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Canberra man falls victim to the Uluru curse

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XenoFish
3 minutes ago, evefromgh said:

And in your opinion, what's the difference between magic and magick?

Magic = Stage Craft

Magick = The art and science of creating a change in consciousness. 

4 minutes ago, evefromgh said:

By psychological, you mean?

Meaning the programs in your brain. Your mindset, idea, ideologies, beliefs, etc. You change those things, you change your subjective perception of the world around you. You act differently, look at things differently. Beliefs are a subjective filter and will lead you to a lot of confirmation bias and magical thinking. The amulets and such are just placebo and any "energy" you feel is just the results of a psychosomatic (mind-body) sensation, it exist, because you expect it to exist, which is a false positive.

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XenoFish

Those who are more spiritual and/or religious are more susceptible to the idea of being "cursed". Which is nothing more than a self-induced nocebo effect. 

 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/think-well/201803/how-stop-self-fulfilling-prophecies-failure

https://www.aconsciousrethink.com/6134/self-fulfilling-prophecy-law-of-attraction/

It's all in our heads.

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Black Monk

My sister has just been to Ayers Rock recently during her six-month tour of Australia. She also went to Alice Springs and found it disappointing. 

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ChrLzs
On 5/28/2018 at 10:48 PM, Black Monk said:

My sister has just been to Ayers Rock recently during her six-month tour of Australia. She also went to Alice Springs and found it disappointing. 

I find her disappointing...  It's a jaded person who would not be impressed by Uluru, which it is more properly called nowadays, and also the nearby amazing Kata Tjuta rock formations. I'm not a very religious or 'spiritual' person, but it is hard not to feel a sense of awe and mysticism at these huge formations which just spring up from what are almost featureless plains surrounding them.   I've spent a fair bit of time up there and my closest friend lives in Alice Springs - she works with many of the indigenous folk in that region including the Anangu who are the 'traditional owners' of Uluru (although they will tell you the land owns them...).  There is no 'official' curse, but the Anangu will smile knowingly when the subject is raised ("we'd just rather they didn't take away the surface of the land we belong to, so if they believe that, it's good!" is pretty much how I've heard it put).

The Anangu (currently - see below) allow visitors to climb the rock (it's a hard climb and parts can be dangerous), but they politely suggest that you do not.  The main reason for that is simply that people get injured or killed (35 deaths over the years), and that is not a nice thing to be added into the stories and spirituality of the place.  The Anangu want it to be a place of great significance, not a place marked by death and injury.   I understand that in 2019, the climb will be removed. FTR, I have not climbed it.

It's an incredible place, imo second only to the Head of the Bight as far as Australian landscapes go...

 

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Vlad the Mighty

What is there at Alice Springs? Anything worth going there for? 

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ChrLzs
14 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

What is there at Alice Springs? Anything worth going there for? 

You probably wouldn't just go there as a tourist, other than to use it as a base for visiting all the amazing stuff nearby, like Uluru, KataTjuta (formerly The Olgas), Kings Canyon, Finke-/Ormiston- and other Gorges, etc.  The town itself has a lot of character, and it is inside what appears to be a meteorite crater (it isn't, but that's the sense you get) in the middle of nowhere.   Check this for a list of stuff to do:
https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Attractions-g255063-Activities-Alice_Springs_Red_Centre_Northern_Territory.html

and the only other advice I'd give is that if you don't like open space / desert scenery, don't go.

There's also the Todd river that 'flows' through the town, trouble is, it is almost always completely dry.  They have a joke 'boat' race that can't be held if there's any water in the river...

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Vlad the Mighty
8 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

You probably wouldn't just go there as a tourist, other than to use it as a base for visiting all the amazing stuff nearby, like Uluru, KataTjuta (formerly The Olgas), Kings Canyon, Finke-/Ormiston- and other Gorges, etc.  The town itself has a lot of character, and it is inside what appears to be a meteorite crater (it isn't, but that's the sense you get) in the middle of nowhere.   Check this for a list of stuff to do:
https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Attractions-g255063-Activities-Alice_Springs_Red_Centre_Northern_Territory.html

and the only other advice I'd give is that if you don't like open space / desert scenery, don't go.

There's also the Todd river that 'flows' through the town, trouble is, it is almost always completely dry.  They have a joke 'boat' race that can't be held if there's any water in the river...

Are there still camels? 

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ChrLzs
4 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

Are there still camels? 

hell, yes.  From short rides to expeditions, to burgers and jerky..  you name it.  :D

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Black Monk
On 04/06/2018 at 8:30 AM, Vlad the Mighty said:

What is there at Alice Springs? Anything worth going there for? 

No. My sister found it very disappointing.

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Black Monk
On 04/06/2018 at 7:40 AM, ChrLzs said:

I find her disappointing...  It's a jaded person who would not be impressed by Uluru, which it is more properly called nowadays, 

 

Well it's called Ayers Rock.

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AustinHinton

I wonder how many ‘curses’ through history were just the result of delusions/psychological problems/paranoia? 

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acute
On 04/06/2018 at 8:30 AM, Vlad the Mighty said:

What is there at Alice Springs? Anything worth going there for? 

Water.

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Piney
2 hours ago, acute said:

Water.

Are we feeling like a dick this morning? :tu:

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acute
Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Piney said:

Are we feeling like a dick this morning? :tu:

Excuse me? :angry:

I have never been so accurately insulted in my whole life!

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XenoFish
9 hours ago, AustinHinton said:

I wonder how many ‘curses’ through history were just the result of delusions/psychological problems/paranoia? 

I'd estimate that all of them were.

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AustinHinton
13 hours ago, XenoFish said:

I'd estimate that all of them were.

I remember reading a theory that cases of “possession” were likely just misunderstandings of multiple personality disorder. 

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Piney
9 hours ago, AustinHinton said:

I remember reading a theory that cases of “possession” were likely just misunderstandings of multiple personality disorder. 

and also ASD and OCD. 

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DingoLingo
On 6/9/2018 at 11:55 PM, Black Monk said:

Well it's called Ayers Rock.

ahh actually its not, has not been called Ayers rock since the 90's , its name is Uluru / Ayers Rock, but pretty much everyone calls it Uluru now in honor of the tradition land owners

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Still Waters

My parents had a holiday in Australia once and stayed with relatives living there, they went to Ayers Rock.

Whenever anyone mentions Alice Springs I always think of the classic movie "A town like Alice", it's one of my favourite oldies and I've watched it a number of times.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049871/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Town_Like_Alice_(1956_film)

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