danydandan Posted May 18, 2018 #1 Share Posted May 18, 2018 The Vegan group Viva recently got an advertisement banned for false and misleading claims in the UK. Here in Ireland we are subjected to the same aggressive Vegan advertising. https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/vegan-groups-advert-wrongly-linking-cows-milk-to-cancer-gets-uk-ban-36915952.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torchwood Posted May 18, 2018 #2 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) damn right, bloody Vegans coming over here, taking our jobs... Edited May 18, 2018 by Torchwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 18, 2018 #3 Share Posted May 18, 2018 23 minutes ago, danydandan said: The Vegan group Viva recently got an advertisement banned for false and misleading claims in the UK. Here in Ireland we are subjected to the same aggressive Vegan advertising. https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/vegan-groups-advert-wrongly-linking-cows-milk-to-cancer-gets-uk-ban-36915952.html There are some rabid ones in my Quaker Quarter with their bogus health information. Humans need meat and dairy to maintain a healthy microbiome and body. Hopefully these crackpots will Darwin themselves out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 18, 2018 #4 Share Posted May 18, 2018 30 minutes ago, danydandan said: The Vegan group Viva recently got an advertisement banned for false and misleading claims in the UK. Here in Ireland we are subjected to the same aggressive Vegan advertising. https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/vegan-groups-advert-wrongly-linking-cows-milk-to-cancer-gets-uk-ban-36915952.html IDK that ad was hardly aggressive or controversial. If this were a story in America I would say following the money would lead you to why this ad was pulled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 18, 2018 Author #5 Share Posted May 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: IDK that ad was hardly aggressive or controversial. If this were a story in America I would say following the money would lead you to why this ad was pulled. It's misleading and false. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 18, 2018 #6 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, danydandan said: It's misleading and false. No its not. Did you even read the article you posted? The ruling agency themselves had to work awfully hard to come to that "conclusion" although their own words indicate they don't actually believe it. Quote An ASA spokesman said: "While the claim stated that some hormones in cow's milk were "linked" to cancer rather than definitively stating that they caused cancer, we considered that consumers would nonetheless interpret it to mean that because of the hormones that were present in cow's milk, drinking cow's milk could increase a person's risk of developing cancer. "We considered that the various sources provided by Viva! constituted adequate evidence that over 35 hormones were present in cow's milk. "However, we were concerned that the studies were unable to account for confounding factors which could affect the results. "We also noted that the papers referred to other conflicting evidence and all noted the need for additional studies to confirm their findings. They don't even deny that the hormones in cows milk are linked to cancer, as the bolded shows their whole position is one of protecting an industry rather than that the ad itself was actually misleading . Like I said I would suggest following the money on this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 18, 2018 #7 Share Posted May 18, 2018 38 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: IDK that ad was hardly aggressive or controversial. If this were a story in America I would say following the money would lead you to why this ad was pulled. The other quotes said "most cows are pregnant when milking" "their calves are taken" which is bullcrap. My stepmother owns a cattle ranch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 18, 2018 #8 Share Posted May 18, 2018 @Farmer77 The naturally occurring hormones are not linked to anything. It's the added ones ......need coffee..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 18, 2018 #9 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Piney said: The other quotes said "most cows are pregnant when milking" "their calves are taken" which is bullcrap. My stepmother owns a cattle ranch. That wasn't what the ad was banned for though, no one challenged those claims, just the cancer link. But If cows are pregnant for 9 months, and cows must get pregnant to produce milk, wouldn't that just mathematically mean that most cows are pregnant while milking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 18, 2018 #10 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Farmer77 said: That wasn't what the ad was banned for though, no one challenged those claims, just the cancer link. But If cows are pregnant for 9 months, and cows must get pregnant to produce milk, wouldn't that just mathematically mean that most cows are pregnant while milking? Milking cows don't need to be pregnant and the naturally occurring hormones are not linked to cancer. Just the added ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 18, 2018 #11 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Piney said: @Farmer77 The naturally occurring hormones are not linked to anything. It's the added ones ......need coffee..... Nah man estrogen itself is carcinogenic to an extent Feds Label Estrogen a ‘Known Carcinogen’ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 18, 2018 #12 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Farmer77 said: Nah man estrogen itself is carcinogenic to an extent Feds Label Estrogen a ‘Known Carcinogen’ So is all soils. So eating with dirty hands gives you the same risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 18, 2018 #13 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Piney said: Milking cows don't need to be pregnant and the naturally occurring hormones are not linked to cancer. Just the added ones. I think we're probably close to the same page on this one. Stay natural, stay renewable, stay clean and farming is all good. Its when you start messing with things or treating the animals poorly that we all start to suffer. The only reason I'm really posting on this is after reading about how the milk industry is trying to sneak aspartame into milk without having to label it my radar is up for shenanigans from them. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 18, 2018 Author #14 Share Posted May 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: No its not. Did you even read the article you posted? The ruling agency themselves had to work awfully hard to come to that "conclusion" although their own words indicate they don't actually believe it. They don't even deny that the hormones in cows milk are linked to cancer, as the bolded shows their whole position is one of protecting an industry rather than that the ad itself was actually misleading . Like I said I would suggest following the money on this one. Of course I read it. It's the wording that miss leading as there is no evidence to state unequivocally that any of the hormones cause cancer. Starting matter of factly that they do is misleading and I agree with your protection if industry point. What they should have said it that the hormones may cause cancer, not that they will. It is a complex argument, as studies suggest that they do and some studies suggest they don't. https://m.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3560&title=Cows-milk-and-cancer-risk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 18, 2018 #15 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Farmer77 said: I think we're probably close to the same page on this one. Stay natural, stay renewable, stay clean and farming is all good. Its when you start messing with things or treating the animals poorly that we all start to suffer. The only reason I'm really posting on this is after reading about how the milk industry is trying to sneak aspartame into milk without having to label it my radar is up for shenanigans from them. I only buy local milk (Heritages) who are my backdoor Quaker cousins. I won't drink that grocery store dreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 18, 2018 Author #16 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: I think we're probably close to the same page on this one. Stay natural, stay renewable, stay clean and farming is all good. Its when you start messing with things or treating the animals poorly that we all start to suffer. The only reason I'm really posting on this is after reading about how the milk industry is trying to sneak aspartame into milk without having to label it my radar is up for shenanigans from them. Do you agree with the usage of genetically modified crops? Why the hell would anyone put aspartame in milk? But there was a study in the UK showing it has no adverse effects. https://www.bmj.com/content/329/7469/755/rapid-responses Edited May 18, 2018 by danydandan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 18, 2018 #17 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, danydandan said: Do you agree with the usage of genetically modified crops? It's not the GMO crops in themselves but the 24D Montsano coats the seeds with that get you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 18, 2018 #18 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, danydandan said: Do you agree with the usage of genetically modified crops? Yes and no. Theoretically I absolutely do. They have the power to do wonderful things for the 3rd world nations and lets be honest largely GMO organisms are really just a fast forward version of what some hero of mine did to make the Jack Herer Strain so I cant totally hate the concept LOL In practice though I absolutely do not. Humans suck, we're greedy and lazy and we will find a way to **** everything up by playing god on fast forward. Having companies with their own armies owning so many GMO patents is probably the "heres your sign" moment that we already have, IMO . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 18, 2018 #19 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Farmer77 said: Yes and no. Theoretically I absolutely do. They have the power to do wonderful things for the 3rd world nations and lets be honest largely GMO organisms are really just a fast forward version of what some hero of mine did to make the Jack Herer Strain so I cant totally hate the concept LOL In practice though I absolutely do not. Humans suck, we're greedy and lazy and we will find a way to **** everything up by playing god on fast forward. Having companies with their own armies owning so many GMO patents is probably the "heres your sign" moment that we already have, IMO . My friend, Dr. Rutledge Ellis-Benke developed the single ear, drought resistant corn which saved a lot of lives in Africa. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 18, 2018 #20 Share Posted May 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, danydandan said: Do you agree with the usage of genetically modified crops? Why the hell would anyone put aspartame in milk? But there was a study in the UK showing it has no adverse effects. https://www.bmj.com/content/329/7469/755/rapid-responses They never did a real study on it's adverse effects on the microbiome. Some researchers think there is one and that it damages the digestive system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 18, 2018 Author #21 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Piney said: They never did a real study on it's adverse effects on the microbiome. Some researchers think there is one and that it damages the digestive system. Are they currently doing one ? I suppose even if it has a one percent chance of it causing even one person harm it should not be on the market. In my opinion. Edited May 18, 2018 by danydandan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 18, 2018 #22 Share Posted May 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, danydandan said: Why the hell would anyone put aspartame in milk? To sweeten it so people will drink more of it. I understand the science is out on aspartame (although i personally avoid it) but my larger problem is their efforts to keep its addition a secret. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 18, 2018 Author #23 Share Posted May 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: To sweeten it so people will drink more of it. I understand the science is out on aspartame (although i personally avoid it) but my larger problem is their efforts to keep its addition a secret. Thankfully most of our milk in Ireland is local and thus kinda stuff doesn't happen. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 18, 2018 #24 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, danydandan said: Thankfully most of our milk in Ireland is local and thus kinda stuff doesn't happen. Weirdly I wonder about that kind of stuff, I appreciate the info.....OK so while I'm showing my stupidity, what volume do you buy milk in? Pint, Gallon etc? If you don't mind me asking that is. Guess its a little weird some random dude just started quizzing you like youre the tourism board. Edited May 18, 2018 by Farmer77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 18, 2018 Author #25 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: Weirdly I wonder about that kind of stuff, I appreciate the info.....OK so while I'm showing my stupidity, what volume do you buy milk in? Pint, Gallon etc? I used to do alot of work, in the waste output water analysis from creameries in Ireland fir the EPA here. Some of the chemicals used would make you wonder, but never seen aspartame on any chemical analyses. Usually milk is by litre. Interestingly you see what that waste water did to the anslysers. Edited May 18, 2018 by danydandan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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