen at the very least.

 

Under the USA, you see the inevitable fact that we are the world’s policeman.  Whether we deserve the role or are capable of it, that is for another debate.  But who else can fill the role?  Who else would you want to fill the role?  Most people that see this list anyway understands the reasons for these as opposed to those that just use this for a weaponized sound bite.  Anyway, your highlights show that Iran is on the list more than any other.  That signifies that they are trouble makers and worse violators of the peace in the world.  And Core Islam is at the heart of them.

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5 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Under the Iran column, you left off: Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, & Yemen at the very least.

 

 

 

Under the USA, you see the inevitable fact that we are the world’s policeman.  Whether we deserve the role or are capable of it, that is for another debate.  But who else can fill the role?  Who else would you want to fill the role?  Most people that see this list anyway understands the reasons for these as opposed to those that just use this for a weaponized sound bite.  Anyway, your highlights show that Iran is on the list more than any other.  That signifies that they are trouble makers and worse violators of the peace in the world.  And Core Islam is at the heart of them.

 

 

The listing of Iran in 1953 is actually when the USA and GB toppled the democratically elected government of Iran and installed a dictator because Iran had decided to nationalize their oil fields which would have cost British Petroleum huge profits. 

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44 minutes ago, third_eye said:

20th Century? Let's start with ...
 

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Looks pretty good ...

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You'd be speaking Japanese and bowing to the god-emperor if some of those crosses weren't there.  

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29 minutes ago, OverSword said:

The listing of Iran in 1953 is actually when the USA and GB toppled the democratically elected government of Iran and installed a dictator because Iran had decided to nationalize their oil fields which would have cost British Petroleum huge profits. 

That is incorrect.  If we hadn’t done anything, it would have been a coup and an unsympathetic dictatorship would have resulted.  If Pelosi was Speaker of the House, and over threw Trump, would be a similar scenario.  Being Speaker of the House is not a position that is democratically elected by the people.  They are chosen between the members of the House.  In a Monarchy, the Prime Minister also serves at the pleasure of the King.  We actually prevented an overthrow and had Carter supported the Shah in 78, there would have been no Islamic Revolution and the Mullahs would not be running the country and Progressives wouldn’t using ignorant charts to support Iranian tyranny.

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Likely Guy
9 minutes ago, .ZZ. said:

You you guys know that Amsterdam is just full of peace and love?

Amsterdam kosher eatery to close due to frequent attacks

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Don't forget the coffee shops on nearly every corner where they can smoke away!

Oh yeah, and a world class red light district!

I'm at a loss as to how that relates to the discussion. :huh:

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OverSword
3 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

That is incorrect. 

No it's not

If we overthrow democratically elected governments regardless of how we feel about them and install authoritarian regimes we are in the wrong plain and simple.

Don't get your feelings hurt that not everything done by the USA is good and upstanding.  You do our side more good admitting ugly truths than by portraying us as always wearing white cowboy hats and fighting evil wherever it rears it's ugly head.

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.ZZ.
1 hour ago, Likely Guy said:

I'm at a loss as to how that relates to the discussion. :huh:

Yeah, please ignore

:mellow:

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3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Needless to say, this is incorrect.

 

If we overthrow democratically elected governments regardless of how we feel about them and install authoritarian regimes we are in the wrong plain and simple.

In the first place, Iran was a Constitutional Monarchy.  Mosaddeq was not elected to the post of Prime Minister.  He was selected among the members of Parliament and then presented to the King.  Prime Minister is an at-will position.  That means that the King can sack him for any cause at any time.  Mossaddeq had inappropriately garnered more power than he had a right to.  A Prime Minister is not above the King.  Operation Ajax didn’t overthrow the rightful power, it was keeping the rightful power from being overthrown.  This has nothing to do with feeling unless it is on your part.  If Mossaddeq was elected, then show me the election night results by district or region.

 

Don't get your feelings hurt that not everything done by the USA is good and upstanding.  You do our side more good admitting ugly truths than by portraying us as always wearing white cowboy hats and fighting evil wherever it rears it's ugly head.

I don’t know what that is supposed to mean?  My feelings are hardly hurt.  This country has had to do questionable things to maintain stability.  But in this case, we were doing the right thing.  The thing is, is that the US has done no more “ugly things” than any other nation in history.  This is the nature of the beast in the realm of world intrigue.  Great nations are built on ugly truths.  No nation in the past, present, or in the future was, is, or will be innocent in that respect.  No need to pass out different colored hats and expect them to fit equally.

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AnchorSteam

Well.... from the posts being made here, Isolationism is the only acceptable path the USA could ever take. Like, maybe abandon all overseas commitments, instantly, including NATO?

 

Fortunately, the Poll Results show that the loud & evil folks that promote that kind of view, and see every action ever taken by Americans in the worst possible light.... are in the minority. :D

"Eathing bitterness" is how the Chinese call it, would you all like salt with that? 

 

   6 minutes ago,  RavenHawk said: 

I don’t know what that is supposed to mean?  My feelings are hardly hurt. 

They have to make it seem that way since all of this is entirely emotional for them.

 

And they bring up 1953 everytime any of this ever come up with for the very same reason that the Mullahs always do; it is the one and only little thing they have to cling to that might possibly give them a sliver of moral equivalence.... and they desperately need that because of the multitude of monstrous deeds committed by the Reactionary Theocracy of Iran since 1979.

Some would say they are too numerous to list.

But, shall we take a stab at it anyway?

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REMOVE, DUPLICATE 

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crookedspiral
1 hour ago, OverSword said:

That won't happen.  It will put their corporations in danger of having boycotts put in place by the largest consumer nation in the world. 

It will. Trump has choosen the path of isolationism. There is too much money to be made on the Iranian economy for European, Chinese and Russian businesses to just give up on planned investments because this POTUS tell them to.

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