Congrats to Irish women!

[Duke Wellington]

14 minutes ago, danydandan said:

All the vote does is allow the government to change the constitution which is a good thing. We don't know what law will be passed and I can assume the opposition will not allow a law with unrestricted abortion so some restrictions will be in place I hope.

Good, maybe my response is over the top but in my area of the UK the local high school has a nursey so that school girls can leave their children in them while going to classes. Watching 14 year olds pushing prams to school is a national disgrace.

[Black Monk]

I don't like the result. There should be a second referendum.

[danydandan]

2 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Good, maybe my response is over the top but in my area of the UK the local high school has a nursey so that school girls can leave their children in them while going to classes. Watching 14 year olds pushing prams to school is a national disgrace.

Wasn't over the top just responsive to what you see and believe.

People seem to think the vote was to allow abortions as soon as the results were out. This isn't the case, the referendum just allows a chance in our constitution. We now need to make a law for abortions.

I can see an unrestricted abortion law being abused by the illegal sex trade here.

[danydandan]

Just now, Black Monk said:

I don't like the result. There should be a second referendum.

Why?

[Black Monk]

Just now, danydandan said:

Why?

Because I think you voted the wrong way and that you didn't really know what you were voting for.

[danydandan]

3 minutes ago, Black Monk said:

Because I think you voted the wrong way and that you didn't really know what you were voting for.

Can you elaborate?

If that is the case the UK should definitely do a second referendum on brexit

Edited May 27, 2018 by danydandan

[Black Monk]

Just now, danydandan said:

Can you elaborate?

You voted to kill children. Therefore I disagree with the result and believe there should be a second referendum - either that or the result should just be ignored. It's obvious the Yes voters didn't really know what they were voting for.

[danydandan]

3 minutes ago, Black Monk said:

You voted to kill children. Therefore I disagree with the result and believe there should be a second referendum - either that or the result should just be ignored. It's obvious the Yes voters didn't really know what they were voting for.

Obvious??? How so? All people voted for was to change the constitution, we don't know what law will be in place.

 

Edited May 27, 2018 by danydandan

[Black Monk]

1 minute ago, danydandan said:

Obvious??? How so?

We all know you didn't really know what you were voting for. And as the referendum result didn't go the way many people wanted it to, it should be re-run or, simply, ignored.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/irelands-referendum-shows-that-some-people-only-like-democracy-when-it-gives-them-what-they-want/

 

[danydandan]

3 minutes ago, Black Monk said:

We all know you didn't really know what you were voting for. And as the referendum result didn't go the way many people wanted it to, it should be re-run or, simply, ignored.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/irelands-referendum-shows-that-some-people-only-like-democracy-when-it-gives-them-what-they-want/

 

66 % of people voted for. And unlike England voting to leave the EU, we as a population where well informed and were not spoon fed lies.

 

[Black Monk]

1 minute ago, danydandan said:

66 % of people voted for. And unlike England voting to leave the EU, we as a population where well informed and were not spoon fed lies.

 

So you just prove Brendan O'Neill's point. Congratulations.

[danydandan]

2 minutes ago, Black Monk said:

So you just prove Brendan O'Neill's point. Congratulations.

So are you by the way.

[Black Monk]

3 minutes ago, danydandan said:

So are you by the way.

I was being ironic and sarcastic.

[danydandan]

1 minute ago, Black Monk said:

I was being ironic and sarcastic.

Ok, good one.

[Duke Wellington]

13 minutes ago, danydandan said:

Can you elaborate?

If that is the case the UK should definitely do a second referendum on brexit

Maybe he is coming from where I came from. 

I`m not a Catholic but there is nothing inherently wrong with a Catholic society having Catholic values. Hold onto them, resist those that will degrade your society into ours. The UK is a shambles with its broken society and the US is just as bad (even worse with its rampant narcissism, consumerism, and mass shootings).

Liberal policies wreck countries. Those advocating them dont take into account what human nature is really like. They also dont realise that the reason why we didnt have a liberal society 100 years back is that people in the past knew what it leads too. 

[Duke Wellington]

13 minutes ago, danydandan said:

66 % of people voted for. And unlike England voting to leave the EU, we as a population where well informed and were not spoon fed lies.

The Brexit vote won despite wholly negative campaigning by the bank of England and despite people being concerned about their jobs at a time when we still had quite bad economic problems. 

If that vote is re-held in 10 years do you think it would be 52% voting to leave or nearer 60%?

[danydandan]

8 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

The Brexit vote won despite wholly negative campaigning by the bank of England and despite people being concerned about their jobs at a time when we still had quite bad economic problems. 

If that vote is re-held in 10 years do you think it would be 52% voting to leave or nearer 60%?

In my opinion, brexit was an anti government vote rather than an anti EU vote. But I fully respect the result and no there should not be a second referendum, unless there is obvious puplic opinion to have one. The only issue I have with brexit is what it might do to peace in the North. Now we have Sinn Fein calling for a United Ireland vote, it's gonna end in lives bring lost again unfortunately.

And I fully understand why people are disappointed in the result, but it has to be respected.

We live in a democracy after all, for good or bad.

[Black Monk]

2 minutes ago, danydandan said:

In my opinion, brexit was an anti government vote rather than an anti EU vote.

In my opinion, the abortion referendum was an anti-Catholic vote rather than a pro-abortion vote.

[Black Monk]

3 minutes ago, danydandan said:

but it has to be respected.

We live in a democracy after all, for good or bad.

You mean like the Lisbon Treaty referendum was?

[danydandan]

26 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Maybe he is coming from where I came from. 

I`m not a Catholic but there is nothing inherently wrong with a Catholic society having Catholic values. Hold onto them, resist those that will degrade your society into ours. The UK is a shambles with its broken society and the US is just as bad (even worse with its rampant narcissism, consumerism, and mass shootings).

Liberal policies wreck countries. Those advocating them dont take into account what human nature is really like. They also dont realise that the reason why we didnt have a liberal society 100 years back is that people in the past knew what it leads too. 

I partly agree, I don't like that we are changing our moral standards.

 

6 minutes ago, Black Monk said:

In my opinion, the abortion referendum was an anti-Catholic vote rather than a pro-abortion vote.

It might be, but I doubt it. Considering in our latest census showed 70% of people call themselves Catholics. There was actually very little campaigning from either side other than posters and the one debate, that a prominent leader on the no side refused to partake in.

Edited May 27, 2018 by danydandan

[danydandan]

12 minutes ago, Black Monk said:

You mean like the Lisbon Treaty referendum was?

Yeah that was a joke, there should never had been a second referendum. But in hindsight it was the correct thing to do for our economic growth.

Edited May 27, 2018 by danydandan

[Duke Wellington]

6 minutes ago, danydandan said:

In my opinion, brexit was an anti government vote rather than an anti EU vote. But I fully respect the result and no there should not be a second referendum, unless there is obvious puplic opinion to have one. The only issue I have with brexit is what it might do to peace in the North. Now we have Sinn Fein calling for a United Ireland vote, it's gonna end in lives bring lost again unfortunately.

And I fully understand why people are disappointed in the result, but it has to be respected.

We live in a democracy after all, for good or bad.

It wasn't an anti-government vote, for us that occurs during council elections not general elections or important referendums. Another reason why the vote was only 52% for leave was the government moved the goal posts over who could vote. It lowered the voting age to try and get the result it wanted.

Northern Ireland decide themselves what they want to happen as do Scotland when it comes to their membership of the UK. If one side try to use violence to impose what they want against a Democratic majority then I can see troops being re-deployed.

[danydandan]

11 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

It wasn't an anti-government vote, for us that occurs during council elections not general elections or important referendums. Another reason why the vote was only 52% for leave was the government moved the goal posts over who could vote. It lowered the voting age to try and get the result it wanted.

Northern Ireland decide themselves what they want to happen as do Scotland when it comes to their membership of the UK. If one side try to use violence to impose what they want against a Democratic majority then I can see troops being re-deployed.

Wasn't the swing of leavers outside of the metropolitan areas? I suppose it doesn't really matter.

Northern Ireland is in shambles now because of the leadership of both camps. I hope to God it doesn't result in more violence. Actually it has more to do with a certain side who is keeping another government in power and they think because of this, they have more power in the North.

 

Edited May 27, 2018 by danydandan

[Duke Wellington]

19 minutes ago, danydandan said:

Wasn't the swing of leavers outside of the metropolitan areas? I suppose it doesn't really matter.

Northern Ireland is in shambles now because of the leadership of both camps. I hope to God it doesn't result in more violence.

London voted remain, but London got 95% of the economic benefits from EU membership.

For most people around the country they had no benefit. In fact just the opposite. After 30 years of the EU we have lost most of our mining, manufacturing, and industry. Then in more recent times we got flooded with Eastern Europeans. The loss of mining, manufacturing, and industry is why the government gave the young people a vote - those who have no awareness of what the EU cost us. They have had their inheritance robbed from them and are completely clueless about it.

I dont agree with Ireland having got its full independence and think home rule would have been better. But it is what it is. The problem with having the south of your land independent from us and the north in the UK is it leaves a messy situation.

A messy situation which could suck the UK into a new conflict at some point in the future. Whether it be to stop civilians slaughtering each other again or whether it be to stop a hostile EU having a base in these isles. In my opinion Ireland should be fully in or out of the UK.

Edited May 27, 2018 by RabidMongoose

[danydandan]

2 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

London voted remain, but London got 95% of the economic benefits from EU membership.

For most people around the country they had no benefit. In fact just the opposite. After 30 years of the EU we have lost most of our mining, manufacturing, and industry. Then in more recent times we got flooded with Eastern Europeans. The loss of mining, manufacturing, and industry is why the government gave the young people a vote - those who have no awareness of what the EU cost us. They have had their inheritance robbed from them and are completely clueless about it.

I dont agree with Ireland having got its full independence and think home rule would have been better. But it is what it is. The problem with having the south of your land independent from us and the north in the UK is it leaves a messy situation.

A messy situation which could suck the UK into a new conflict at some point in the future. Whether it be to stop civilians slaughtering each other again or whether it be to stop a hostile EU having a base in these isles. In my opinion Ireland should be fully in or out of the UK.

I'm not going to respond to the home rule comment, it will get very heated in here if I do. But I will say we should have Our whole Island independently from an outside force, and that includes the EU.