President Trump’s four Pillars

[ellapenella]

President Trump’s Four Pillars for Immigration Reform

1. Path to Citizenship for Dreamers 

 

2. Border Security

 

3. An End to the Diversity Visa Lottery

 

4. Restrictions on Family-Based Immigration

 

House Speaker Paul Ryan stated that he believes that President Trump will get his four pillars today maybe.  He went on to let everyone know that there are 9 democrats they need to vote yes for this to finally become law. Will congress act, will it finally be fixed? It's gonna come down to this.

https://ogletree.com/shared-content/content/blog/2018/february/president-trumps-four-pillars-for-immigration-reform

 

Edited June 21, 2018 by Ellapennella

[Raptor Witness]

Why compromise when you see a blue tsunami coming?

 

[Uncle Sam]

10 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

Why compromise when you see a blue tsunami coming?

[RoofGardener]

On 6/21/2018 at 5:25 PM, Ellapennella said:

President Trump’s Four Pillars for Immigration Reform

1. Path to Citizenship for Dreamers 

 

2. Border Security

 

3. An End to the Diversity Visa Lottery

 

4. Restrictions on Family-Based Immigration

 

House Speaker Paul Ryan stated that he believes that President Trump will get his four pillars today maybe.  He went on to let everyone know that there are 9 democrats they need to vote yes for this to finally become law. Will congress act, will it finally be fixed? It's gonna come down to this.

https://ogletree.com/shared-content/content/blog/2018/february/president-trumps-four-pillars-for-immigration-reform

 

Well.. on the face of it.. that all seems fairly sensible ? 

One thought.... why does the bill need 9 democracts ? Don't the republicans have majorities in both houses ? (or are some republicans opposing the bill ? )

[ellapenella]

39 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Well.. on the face of it.. that all seems fairly sensible ? 

One thought.... why does the bill need 9 democracts ? Don't the republicans have majorities in both houses ? (or are some republicans opposing the bill ? )

I thought the  republicans held both houses, but it doesn't feel like it. They seem to always have something they don't agree on,  unlike the democrats who stick together like glue. I'm confused about the Filibuster Rule. 

Republicans must get rid of the stupid Filibuster Rule-it is killing you!

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/21/17488576/compromise-bill-house-republican-trump-tweet

[Uncle Sam]

30 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

I thought the  republicans held both houses, but it doesn't feel like it. They seem to always have something they don't agree on,  unlike the democrats who stick together like glue. I'm confused about the Filibuster Rule. 

Republicans must get rid of the stupid Filibuster Rule-it is killing you!

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/21/17488576/compromise-bill-house-republican-trump-tweet

Read this and this will answer why the Republicans can't fully control the house even though they have the majority.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-is-a-simple-majority-usually-not-enough-to-pass-a-bill-in-the-senate/

[Setton]

7 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

Read this and this will answer why the Republicans can't fully control the house even though they have the majority.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-is-a-simple-majority-usually-not-enough-to-pass-a-bill-in-the-senate/

And Trump wants to change it. 

@Ellapennella How do you feel about that seeing as it goes against what the founding fathers intended? 

[ellapenella]

8 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

Read this and this will answer why the Republicans can't fully control the house even though they have the majority.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-is-a-simple-majority-usually-not-enough-to-pass-a-bill-in-the-senate/

Are there 51 republicans and 49 democrats? and 2 independents? I don't get this. We're short by 9? Can you please explain this to me?

and with a slim 52-48 majority, McConnell has only been allowed to lose two votes before the measure fails. They need near-unanimity if they want to get something done without Democratic support

[Uncle Sam]

The house needs 60 votes to pass a bill, reason Republicans are short by 9 because they can't just ram through a bill thanks to Democrats refusing to work with them, thus they are lacking the necessary  60 votes to pass any bill they bring before the house. The two votes from independents will make no difference at all in the house sadly.

Edited June 27, 2018 by Uncle Sam

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Well.. on the face of it.. that all seems fairly sensible ? 

One thought.... why does the bill need 9 democracts ? Don't the republicans have majorities in both houses ? (or are some republicans opposing the bill ? )

Bills have to pass the People's House (of Representatives) with a simple majority of the 435 members but then they have to pass the Senate by 60 votes.  There are 51 R's, 47 D's and a couple of so-called independents who always vote with the D's so some D's are always required to get legislation through the Senate.

[+and-then]

1 minute ago, Uncle Sam said:

The house needs 60 votes to pass a bill, reason Republicans are short by 9 because they can't just ram through a bill thanks to Democrats and Independents refusing to work with them.

While this IS true, let's be honest, a couple of the so-called R's regularly refuse to vote for Republican bills, also.  The two from up northeast almost never seem to vote with the R's.  That's why this "red wave" stuff is so silly.  We'd have to have about 65 Republicans in the Senate to be assured of passing bills without the threat of being stalled by a filibuster. 

[ellapenella]

11 minutes ago, Setton said:

And Trump wants to change it. 

@Ellapennella How do you feel about that seeing as it goes against what the founding fathers intended? 

So...because  the obstructionist  are not working together like America's Framers intended,  there has to be a way around them if they're not ever going to work with us. One can't run a country like that. 

[RavenHawk]

3 minutes ago, and then said:

While this IS true, let's be honest, a couple of the so-called R's regularly refuse to vote for Republican bills, also.  The two from up northeast almost never seem to vote with the R's.  That's why this "red wave" stuff is so silly.  We'd have to have about 65 Republicans in the Senate to be assured of passing bills without the threat of being stalled by a filibuster. 

That's true but when the GOP gets that majority, you'll be amazed how those Rs that vote with the Ds will start voting for the bills.  They'll want to remain relevant.

[Setton]

Just now, Ellapennella said:

So...because  the obstructionist  are not working together like America's Framers intended,  there has to be a way around them if they're not ever going to work with us. One can't run a country like that. 

So Trump or founding fathers? 

Either the ideas the US was founded on are open to change (in which case all that stuff about supporting the constitution meaningless) or Trump is going against what America should be. 

So, who are you going to side with? 

(p.s. The Democrats have also said they will work with Republicans on this so long as Trump's nominees are not obviously partisan i.e. Will put the law above giving Trump his way. As a judge should) Nice try to lie your way out of the corner you've painted yourself into. You're learning from the orange one. 

[RavenHawk]

3 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

So...because  the obstructionist  are not working together like America's Framers intended,  there has to be a way around them if they're not ever going to work with us. One can't run a country like that. 

That's really the point of Congress.  It isn't really to pass things but to block things.  Only when something gets mass appeal does it get passed, but the Progressives are deliberate obstructionists.  But then that doesn't always work, if the majority is large enough.

[ellapenella]

6 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

That's really the point of Congress.  It isn't really to pass things but to block things.  Only when something gets mass appeal does it get passed, but the Progressives are deliberate obstructionists.  But then that doesn't always work, if the majority is large enough.

I think I'm understanding more about why it works that way but it can only work for the good of the Nation if the Framers were understood in the constitution,right? We're being invaded and some on congress are like the enemy allowing  it. They need to be voted out. This is why I think some individuals were not suppose to ever vote.  I know some will not understand that. 

Edited June 27, 2018 by Ellapennella

[ellapenella]

17 minutes ago, and then said:

While this IS true, let's be honest, a couple of the so-called R's regularly refuse to vote for Republican bills, also.  The two from up northeast almost never seem to vote with the R's.  That's why this "red wave" stuff is so silly.  We'd have to have about 65 Republicans in the Senate to be assured of passing bills without the threat of being stalled by a filibuster. 

We'll see how silly it is or not.

Over the past few days, four building blocks have fallen into place that strengthen the case for a red wave of Republican victories in the November midterm elections, wiping out Democratic hopes for a blue wave.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/06/07/newt-gingrich-red-wave-is-growing.html

 

 

[+and-then]

Just now, Ellapennella said:

We'll see how silly it is or not.

Over the past few days, four building blocks have fallen into place that strengthen the case for a red wave of Republican victories in the November midterm elections, wiping out Democratic hopes for a blue wave.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/06/07/newt-gingrich-red-wave-is-growing.html

 

 

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the Dems lose more power.  I'm just saying that the more R's we get in DC, the freer they feel to side with the D's to thwart Trump...  The brain dead chick from Maine is a great example.  She rarely votes with Republicans and she gets elected as one every 6 years.  It's insane.

[RavenHawk]

9 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

I think I'm understanding more about why it works that way but it can only work for the good of the Nation if the Framers were understood in the constitution,right? We're being invaded and some on congress are like the enemy allowing  it. They need to be voted out. This is why I think some individuals were not suppose to ever vote.  I know some will not understand that. 

I do believe that the intent of the Framers was to insure that Congress would vote with the best interest of the country at heart.  Progressives vote for what is best for the party.  That's why Franklin replied "A Republic, if you can keep it" to the question of "what have you given us?"  He knew it was ultimately up to the people.  It is still in our hands, but groups like the MSM have given up their rights.  It makes it more difficult.  I'm pretty confident now that there will be no Blue wave, but will the Rs get any advantage?

[+and-then]

28 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

That's true but when the GOP gets that majority, you'll be amazed how those Rs that vote with the Ds will start voting for the bills.  They'll want to remain relevant.

I hope you're correct.  I haven't seen much of it so far.

[RavenHawk]

2 minutes ago, and then said:

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the Dems lose more power.  I'm just saying that the more R's we get in DC, the freer they feel to side with the D's to thwart Trump...  The brain dead chick from Maine is a great example.  She rarely votes with Republicans and she gets elected as one every 6 years.  It's insane.

It's not so much that Ds lose power as it is that the balance between Ds and Rs is restored.  That means to eradicate Socialism.  That won't be easy as Ds are in name only.  It is all Progressive only now.

[ellapenella]

15 minutes ago, and then said:

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the Dems lose more power.  I'm just saying that the more R's we get in DC, the freer they feel to side with the D's to thwart Trump...  The brain dead chick from Maine is a great example.  She rarely votes with Republicans and she gets elected as one every 6 years.  It's insane.

I haven't been paying attention to any of them  for reasons  like what you stated. I don't even know who the New England  Maine individual is. It's obvious that greed has been  controlling politicians look at Paul Ryan. 

 

[ellapenella]

14 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

It's not so much that Ds lose power as it is that the balance between Ds and Rs is restored.  That means to eradicate Socialism.  That won't be easy as Ds are in name only.  It is all Progressive only now.

I don't know about this two party system any longer. Do you remember why George  Washington opposed a two party system?

[ellapenella]

46 minutes ago, Setton said:

So Trump or founding fathers? 

Either the ideas the US was founded on are open to change (in which case all that stuff about supporting the constitution meaningless) or Trump is going against what America should be. 

So, who are you going to side with? 

(p.s. The Democrats have also said they will work with Republicans on this so long as Trump's nominees are not obviously partisan i.e. Will put the law above giving Trump his way. As a judge should) Nice try to lie your way out of the corner you've painted yourself into. You're learning from the orange one. 

So you want to talk about "The Founding Fathers Of American Liberty."

  What do  you understand in their beliefs that you think President Trump is not holding true to? 

 

[aztek]

lol against what America should be according to whom??? because the way i see it he is doing exactly what America should be