kmt_sesh Posted June 25, 2018 #126 Share Posted June 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, danydandan said: I assume climbing atop of a tomb for a God King would be seen as a great insult, thus resulting in the attempted climbers death and the fact that, as you stated, they were smooth and climbing was next to near impossible I thought my humour would have been obvious. You're right. In Dynasty 4, after the three pyramids were made, they were considered sacred ground. There is a feature to the south today called the Wall of the Crow that delineated the stopping point for regular people. They could not pass. Additionally, each pyramid was set inside an enclosure wall, and only certain people of the priestly class and state were allowed to enter beyond there. The ancient Egyptians were big on sacred space. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted June 25, 2018 #127 Share Posted June 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ahatmose said: Just curious how did the builders get down after placing the capstone on top ? I'd put the capstone on first and then work downwards myself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted June 25, 2018 #128 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Just now, Likely Guy said: I'd put the capstone on first and then work downwards myself. That might be it. The fact is, we don't know for sure. I'd say they might've slid down on camel skins like a fun ride, but camels weren't domesticated yet. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahatmose Posted June 25, 2018 Author #129 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, kmt_sesh said: That might be it. The fact is, we don't know for sure. I'd say they might've slid down on camel skins like a fun ride, but camels weren't domesticated yet. Just curious that since you don't know how they got down how do you know you could not get up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted June 25, 2018 #130 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, kmt_sesh said: That might be it. The fact is, we don't know for sure. I'd say they might've slid down on camel skins like a fun ride, but camels weren't domesticated yet. You do realize such a trip might end up in terminal velocity. A very deep pile of rugs would be needed to save the slider from death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted June 25, 2018 #131 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, stereologist said: You do realize such a trip might end up in terminal velocity. A very deep pile of rugs would be needed to save the slider from death. Imagine how fast it would have been when it rained. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahatmose Posted June 25, 2018 Author #132 Share Posted June 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, stereologist said: I've been to Egypt and know from first hand knowledge that the area to the south of the Giza complex is hily and the Saqqara complex cannot be seen from ground level. You can pretend all you want from your parent's basement, but apparently you are clueless. Have you looked from the top of The Great Pyramid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted June 25, 2018 #133 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ahatmose said: Just curious that since you don't know how they got down how do you know you could not get up ? It's obvious, like I said. With the cladding in place, there was nothing to grab. But even suggesting it reveals your lack of historical understanding. The pyramid was a royal tomb, the king's house of a million years. You wouldn't be allowed to touch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted June 25, 2018 #134 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Your knowledge is based on zilch. As kmt_sesh has posted you have no understanding at all of the surveying methods used. I already posted the link. Your choice to avoid reading pertinent material is simply you being a failure The movement of the Nile to the East has increased the visibility of the pyramids from the farmlands, but only by a short distance. Providing photographs showing that the pyramids are only visible from nearby sites along the Nile undermines the claims of the pyramids as surveying points Anachronistic mathematics is another downfall to this concept, i.e. the use of algebra in geometry Misrepresenting the contents of other posters is a failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted June 25, 2018 #135 Share Posted June 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said: That might be it. The fact is, we don't know for sure. I'd say they might've slid down on camel skins like a fun ride, but camels weren't domesticated yet. Just seems to me to be far more logical. I'd be safe. I'm a Bactrian camel which are much more regal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted June 25, 2018 #136 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Just now, Likely Guy said: ... I'd be safe. I'm a Bactrian camel which are much more regal. And smelly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted June 25, 2018 #137 Share Posted June 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, danydandan said: Imagine how fast it would have been when it rained. ...and thus, the world's first water slide was created. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted June 25, 2018 #138 Share Posted June 25, 2018 The simple fact of the matter is that any work requiring someone to climb a smooth sided pyramid is rather a poor way to use workers. Suggesting that is rather ridiculous considering that the manner in which surveyors worked is well known. https://www.pointtopointsurvey.com/2009/10/land-surveying-in-ancient-times-egypt-greece-and-rome/ http://www.surveyhistory.org/egyptian_surveying_tools1.htm 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted June 25, 2018 #139 Share Posted June 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ahatmose said: Just curious how did the builders get down after placing the capstone on top ? Let's look at this logically shall we. One might assume they built the pyramid stepped like they are now, walked up them steps, placed the cap stone. Had buckets of Limestone plaster handed up, then worked their way down plastering. Obviously the cap stone wasn't the last thing done. Logically it could not have been. Or maybe they had scaffolding of some sort. I don't know. Or has Herodotus said. “At first, it was built with steps, like a staircase….The stones intended for use in constructing the pyramids were lifted by means of a short wooden scaffold. In this way they were raised from the earth to the first step of the staircase; there they were laid on another scaffold, by means of which they were raised to the second step. Lifting devices were provided for each step, in case these devices were not light enough to be easily moved upward from step to step once the stone had been removed from them. I have been told that both methods were used, and so I mention them both here. The finishing-off was begun at the top, and continued downward to the lowest level.” 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted June 25, 2018 #140 Share Posted June 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: ...and thus, the world's first water slide was created. No wonder it's called Giza. Giiiiizzzzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa was all that was heard on rainy days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahatmose Posted June 25, 2018 Author #141 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, stereologist said: The simple fact of the matter is that any work requiring someone to climb a smooth sided pyramid is rather a poor way to use workers. Suggesting that is rather ridiculous considering that the manner in which surveyors worked is well known. https://www.pointtopointsurvey.com/2009/10/land-surveying-in-ancient-times-egypt-greece-and-rome/ http://www.surveyhistory.org/egyptian_surveying_tools1.htm And just how do you know it was completely smooth ? If is was how did the workers who placed the last stone get down. But this is beyond silly and once again we are dealing with The Magic Bullet and Cherry Picking.and as always you are to blame. Cherry Picking - If you can't debate your opponents on the substance of the issue, crush them on the minor details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted June 25, 2018 #142 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, danydandan said: No wonder it's called Giza. Giiiiizzzzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa was all that was heard on rainy days. What a coincidence. "Giza" was the ancient Egyptian word for "Weeeeeee!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted June 25, 2018 #143 Share Posted June 25, 2018 I have been told that on the last day of Ramadan that the police allow anyone to climb to the top of the pyramids at Giza. Don't know if that is true or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted June 25, 2018 #144 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Ahatmose said: And just how do you know it was completely smooth ? If is was how did the workers who placed the last stone get down. But this is beyond silly and once again we are dealing with The Magic Bullet and Cherry Picking.and as always you are to blame. Cherry Picking - If you can't debate your opponents on the substance of the issue, crush them on the minor details. Is this another argument from your personal ignorance? Yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted June 25, 2018 #145 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ahatmose said: And just how do you know it was completely smooth ? If is was how did the workers who placed the last stone get down. But this is beyond silly and once again we are dealing with The Magic Bullet and Cherry Picking.and as always you are to blame. Cherry Picking - If you can't debate your opponents on the substance of the issue, crush them on the minor details. The last stones for the encasement were placed when the workers feet were on Terra Firma. You're not really paying attention to the conversation. Edited June 25, 2018 by Likely Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted June 25, 2018 #146 Share Posted June 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ahatmose said: And just how do you know it was completely smooth ? If is was how did the workers who placed the last stone get down. But this is beyond silly and once again we are dealing with The Magic Bullet and Cherry Picking.and as always you are to blame. Cherry Picking - If you can't debate your opponents on the substance of the issue, crush them on the minor details. You're really not that familiar with the pyramids, are you? G1 still has nice sections of the original cladding at the bottom. G2 has some left at the very top. G3 has some at the bottom, as does Djedefre's pyramid. All of that cladding is very smooth. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted June 25, 2018 #147 Share Posted June 25, 2018 What we do know is that the Nile is like most rivers. It is entrenched. The temples ad pyramids along the river are not in sight of each other. The plateau where Giza is located is not a peneplain. It is a run of rolling hills that do not allow distant places to be seen such as Saqqara. The river itself meanders as do all rivers. Locations along the river cannot be seen from any great distance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted June 25, 2018 #148 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said: You're really not that familiar with the pyramids, are you? G1 still has nice sections of the original cladding at the bottom. G2 has some left at the very top. G3 has some at the bottom, as does Djedefre's pyramid. All of that cladding is very smooth. None of that really matters to those uninterested in understanding ancient Egypt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted June 25, 2018 #149 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ahatmose said: And just how do you know it was completely smooth ? If is was how did the workers who placed the last stone get down. But this is beyond silly and once again we are dealing with The Magic Bullet and Cherry Picking.and as always you are to blame. Cherry Picking - If you can't debate your opponents on the substance of the issue, crush them on the minor details. Do honestly believe they cladded as they built? If so why? Also do you believe they cladded from bottom to top? If so why. My dad was a contractor for nearly 50 years and I know what would have happened if someone started to apply plaster at the bottom and work their way up. They would have gotten a boot in the hole. Edited June 25, 2018 by danydandan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted June 25, 2018 #150 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Just now, stereologist said: None of that really matters to those uninterested in understanding ancient Egypt. Oh, I know. This whole thread (as with the last one) is all about exceedingly robust confirmation bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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