UM-Bot Posted June 1, 2018 #1 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (IP: Staff) · Children born to parents living in a colony on Mars will be the very definition of the word 'Martian'. https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/318513/babies-born-on-mars-may-be-new-subspecies 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted June 1, 2018 #2 Share Posted June 1, 2018 It could be a problem in the long term with people born on Mars unadapted to earth. Laws, rights and inequality are hard to cope with on earth already... it will just bring a bit more to think about. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted June 1, 2018 #3 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I volunteer to colonize Mars. Pick me, Elon Musk. Pick me. 1 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted June 1, 2018 #4 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I'd just settle for the moon actually. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seti42 Posted June 1, 2018 #5 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I don't think this will be an issue, because I don't think we're 'colonizing' mars anytime before 2100. Hell, we barely send anything to space these days, and you can't get nations to agree on political internet trolling much less a new, global space program. 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted June 1, 2018 #6 Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Jon the frog said: It could be a problem in the long term with people born on Mars unadapted to earth. Laws, rights and inequality are hard to cope with on earth already... it will just bring a bit more to think about. if they came to earth would they be classed as immigrants? technically yes i guess 4 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted June 2, 2018 #7 Share Posted June 2, 2018 As long as they name the first male baby born on Mars, 'Marvin'...I'll be truly happy! 3 4 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted June 2, 2018 #8 Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Likely Guy said: As long as they name the first male baby born on Mars, 'Marvin'...I'll be truly happy! na= mars bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted June 2, 2018 #9 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Aww, Martian babies...how cute 4 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozfactor Posted June 2, 2018 #10 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids 1 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZDZ Posted June 2, 2018 #11 Share Posted June 2, 2018 In fact it's cold as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted June 2, 2018 #12 Share Posted June 2, 2018 16 hours ago, Dejarma said: if they came to earth would they be classed as immigrants? technically yes i guess Not if they come under the Aegis of a Nation State on Earth. Separately; I think there would have to be quite a divergence caused by generations of genetic adaptation to a Mars habitat before a separate sub-species would be recognised. That said, living conditions would replicate Earth "normal" in all respects apart from the effects of reduced gravity as radiation would be shielded out 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud the mackem Posted June 2, 2018 #13 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) Babies born on Mars would be in Earth environment conditions apart from the gravity aspect, so I can't see how they would be different from babies born on Earth. Edited June 2, 2018 by spud the mackem 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted June 2, 2018 #14 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, keithisco said: Not if they come under the Aegis of a Nation State on Earth. yeah but they would be taken in by a country & technically would be classed as an immigrant in that country edit to add: sorry, i should say: IMO Edited June 2, 2018 by Dejarma 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted June 2, 2018 #15 Share Posted June 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dejarma said: yeah but they would be taken in by a country & technically would be classed as an immigrant in that country No, being born on another planet, but under the Aegis of, for arguments sake, the United Kingdom, then they would de facto be "fully-fledged" British endowed with the same rights and responsibilities 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted June 2, 2018 #16 Share Posted June 2, 2018 42 minutes ago, keithisco said: No, being born on another planet, but under the Aegis of, for arguments sake, the United Kingdom, then they would de facto be "fully-fledged" British endowed with the same rights and responsibilities oh, right- well you learn something new every day 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton80 Posted June 2, 2018 #17 Share Posted June 2, 2018 22 hours ago, UM-Bot said: Children born to parents living in a colony on Mars will be the very definition of the word 'Martian'. https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/318513/babies-born-on-mars-may-be-new-subspecies Wouldnt that imply people living at great hights in the Andes, or (aquatic) people who live on and off the sea are a sub species as well? 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted June 2, 2018 #18 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Phaeton80 said: Wouldnt that imply people living at great hights in the Andes, or (aquatic) people who live on and off the sea are a sub species as well? Some people argue that a lot of species of the Homo genus found could be just geographic and time variation of the same species and they would inbreed has a single species. Some difference are so small that if an anthropologist would have found a skeleton from an asiatic, african, north european, south american and arctic people dated more than 250000 old.... they could probably some in different species because of morphology differences. The frontier of subspecies and species are subtle if you don't have them alive side by side. Sometimes you can be baffled with what can inbreed and give fertile offspring. Edited June 2, 2018 by Jon the frog 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted June 3, 2018 #19 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Location is Everything. If a human baby were wholly conceived and born on Mars (not in transit), they would be a "Martian" with earth parents. This would be especially true if those conceived and born on Mars conceived and further gave birth wholly on Mars. 2nd generation. They would be Martians, 100%. Since no intelligent life has yet been found on Mars, that distinction is in no way out-of-order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted June 3, 2018 #20 Share Posted June 3, 2018 But before this, we must have "Moonies" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted June 3, 2018 #21 Share Posted June 3, 2018 17 hours ago, Ozfactor said: Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids Unfortunately, either are some countries on earth. 1 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperdyer Posted June 4, 2018 #22 Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 6/1/2018 at 4:24 PM, Hermai said: I'd just settle for the moon actually. Then your children would be Lunatics? 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperdyer Posted June 4, 2018 #23 Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 6/3/2018 at 12:01 AM, pallidin said: Location is Everything. If a human baby were wholly conceived and born on Mars (not in transit), they would be a "Martian" with earth parents. This would be especially true if those conceived and born on Mars conceived and further gave birth wholly on Mars. 2nd generation. They would be Martians, 100%. Since no intelligent life has yet been found on Mars, that distinction is in no way out-of-order. Good call Pallidin. The writer of this article must watch SyFy's Expanse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DanL Posted June 5, 2018 #24 Share Posted June 5, 2018 A child born and raised on Mars would probably be unable to adapt to living on Earth. Spending their childhoods in a gravity that is a third what we have on Earth would probably never develop the bones structure you would need to come here. Children born and raised on the moon would be even worse off since their bones developed in a gravity one sixth Earths. The advantage they would have though is by not living at the bottom of our massive gravity well they would be easily able to move into space. It took a Saturn 5 rocket to get off the Earth to go to the moon but the little lunar lander took them back up and other their way home. If mankind ever becomes a space based species they will be based on the Moon or Mars. The radiation can be dealt with by living underground and then in space we will have to find better shielding but that will come if we ever need it. A beanstalk would be a fairly simple project on Mars compared to what it would take on Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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