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A brilliant take on the God Paradox ...


AnchorSteam

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2 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

Well, I think the point might be that (in this thread, anyway) that God probably does exist .... he's just not the kind of person that anyone in their right mind would want to associate themselves with , if they had a choice.

 

Oh really, which one would that be? 

This one.

 

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On 28/05/2018 at 2:41 AM, AnchorSteam said:

 

Oh.... it wasn't from a Manga, but a Novella. And it starts right off with the man and his death in Tokyo. Here is the translation ( a WIP, actually) -

http://skythewood.blogspot.sg/p/youjo-senki.html

Youjo Senki translates as "War Diary of a little girl" and the anime is titled "The saga of Tanya the Evil" .... so we have the usual weirdness with titles going on.

 

and in basic terms, there is a disconnect between the creator and the created that is so vast that it does not seem to be something that can be mended in a world such as ours. IMHO, faith is going away because it deserves to go away. The Childhood of the species is over, it is time for us to make our own way.

And in the story, the parallel between God and the German General Staff is spot-on; no matter how intelligent, accomplished and successful they are, final victory keeps slipping from their grasp because the world itself does not fit into their narrow conception of what it is or should be. Tanya herself keeps trying to explain this, and both parties don't seem to be able to understand it. Both parties give her power and send her off to do their bidding, and Tanya becomes a vicious killed who hates the war but still goes to battle with grim enthusiasm because that is all that is left to her. 

And the enemy don't see her as anything but a monster, of course.  

Oddly, it is the General Staff that are the only ones that respect her and listen to her... but it still isn't doing any good. 

Maybe it is the corruption that is power, or maybe the created are too wedded to the flaws of the creator.

 

OK thanks I was mixing up anime and manga  :)  

Kinda thought anime was a sub genre of manga (comics) 

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On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 2:52 PM, Opus Magnus said:

It's not all stories is where the point is being missed. As it says the Canaanites were in Lebanon thousands of years ago, and that's where the archaeologists found their skeletons. The temple in Jerusalem is known to exist, and there are physical ruins. You are selling a lie when you call it stories/ fables/ fiction, because it is more than that. You're trying to throw the baby out with the bath water.

So does that mean that Spiderman comics are true, because they take place in Manhattan?

Or that Zeus was real because he visited different parts of Greece?

The Greek sagas speak of real people & places as well. Should we take the tales of their gods as gospel too?

The problem, as I see it, is that an ancient people wrote an account of creation with their version of god. They incorporated fact (people, places and events) into their fanciful stories. Just because there are factual elements in the stories, does not lead to the conclusion that ALL elements are factual.

But then, so did many other people from other localities. And the only reason that we don't hear more about Polynesian, Inuit, Native American, Celtic, etc., etc., creation myths is because Christianity was so very Militantly, and aggressively active in suppressing those other beliefs.

Personally, I see as much validity in worshipping Thor, Cernunnos , Avalokiteshvara, Ahura Mazda, or Bastet as I do in worshipping Yahweh or Jesus.

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29 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

So does that mean that Spiderman comics are true, because they take place in Manhattan?

Or that Zeus was real because he visited different parts of Greece?

The Greek sagas speak of real people & places as well. Should we take the tales of their gods as gospel too?

The problem, as I see it, is that an ancient people wrote an account of creation with their version of god. They incorporated fact (people, places and events) into their fanciful stories. Just because there are factual elements in the stories, does not lead to the conclusion that ALL elements are factual.

But then, so did many other people from other localities. And the only reason that we don't hear more about Polynesian, Inuit, Native American, Celtic, etc., etc., creation myths is because Christianity was so very Militantly, and aggressively active in suppressing those other beliefs.

Personally, I see as much validity in worshipping Thor, Cernunnos , Avalokiteshvara, Ahura Mazda, or Bastet as I do in worshipping Yahweh or Jesus.

No, because spiderman is known by everyone to be fiction, nobody ever said it was real. You're making a giant leap in logic here. Also, the other thing is that these are ancient scripts, and have survived the aeons, where spiderman will probably not survive 200 years in the memory of mankind.

But, there's some belief, that there is a war of Gods, and when one God beats another god, he also wipes his memory off the face of the earth for mankind. So, there are a number of surviving gods in the pantheon, but a lot of them are dead. 

Also, one god of one culture, may be the same god under a different name and similar story across the world.

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36 minutes ago, Opus Magnus said:

Also, one god of one culture, may be the same god under a different name and similar story across the world.

This statement is patently ludicrous, since the 'gods' were specific to an area. Although there is some overlapping (Romans adopting Greek gods and renaming them), for the most part different cultures had different gods with different attributes.

Think you that your god is so mighty that he appeared to other communities under a different name? Then kindly explain why they had such different patterns of worship and sacrifice? Why did the various ancient peoples have such diverse concepts of what god wanted. Why the same message wasn't relayed to the many different cultures on Earth.

 

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1 hour ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Personally, I see as much validity in worshipping Thor, Cernunnos , Avalokiteshvara, Ahura Mazda, or Bastet as I do in worshipping Yahweh or Jesus.

There is more than one path to God.

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44 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

This statement is patently ludicrous, since the 'gods' were specific to an area. Although there is some overlapping (Romans adopting Greek gods and renaming them), for the most part different cultures had different gods with different attributes.

Think you that your god is so mighty that he appeared to other communities under a different name? Then kindly explain why they had such different patterns of worship and sacrifice? Why did the various ancient peoples have such diverse concepts of what god wanted. Why the same message wasn't relayed to the many different cultures on Earth.

 

I disagree, it's more than the Romans and Greeks. For example, Quetzacotl is another immaculate conception, more along the process of the way Erychtheus is immaculate with his parents Athena and Hephaestos. Also, his brother, Xolotl who is the evening star of Venus, as Quetzacotl is the morning star of venus goes along with a common duality. As Xolotl caters to the souls of the recently dead. Also, the Aztecs share the philosophy that one must die a certain way to be accepted in the afterlife, an honorable death. By dying in battle, being struck by lightning, dying while in labor of childbirth for women, or being captured and sacrificed to the god of that kind of sacrifice. But, sacrifices are a fairly common ritual from culture to culture.

But, I believe Jesus Christ, the morning star, is the only way to God, however you find him, whether you know him by name or light, you have to encounter him to actually reach God.

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4 hours ago, Brother_Spirit said:

There is more than one path to God.

That's because its all made up. 

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2 hours ago, XenoFish said:

That's because its all made up. 

How would the fact that it was all made up, allow for many paths to one truth?

Think of a family with 10 children. 

Every one of them is going to have a different personal  relationship, and connection, with their father, even though he is not only real, but very close to them, and even when he treats them all much the same.

 Some will love respect and obey him. Others will disobey, lack respect, and may even hate him.

 Some will follow his ways, while  others will reject them.

 The difference in individuals determines how we respond to both real people and gods.

A strongly independent person will require a very different relationship to a very needy or dependent one.

There may be only  one father, and one god, but every individual must make their own relationship, and find their own path, according to their own needs, desires, and values /beliefs.  

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