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The hippy culture set out to transform the world by rejecting every social, political, economic and aesthetic feature of mainstream Western society.

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In reality, there was no single “60s”, no golden age, and nothing to come to an end. Instead there were three taste cultures that all coincided, and started to change society’s values.

The first of these cultures was based in fashion and music. Peacock styles for men – long hair and bright colours – and women in mini-skirts or flowing hippy garb. The second group were political revolutionaries, post and neo-Marxists for whom the transformation of socio-economic conditions was the pressing priority. The third group believed in inner transformation and liberation achieved through marijuana and LSD.

Though the three groups’ priorities were fundamentally different, they shared a belief that the past was old and stale, along with a commitment to unfettered individualism. There were, of course, still significant overlaps, and when psychedelic culture met the radical left, notions of protest as play and performance took centre stage.

http://theconversation.com/the-summer-of-love-was-more-than-hippies-and-lsd-it-was-the-start-of-modern-individualism-77212

I've been thinking about the hippy culture & politics. I see where some of you mention how you remember things from the past regarding politics . Do any of you  remember the hippy's? Did the hippy culture help or hurt our nation? What happened with the hippies?How did it happen & where are they today?

 

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The hippy culture set out to transform the world by rejecting every social, political, economic and aesthetic feature of mainstream Western society.

What does that even mean? Is it even possible ? there had to be a common interest in all of the above for a  political,social & economical movement . Did they fail? If so why? 

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I lived through that era as a young man. I was 20 when The Beatles music hit the U.S. What a huge change in music is was for me and my peers. For me, I noticed a gradual change in our youth culture, mainly because of the music we were hearing.  I think the revolution in music was what drove the culture change from the conservative '50s to the '60s.

A year later I was drafted into the Army for 2 years, spent 1 year in Vietnam. While I was serving in Vietnam we were protesting the war, especially the draftees. I remember our Company, which was a support company, actually went on a slow-down strike. We didn't like the Company Commander, so we tried to get rid of him somehow, eventually we got him in trouble with the General. We didn't have much respect for Army discipline.

I won't make this too long, but when I was discharged from the Army and got home, everything had changed. All the young  guys suddenly had long hair and the so-called hippy culture was in full bloom. I had to catch up. 

A real Hippy was a person who completely discarded conventional society, went off to live in a Commune or something. Everyone else I knew were a brotherhood of long-hairs, you could say, who had this youth culture in common. 

It was a great time to be young.

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20 hours ago, StarMountainKid said:

I lived through that era as a young man. I was 20 when The Beatles music hit the U.S. What a huge change in music is was for me and my peers. For me, I noticed a gradual change in our youth culture, mainly because of the music we were hearing.  I think the revolution in music was what drove the culture change from the conservative '50s to the '60s.

A year later I was drafted into the Army for 2 years, spent 1 year in Vietnam. While I was serving in Vietnam we were protesting the war, especially the draftees. I remember our Company, which was a support company, actually went on a slow-down strike. We didn't like the Company Commander, so we tried to get rid of him somehow, eventually we got him in trouble with the General. We didn't have much respect for Army discipline.

I won't make this too long, but when I was discharged from the Army and got home, everything had changed. All the young  guys suddenly had long hair and the so-called hippy culture was in full bloom. I had to catch up. 

A real Hippy was a person who completely discarded conventional society, went off to live in a Commune or something. Everyone else I knew were a brotherhood of long-hairs, you could say, who had this youth culture in common. 

It was a great time to be young.

So was it the 50's & 60's when the first fears in atomic weapons and nuclear fallout began to be realized by people or was it before that? 

The movement went wrong somewhere. I think that the word hippy or hippie means to be awake to be hip to know what was going on, right?

I was reading in an article that drugs and drunkenness took over & consciousness in being awake talk was no longer important. How did it get to that? Why do people still want to fight for all drugs to be legalized? 

 

 

 

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In 1967, just after the Summer of Love, The Atlantic published “The Flowering of the Hippies,” a profile of San Francisco’s new youth culture. “Almost the first point of interest about the hippies was that they were middle-class American children to the bone,” the author noted. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/07/the-death-of-the-hippies/397739/

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21 hours ago, StarMountainKid said:

 

A real Hippy was a person who completely discarded conventional society, went off to live in a Commune or something. Everyone else I knew were a brotherhood of long-hairs, you could say, who had this youth culture in common. 

It was a great time to be young.

What about now in this time? Have you noticed of felt any similarities in the protests that occurred for the reasons they occurred  now as like they did then?

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Just now, Gromdor said:

The hippies always struck me as merely being the millennials of the 60s-70s.

But the hippies knew what was a fascist as opposed to the millennials, don't you think so? 

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Just now, Ellapennella said:

But the hippies knew what was a fascist as opposed to the millennials, don't you think so? 

Nah, they were mostly middle classed kids going along with a trend.

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3 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Nah, they were mostly middle classed kids going along with a trend.

I think most were just going along with what was trending the same as  how they're going along with resisting President Trump.

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1 hour ago, Ellapennella said:

What about now in this time? Have you noticed of felt any similarities in the protests that occurred for the reasons they occurred  now as like they did then?

I don't know. 

 

1 hour ago, Ellapennella said:

I think most were just going along with what was trending the same as  how they're going along with resisting President Trump.

There was this, of course, but I think it was also more than just following a trend. 

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4 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

I think most were just going along with what was trending the same as  how they're going along with resisting President Trump.

Probably true.  Most that resist (or support for that matter) seem to be just going along with the current flow.  Peer pressure, social media, Facebook, plain old advertising can easily direct people into a direction.  It's why I posted that free will is an illusion in another thread.

It's the same with things like Pogs, pokemon, or other trends really.

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6 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Probably true.  Most that resist (or support for that matter) seem to be just going along with the current flow.  Peer pressure, social media, Facebook, plain old advertising can easily direct people into a direction.  It's why I posted that free will is an illusion in another thread.

It's the same with things like Pogs, pokemon, or other trends really.

Yes, we became what we protested against. 

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I think the main difference between the kids during the hippy days and the kids today has to do with the mindset of the parents.

Back then, parents generally had no idea what was driving what the kids were trying to say. They pretty much didn't care what kids had to say which only drove them to become more determined. Kids remember "where to be seen and not heard."

Today, it's the parents who are to be seen and not heard.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

But the hippies knew what was a fascist as opposed to the millennials, don't you think so? 

Not everyone from the baby boomer generation was a hippie, hippies were a subculture of baby boomers that shared similar ideologies and practices.

It's ridiculous to compare a subculture of one generation to the entirety of another generation. You're (no surprise) painting with an extremely broad brush.

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5 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

I think most were just going along with what was trending the same as how they're going along with resisting President Trump.

I can easily list out all of the reasons why I resist Trump (though it might take me a day or two there's so many), so my opposition to Trump isn't merely me going along with the 'trendy' thing to do. If I was just doing what's popular, I'd probably be pro-Trump on here  given that the majority of people who post in the political section seem to be so. My opposition is directly rooted in his policy positions. No more, no less.

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17 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

I think the main difference between the kids during the hippy days and the kids today has to do with the mindset of the parents.

Back then, parents generally had no idea what was driving what the kids were trying to say. They pretty much didn't care what kids had to say which only drove them to become more determined. Kids remember "where to be seen and not heard."

Today, it's the parents who are to be seen and not heard.

 

 

So true. Have you noticed the difference in change that television kids take in ? It's obviously  thought out.  

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21 hours ago, StarMountainKid said:

I don't know. 

 

There was this, of course, but I think it was also more than just following a trend. 

What happened to the movement? I do think it started out as a counterculture movement but the culture became something unrealistic and trendy for a while. The real cause got lost, overshadowed with all sorts of things that were not good and yet was presented in the name of love & peace.

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18 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Probably true.  Most that resist (or support for that matter) seem to be just going along with the current flow.  Peer pressure, social media, Facebook, plain old advertising can easily direct people into a direction.  It's why I posted that free will is an illusion in another thread.

It's the same with things like Pogs, pokemon, or other trends really.

Exactly. How many youth of this generation think that their life is not worth anything because of what they see others posting on fakebook ? I'll look for that thread. 

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18 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Not everyone from the baby boomer generation was a hippie, hippies were a subculture of baby boomers that shared similar ideologies and practices.

It's ridiculous to compare a subculture of one generation to the entirety of another generation. You're (no surprise) painting with an extremely broad brush.

Is it fair for you to state that?  The individuals that resisted President Trump and shown on television as choosing love not hate were gathered together no differently , they were being instructed in universities, same as the middle class hippies of America  were . 

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18 hours ago, Aquila King said:

I can easily list out all of the reasons why I resist Trump (though it might take me a day or two there's so many), so my opposition to Trump isn't merely me going along with the 'trendy' thing to do. If I was just doing what's popular, I'd probably be pro-Trump on here  given that the majority of people who post in the political section seem to be so. My opposition is directly rooted in his policy positions. No more, no less.

People should always vote  for whoever they want to vote for but  our democracy  should be respected. People should be honest. I don't see the resistant movement giving peace and love a chance to survive. 

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Do you think that anyone who had ties to the weather underground should ever have positions in government?  I think it's about 2 minutes. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

So true. Have you noticed the difference in change that television kids take in ? It's obviously  thought out.  

 

Oh yeah, I sure have noticed.

But isn't it just the result of most of those who are now in charge of television and all media having lived through those times?

Now they're making a mistake going too far, by indoctrinating today's kids with their now established counterviews which are equally misinformed as our parent's views were in the 50's and 60's except worse.

Back then from the WW2 generation, kids were taught to "toe the line." To respect and always do the right thing. At least as far as mom and dad viewed it and gave instruction based on their often shortsighted "understandings." 

But today, a lot of parents generally suffer from having lost their way and now are unable to get through the fog of having been determined to dismiss what was actually true that their parents failed to explain thoroughly enough. Back then, the inclination was to utter something to their kids which they presumed would be accepted out of hand that their children would understand. But for whatever reason, they weren't really interested about their kid's sovereignty of personality. They treated kids like potted plants. Just add water and watch them grow.

So now this has flip flopped. Now parents are hypersensitive (because of what they went through as kids) to the sovereignty of their kid's personhood. Often leaving kids today with the feeling they can do or say anything they want.

But all isn't lost. There is enough truth being comprehended. Why else did Donald Trump get elected?

 

 

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55 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

Is it fair for you to state that?  The individuals that resisted President Trump and shown on television as choosing love not hate were gathered together no differently , they were being instructed in universities, same as the middle class hippies of America  were . 

I've already spelled it out for you. No need to repeat myself.

54 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

People should always vote  for whoever they want to vote for but  our democracy  should be respected. People should be honest. I don't see the resistant movement giving peace and love a chance to survive.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. In what way do you see 'peace and love not having a chance to survive'?

If you're just childishly labeling your personal worldview as 'peace and love' while anything other than that isn't, then I suppose I understand your F'd up logic there.

59 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

Do you think that anyone who had ties to the weather underground should ever have positions in government?  I think it's about 2 minutes. 

 

Oh, that's hilarious!! :lol: You've clearly never actually listened to what practically every anti-Trump person has ever said about Trump and his supporters, because I know as a fact that that's just a bunch of out-of-your-mind conspiratorial BS.

No one's advocating for putting Trump supporters in gas chambers. God, why are you conservatives so afraid of everything? You're afraid of Muslims, afraid of illegal immigrants, afraid of socialists, and now you're literally afraid of some made up conservative genocide? Give me a break.

I can't in the least bit take you serious after that nonsense. I will say though, that just made my day!

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56 minutes ago, Will Due said:

But all isn't lost. There is enough truth being comprehended. Why else did Donald Trump get elected?

Because of people like you who believe in grey alien Jesus yet talk down to those younger then you as not being as 'educated' in your old-school made-up nonsense.

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5 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

Because of people like you who believe in grey alien Jesus yet talk down to those younger then you as not being as 'educated' in your old-school made-up nonsense.

 

Shall I go and stand in the corner?

 

 

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