Malaysia Airlines pilot 'planned MH370 crash'

[RoofGardener]

Hmm.. the difference is that everyone knew where the Titanic sank... at least approximately (within a few miles or so). They just didn't have the technology to find it until comparatively recently. (1986). 

The same is not true of MH370. Nobody has the slightest idea where it crashed. It could be anywhere within.. what.. tens of thousands of square miles ? Hundreds of thousands ? 

[Astra.]

Fair enough RG. I stand corrected. 

[SHaYap]

34 minutes ago, Astra. said:

Hmm, well as someone said...it took over 70 years to find the Titanic..so I guess there is always a chance that somebody will eventually find the possible bulk of this resting plane that lays at the bottom of the ocean.....even if it is like looking for a needle in a haystack. 

Just to further elaborate on RG's points, the Titanic was built for the sea, a 777 is not and is much smaller and much more liable to break up into tiny little pieces if not landed properly.

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[SiliRat]

"Exactly what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (...) still remains one of the most enduring mysteries in aviation history."

The 'journalist' who wrote this doesn't understanding what 'enduring' means. I'm fairly certain that it is literally the LEAST enduring plane mystery at the moment.

Edited May 16, 2018 by SiliRat

[Duke Wellington]

I need to reiterate that the pilot didnt have the knowledge to disable the transponder - https://www.cnbc.com/2014/03/17/disabling-mh370-transponder-would-require-expert-ex-iata-chief.html

 

[RoofGardener]

1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

I need to reiterate that the pilot didnt have the knowledge to disable the transponder - https://www.cnbc.com/2014/03/17/disabling-mh370-transponder-would-require-expert-ex-iata-chief.html

 

Hmm.. interesting.. thanks for that @RabidMongoose. 

However, is the transponder actually an issue ? It only works if you are in range of a radar system designed to interrogate it ? 

If the plane descended to below "radar coverage", and flew on a path that took it out of radar coverage, then... who would be the wiser as to its position ? 

[RoofGardener]

9 hours ago, Astra. said:

Fair enough RG. I stand corrected. 

Weeeeell... don't be TOO quick to stand Astra. If you read the Wikipedia article on the search for Titanic, it is fascinating. It took 60 years from the sinking, to having the technology to discover it. (and it was AMAZING how - in retrospect - there where so many "near misses" just a few years prior to its eventual discovery). 

Who knows what technology we will have in the next 10 years, let along another 60 ? 

[Simon833746]

The plane was never located because the plane never crashed and is in use today to smuggle drugs. The proof for that comment is in the two recent and separate aircraft UFO reports by numerous U.S. civil aircraft. You can see one of the actual videos right here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmblwXHgxcs. Other full length videos of these incidents including Oakland-Seattle Center discussions about what to do are also on Youtube. Why did the MH370 pilot ascend to an altitude far higher than assigned? The answer is because he had to incapacitate (and eventually kill) the passengers by decompression before they realized that they were not on course but that also requires knowledge of the aircraft and how to disable the drop down oxygen system which is by a switch on the over head panel which brings up the next issue. How did he do this with another pilot sitting next to him. My guess is that he had him leave the cockpit to check on something then locked him out since the release button is on the lower console in the cockpit. If his intent was to just crash the aircraft, why go through the bother of making the passengers unconscious and eventual death? He wanted this aircraft for some other use but given the expense to operate it, he had help. Why did the aircraft maintain a high altitude for sometime before the rapid descent? Again a guess would be to assure that not only were the passengers brain dead (about one minute to unconsciousness and another 5-10 minutes for brain activity to cease) plus he had to wait out the cabin crew portable emergency oxygen bottles to run out which is about 10-15 minutes and of course for them to also expire (these are the portable bottles they use to travel the cabin to help passengers with their masks but in this case the drop down masks were disabled). then descend and shut down the transponder while doing so and apparently reach a low altitude to avoid radar? He did this while he was on the separate cockpit crew oxygen system which is limited in time. Why was the aircraft seen by multiple witnesses passing over Islands at a low altitude after it turned off the transponder? Why are the parts being found minor in nature and easy to remove and not showing signs of a crash? In the two thus far U.S. UFO aircraft sightings, the aircraft comes from the South (Mexico) and travels over the U.S. into Canada. It travels at an altitude above where most aircraft would fly on normal routes suggesting that it was trying to avoid a collision since there were no communications and transponder turned off. In one case fighters were scrambled but couldn't locate. If someone were transporting large amounts of something illegal and needed to bring such a large aircraft down, it would have to be in vast isolated area since the approach alone would bring suspicion. Canada has that vast area. This guy didn't do this alone. It would take a group just to remove the bodies and fuel is expensive. This smells like a drug cartel operation or perhaps a rogue nation or terrorist group seeking an aircraft for their next attack.

[Astra.]

On 17/05/2018 at 4:06 PM, Simon833746 said:

The plane was never located because the plane never crashed and is in use today to smuggle drugs. The proof for that comment is in the two recent and separate aircraft UFO reports by numerous U.S. civil aircraft. You can see one of the actual videos right here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmblwXHgxcs. Other full length videos of these incidents including Oakland-Seattle Center discussions about what to do are also on Youtube. Why did the MH370 pilot ascend to an altitude far higher than assigned? The answer is because he had to incapacitate (and eventually kill) the passengers by decompression before they realized that they were not on course but that also requires knowledge of the aircraft and how to disable the drop down oxygen system which is by a switch on the over head panel which brings up the next issue. How did he do this with another pilot sitting next to him. My guess is that he had him leave the cockpit to check on something then locked him out since the release button is on the lower console in the cockpit. If his intent was to just crash the aircraft, why go through the bother of making the passengers unconscious and eventual death? He wanted this aircraft for some other use but given the expense to operate it, he had help. Why did the aircraft maintain a high altitude for sometime before the rapid descent? Again a guess would be to assure that not only were the passengers brain dead (about one minute to unconsciousness and another 5-10 minutes for brain activity to cease) plus he had to wait out the cabin crew portable emergency oxygen bottles to run out which is about 10-15 minutes and of course for them to also expire (these are the portable bottles they use to travel the cabin to help passengers with their masks but in this case the drop down masks were disabled). then descend and shut down the transponder while doing so and apparently reach a low altitude to avoid radar? He did this while he was on the separate cockpit crew oxygen system which is limited in time. Why was the aircraft seen by multiple witnesses passing over Islands at a low altitude after it turned off the transponder? Why are the parts being found minor in nature and easy to remove and not showing signs of a crash? In the two thus far U.S. UFO aircraft sightings, the aircraft comes from the South (Mexico) and travels over the U.S. into Canada. It travels at an altitude above where most aircraft would fly on normal routes suggesting that it was trying to avoid a collision since there were no communications and transponder turned off. In one case fighters were scrambled but couldn't locate. If someone were transporting large amounts of something illegal and needed to bring such a large aircraft down, it would have to be in vast isolated area since the approach alone would bring suspicion. Canada has that vast area. This guy didn't do this alone. It would take a group just to remove the bodies and fuel is expensive. This smells like a drug cartel operation or perhaps a rogue nation or terrorist group seeking an aircraft for their next attack.

 this would have to go down as being one of the best 'conspiracy theories' that I have read in a very long time. 

[+Not A Rockstar]

What other scenarios might have knocked out the transponder? Is it self contained or could something like a blowout of part of the plane cut off the signal? I keep thinking of that (was it?) Hawaiian Air flight where a side wall blew out and sucked a steward out with it and the sheer skill and luck that got it landed by the pilot anyway. Probably as important as it is it is self contained but idk and wondered that if anyone actually really knows.

[Space Commander Travis]

3 hours ago, Not A Rockstar said:

What other scenarios might have knocked out the transponder? Is it self contained or could something like a blowout of part of the plane cut off the signal? I keep thinking of that (was it?) Hawaiian Air flight where a side wall blew out and sucked a steward out with it and the sheer skill and luck that got it landed by the pilot anyway. Probably as important as it is it is self contained but idk and wondered that if anyone actually really knows.

As I've remarked before, there are known instances of fires in the electronics bay below the cockpit on 777s, and if that had happened here it could well have knocked out the radio and transponders, lost onboard electrical power, then smoke filling the cockpit could have taken out the pilots, and then probably spread into the cabin. If the plane had been on autopilot (as it would be) it would probably have still flown on until either the fire caused catastrophic failure or it just ran out of fuel. 

[+Not A Rockstar]

11 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

As I've remarked before, there are known instances of fires in the electronics bay below the cockpit on 777s, and if that had happened here it could well have knocked out the radio and transponders, lost onboard electrical power, then smoke filling the cockpit could have taken out the pilots, and then probably spread into the cabin. If the plane had been on autopilot (as it would be) it would probably have still flown on until either the fire caused catastrophic failure or it just ran out of fuel. 

so he MIGHT have turned back to return to his start base and passed out and just kept flying on to oblivion in this scenario? I think this makes more sense.