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All Roads Lead Back to Barack Obama

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Farmer77
On ‎5‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 1:38 PM, AnchorSteam said:

And the dummies still try to play the race-card whenever anything critical of Obama is ever said.

By anyone.

For any reason.

I found this bit especially interesting -

I remember in the 1960s and 70s that the Left was totally antagonistic towards the CIA and everyone in it, and everything they did.

Now that the US Intel community can be weaponized and used as a Gestapo against their political foes, a monstrous development to me.... the Left is 100% behind them no matter what they are getting caught doing illegally.

Sheds new light on who really does believe in Democracy in this country, and who does not.

The left in the 1960's would be hardcore "conservatives" now. The political scales shift , its a little disingenuous to attach todays political left to those of the 60's and 70's. 

 

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Aquila King
11 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

its a little disingenuous to attach todays political left to those of the 60's and 70's. 

Yet they'll continue to do so regardless.

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hacktorp
11 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

The political scales shift , its a little disingenuous to attach todays political left to those of the 60's and 70's.

It appears AnchorSteam was actually pointing out the disconnect between the political left of the past and that of today...not trying to attach them...how did you miss that?

Or were you just being "disingenuous"...?

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Ellapennella
15 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

The left in the 1960's would be hardcore "conservatives" now. The political scales shift , its a little disingenuous to attach todays political left to those of the 60's and 70's. 

 

That's false they would just be older and wiser at doing what they want to do to tear down the country. 

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Farmer77
4 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

That's false they would just be older and wiser at doing what they want to do to tear down the country. 

 

7 hours ago, hacktorp said:

It appears AnchorSteam was actually pointing out the disconnect between the political left of the past and that of today...not trying to attach them...how did you miss that?

Or were you just being "disingenuous"...?

You missed the point about political scales shifting. What was considered radically left in the 1960's would be considered conservative or at least center-moderate today. 

 

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Ellapennella
1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

 

You missed the point about political scales shifting. What was considered radically left in the 1960's would be considered conservative or at least center-moderate today. 

 

Are you referring to what you said about them being conservatives now? 

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Farmer77
2 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

Are you referring to what you said about them being conservatives now? 

Yes. People who were on the left end of the spectrum back then would be considered to be on the moderate to conservative end of the spectrum now. 

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Ellapennella
Just now, Farmer77 said:

Yes. People who were on the left end of the spectrum back then would be considered to be on the moderate to conservative end of the spectrum now. 

 

I didn't miss it   I  would disagree with it. if  you're talking about the communist hippy socialist Marxist of that day . 

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Farmer77
Just now, Ellapennella said:

 

I didn't miss it   I  would disagree with it. if  you're talking about the communist hippy socialist Marxist of that day . 

LOL I'm talking about political science, but you do you. 

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Ellapennella
Just now, Farmer77 said:

LOL I'm talking about political science, but you do you. 

So you think that the behavior of individuals like say The Weather Underground would be seen as moderate to conservative in their actions and ideology in 2018 from what they were doing  and how they were thinking in terms of ideology back then ? has that ideology ever changed during the course of history? 

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Farmer77
1 minute ago, Ellapennella said:

So you think that the behavior of individuals like say The Weather Underground would be seen as moderate to conservative in their actions and ideology in 2018 from what they were doing  and how they were thinking in terms of ideology back then ? has that ideology ever changed during the course of history? 

Ugh do you honestly think the Weather Underground was a microcosm of society at that time?  

 

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Ellapennella
18 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Ugh do you honestly think the Weather Underground was a microcosm of society at that time?  

 

Do you want to pretend like they and others in that ideology are not  and never were really relevant at all?

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On 5/24/2018 at 1:38 PM, AnchorSteam said:

And the dummies still try to play the race-card whenever anything critical of Obama is ever said.

By anyone.

For any reason.

I found this bit especially interesting -

I remember in the 1960s and 70s that the Left was totally antagonistic towards the CIA and everyone in it, and everything they did.

Now that the US Intel community can be weaponized and used as a Gestapo against their political foes, a monstrous development to me.... the Left is 100% behind them no matter what they are getting caught doing illegally.

Sheds new light on who really does believe in Democracy in this country, and who does not.

So why do you suppose that in 2018 individuals who are whatever it is that the democrats are now ignore all these things.. Are any of those would of been this today by comparison of   involved in politics nowadays?

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I posted his post  again for you because  you avoided something in your reply 

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Tatetopa
6 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

That's false they would just be older and wiser at doing what they want to do to tear down the country. 

That is hooey!  I am of that generation and have spent my working career making American manufacturing more efficient and the best in the world.   Not everyone who disagrees with you wants to take America down.  Some think your group is doing that.  I think there is plenty of blame to go around.

 

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Tatetopa

A lot of this thread is complaining by snowflake, entitled Republicans trying to play the victim card.  Yep, you guys can do it too just like the farthest out anarchist lefties.  Come back to the middle.

Obama wasn't that great during his terms.  His ghost doesn't haunt the present.  You wrap yourself up in conspiracy and look for reasons to fail.   You have the power.  You are strong. Stop whining and run the country.  Don't expect everybody to agree and kiss your behind or make it easy, but 99.9%  of us will go along because we want America to succeed.  

The awful truth is that Republicans are just as dishonest and incompetent at running the country as the Democrats. Look no further than that for an excuse.

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Ellapennella
Just now, Tatetopa said:

That is hooey!  I am of that generation and have spent my working career making American manufacturing more efficient and the best in the world.   Not everyone who disagrees with you wants to take America down.  Some think your group is doing that.  I think there is plenty of blame to go around.

 

No that's fact. The left would if they could turn America into what is going on over in Europe. We've seen the left try it already with political correctness on us. But as for the blame game I do blame others that say they're conservatives but really are not. 

   

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Tatetopa
4 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

No that's fact. The left would if they could turn America into what is going on over in Europe. We've seen the left try it already with political correctness on us. But as for the blame game I do blame others that say they're conservatives but really are not. 

Apparently you know a lot more about the left than I do. I don't want the US to be like Europe. Political correctness in my book is just equal respect for all citizens of the United States of America regardless of race, creed, or color. That is one thing that makes America great.  And I am sensitive about it.  I grew up in the South with a hateful mouth and stereotype ideas reinforced by my uncles and grandparents.  I have a hard time watching my own mouth and first impressions.

I want America to be as glorious as our Constitution.  I want to live it as the truth and not back off even if we fail sometimes, we keep trying.

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Tatetopa
On 5/27/2018 at 9:47 PM, AnchorSteam said:

Equal opportunity is what we have now.

I would like for this to be true.  Probably it is close.

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Tatetopa
On 5/27/2018 at 9:16 AM, .ZZ. said:

That's innovative.

We all do it don't we?  Fake news.

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Farmer77
1 hour ago, Ellapennella said:

Do you want to pretend like they and others in that ideology are not  and never were really relevant at all?

For the sake of this conversation, yeah they were pretty much irrelevant. You can grab onto extremes in any conversation but its really not an honest tactic Ella. 

1 hour ago, Ellapennella said:

So why do you suppose that in 2018 individuals who are whatever it is that the democrats are now ignore all these things..  

I think the majority of Americans ignore these things because what Anchorsteam is talking about is completely fabricated. The US intel community hasn't been used as a gestapo, that is the ravings of a man under investigation, nothing more. 

1 hour ago, Ellapennella said:

Are any of those would of been this today by comparison of   involved in politics nowadays?

I'm sure some are, and honestly I think you would probably be surprised at how mild their views actually are, however the topic was "the left" not individuals. As a whole "the left" has a completely different definition today than it did in the 1960's. Hence my claim that it is disingenuous to compare the two. 

 

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Kismit
On 28/05/2018 at 3:26 AM, Ellapennella said:

Seriously,  shall we compare their records thus far?  Some say that Trump is heaven sent  at this time to help America & those that don't like what he's doing well I doubt that they're praying to God anyway. 

The Politics sections at UM are hard enough to Moderate. Keep religion out of them.

 

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Ellapennella

My post  was in this response to this context. 

On 5/27/2018 at 12:09 AM, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Ironic really, as it’s a piece saying “look at all this bad **** that happened under Obama”. I suspect it’ll be spun as “heaven help us what it’s like now under Darth Trump”. 

 

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Ellapennella
5 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

A lot of this thread is complaining by snowflake, entitled Republicans trying to play the victim card. 

Snowflake entitled republicans playing the victim card?  why you're saying that republicans are playing the victim card? 

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Yep, you guys can do it too just like the farthest out anarchist lefties. 

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Actually republicans are the real anarchist for they the true anarchist want no government ruling over them. 

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come back to the middle

We elected a President who is very much in the middle .

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Obama wasn't that great during his terms. 

Ar least not for America's sake of surviving.

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His ghost doesn't haunt the present. 

Not if you're secretly missing him I suppose.

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You wrap yourself up in conspiracy and look for reasons to fail.   

 The snowflakes looking for our now great American President Donald Trump  to fail are the ones wrapped in conspiracy .

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You have the power.  You are strong. Stop whining and run the country. 

Never underestimate the Donald, we know that.do you know that?

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Don't expect everybody to agree and kiss your behind or make it easy,

What Pro Americans expect is our  country unite and our democracy be kept. 

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but 99.9%  of us will go along because we want America to succeed.  

 

Are you sure about that ? seeing is believing.

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The awful truth is that Republicans are just as dishonest and incompetent at running the country as the Democrats. Look no further than that for an excuse

I see it like this

 posted  by AnchorSteam

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Now that the US Intel community can be weaponized and used as a Gestapo against their political foes, a monstrous development to me.... the Left is 100% behind them no matter what they are getting caught doing illegally.

Sheds new light on who really does believe in Democracy in this country, and who do

 

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Ellapennella
5 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Apparently you know a lot more about the left than I do.

They've been outed I suppose as something no one recognizes as being for the country,were they ever really for it? 

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I don't want the US to be like Europe.

Obama was trying his hardest to do it and if Hillary  or Bernie would of gotten in they would have too.

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Political correctness in my book is just equal respect for all citizens of the United States of America regardless of race, creed, or color.

political correctness was designed for was to take away and control your speech like what is going on in the UK.

 

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 And I am sensitive about it.  I grew up in the South with a hateful mouth and stereotype ideas reinforced by my uncles and grandparents. 

a lot of people grew up in the south city folks have their issues too. 

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I have a hard time watching my own mouth and first impressions.

 

and you think this is because of your family? 

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I want America to be as glorious as our Constitution.  I want to live it as the truth and not back off even if we fail sometimes, we keep trying.

Me too.

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Ellapennella
5 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

For the sake of this conversation, yeah they were pretty much irrelevant. You can grab onto extremes in any conversation but its really not an honest tactic Ella. 

 

If you're not gonna be honest about the weather undergrounds ideology and their influence in American politics  how can there be a conversation with you  about politics and their role in it? The UK was not honest with themselves about things and look what's going on there.

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I think the majority of Americans ignore these things because what Anchorsteam is talking about is completely fabricated.

You would like for  what you're saying about that to be true but what you're saying about that  is not true.

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The US intel community hasn't been used as a gestapo, that is the ravings of a man under investigation, nothing more. 

 

Under the law, to unmask for political reasons, or to leak classified information containing Americans names is illegal.

 

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I'm sure some are, and honestly I think you would probably be surprised at how mild their views actually are, however the topic was "the left" not individuals.

I'm speaking about the left as in political left activist of the 60's.I'm speaking about those individuals who have stepped into positions in universities and government and you would like to assure us that the are no worries about them? 

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As a whole "the left" has a completely different definition today than it did in the 1960's. Hence my claim that it is disingenuous to compare the two. 

Individuals involved in the weather underground who helped jump start Obama from their living room in Chicago have been on record stating that they learned that they were getting nowhere in the streets and so they got into government and universities to influence transformation of America, 

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Ellapennella
7 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

 I don't want the US to be like Europe. Political correctness in my book is just equal respect for all citizens of the United States of America regardless of race, creed, or color.

Do you get why political correctness is needed ? It was needed in hopes of disarming  our freedom of thought speech and our 2nd amendment. Identity politics is big money for those pushing it in politics . It's  for the love of money that's  selling identity politics at the expense of our Nation. 

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