danydandan Posted March 26, 2019 #126 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Setton said: This is the EU that the millennial generation are so hell bent on keeping the U.K. in so that we have a say in things like this. This will affect everyone, whether EU members or not. If we'd stayed, maybe we could have stopped this. Just part of the parcel, we are living in an age of contentedism. Edited March 26, 2019 by danydandan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted March 28, 2019 #127 Share Posted March 28, 2019 The future for Europe? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted March 28, 2019 #128 Share Posted March 28, 2019 8 hours ago, OverSword said: The future for Europe? Memes are specifically exempt from the legislation. You know, because that's what's important about this 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted March 29, 2019 #129 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted March 31, 2019 #130 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 07/06/2018 at 6:53 AM, MySummerJob said: I'm not from the EU, but this is a very worrisome law proposal. Hopefully the people from EU will be able to fight this, and the lawmakers will listen to the people by making this bill pass. This honestly makes me afraid that if it passes, will somehow effect US, or inspire the US to try something once again. Bad enough we had to fight SOPA, PIPA, and most recently TPP. It gets tiring after a while, but I fear that might be their strategy to reach the end-goal. Which is to keep hammering us down to the point that people are too sick and tired to fight, or people think bills like these won't come to pass so they stop trying to fight them. Eventually one day they will win, I just hope that won't be in our lifetimes. Well, keep hoping, we had a democratic vote two and a half years ago to leave the EU and still they will not let us go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted March 31, 2019 #131 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 4:36 AM, Setton said: Memes are specifically exempt from the legislation. You know, because that's what's important about this Yeah, I don't know the exact wording but I feel like "meme" is a pretty ambigious to pen down legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted April 15, 2019 Author #132 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Well, it seems that the bill has now well and truly passed, meaning that there's nothing that can be done now. Also, it's worth noting that the UK actually supported the bill during the final vote - so Brexit wouldn't have made a difference one way or the other. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47933530 The UK has also implemented its own new law designed to block and/or fine websites for hosting loosely-defined 'objectionable' content: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-introduce-world-first-online-safety-laws 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted April 15, 2019 #133 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Begs the question of how much the EU reps actually represent their population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted April 15, 2019 #134 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: Begs the question of how much the EU reps actually represent their population. its all about perception management and narrative, and the control of it. no wonder it got passed. and the UK govt voted in favour. Brexit, and internet censorship shows the sinister direction were heading in. Its time to bring the system down. Well,....will UM join the dark web. welcome to the dark side. Edited April 15, 2019 by stevewinn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted April 15, 2019 #135 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, stevewinn said: its all about perception management and narrative, and the control of it. no wonder it got passed. and the UK govt voted in favour. Brexit, and internet censorship shows the sinister direction where heading in. Its time to bring the system down. Well will UM join the dark web. welcome to the dark side. I think small places like UM were considered "exempt". I still do not like it one bit. I am engrossed In YouTube lol, and corporations have been abusing copyright rules on that for years. Trying to take down negative movie reviews and such. That sort of censorship will only get worse from Article 13. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted April 15, 2019 #136 Share Posted April 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: I think small places like UM were considered "exempt". I still do not like it one bit. I am engrossed In YouTube lol, and corporations have been abusing copyright rules on that for years. Trying to take down negative movie reviews and such. That sort of censorship will only get worse from Article 13. i can see a fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted April 15, 2019 Author #137 Share Posted April 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: I think small places like UM were considered "exempt". So did I, but apparently that exemption expires the moment your site turns three years old. Given that we've been running for 18 years, I seriously doubt we'd qualify. Also, I'm not even sure if the exemptions clause actually passed at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted April 15, 2019 Author #138 Share Posted April 15, 2019 47 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: Begs the question of how much the EU reps actually represent their population. This is all about money i.e. big businesses influencing lawmakers. It's the same everywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted April 15, 2019 #139 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Ummm.... "... However, tweaks to the law subsequently made an exception for content used for the "purposes of quotation, criticism, review, caricature, parody and pastiche".... Surely that covers the sort of posts we make at UM ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted April 15, 2019 #140 Share Posted April 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Saru said: So did I, but apparently that exemption expires the moment your site turns three years old. Given that we've been running for 18 years, I seriously doubt we'd qualify. Also, I'm not even sure if the exemptions clause actually passed at all. Thanks for the update. So do you have any idea what effect it might have on UM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted April 15, 2019 Author #141 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, spartan max2 said: Thanks for the update. So do you have any idea what effect it might have on UM? Not really, the new copyright laws require sites to pre-emptively detect and remove any user-posted material that might violate copyright, which is impossible because there is no way to automatically determine if any given piece of text is copyrighted or not. So unless the lawmakers are going to explain how such a thing can be achieved it's all up in the air. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted April 15, 2019 #142 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Saru said: Not really, the new copyright laws require sites to pre-emptively detect and remove any user-posted material that might violate copyright, which is impossible because there is no way to automatically determine if any given piece of text is copyrighted or not. So unless the lawmakers are going to explain how such a thing can be achieved it's all up in the air. Can't you move the site hosting from the USA to China. China doesn't do copyrighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted April 15, 2019 Author #143 Share Posted April 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, stevewinn said: Can't you move the site hosting from the USA to China. China doesn't do copyrighting. It doesn't work like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted April 15, 2019 #144 Share Posted April 15, 2019 40 minutes ago, Saru said: It doesn't work like that. How can the EU impose its laws on non eu members? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted April 15, 2019 Author #145 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, stevewinn said: How can the EU impose its laws on non eu members? After GDPR was implemented, quite a few US sites had to resort to blocking all access to EU/UK visitors (and still do). It's about which countries the site is serving content to, not which country it is hosted in. That said, I don't know the specifics of how it will be enforced - each country will have to decide how to implement/enforce the new laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted April 15, 2019 #146 Share Posted April 15, 2019 3 hours ago, stevewinn said: Well,....will UM join the dark web. welcome to the dark side. Oi you can't have it both ways Steve. You either get to be the plucky rebels taking on the establishment or you get the cool armour and the good lines. You can't have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted April 16, 2019 #147 Share Posted April 16, 2019 I'm going to try get a list of all the Irish MEP's who voted in favour of this and post their names. I'll do it here and on Reddit. Hopefully we can ensure they don't get re-elected in the upcoming elections. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted April 16, 2019 #148 Share Posted April 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Saru said: After GDPR was implemented, quite a few US sites had to resort to blocking all access to EU/UK visitors (and still do). It's about which countries the site is serving content to, not which country it is hosted in. That said, I don't know the specifics of how it will be enforced - each country will have to decide how to implement/enforce the new laws. The world should let the EU and their rules disappear behind their self imposed iron curtain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted April 16, 2019 #149 Share Posted April 16, 2019 10 hours ago, danydandan said: I'm going to try get a list of all the Irish MEP's who voted in favour of this and post their names. I'll do it here and on Reddit. Hopefully we can ensure they don't get re-elected in the upcoming elections. Hopefully everyone does that. I wish I was in Eroupe so I could blatantly cast a vote against these people haha. I don't care the party, anyone who voted for this should be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted April 16, 2019 #150 Share Posted April 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: Hopefully everyone does that. I wish I was in Eroupe so I could blatantly cast a vote against these people haha. I don't care the party, anyone who voted for this should be gone. A major component in this is the music industry are lobbying for it. So they have massive amounts money behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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