WVK 544 #126 Posted July 7, 2018 3 hours ago, WVK said: "In addition, all reflections from the parallel walls of the ball court are first reflections, that is, they have a difference in arrival of less than 35 milliseconds with respect to the direct signal and therefore help the sound reinforcement of the message. The fact that the walls surrounding the north and south temple are less than the parallel walls of the court, prevent the rays that fall in this area from the north temple or the south temple are returned or reflected to the court, thus avoiding unwanted reflections and therefore interference." https://www.acusticaweb.com/acustica-arquitectonica/blog/acca-arquitecta/artlo-especial-sobre-la-acca-de-chichen-itz.html https://www.acusticaweb.com/acustica-arquitectonica/blog/acca-arquitecta/artlo-especial-sobre-la-acca-de-chichen-itz.html#comment-899 Another consideration from a respected source: "Its dimensions are such, many scholars have suggested that actual ballplay would have been impossible. They maintain it may have been used as a ritual space where the ballgame was never played but which was, nevertheless, charged with all the cosmological meaning of an actual ballcourt: http://www.mesoweb.com/chichen/features/tour/04.html. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danydandan 14,304 #127 Posted July 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, WVK said: Another consideration from a respected source: "Its dimensions are such, many scholars have suggested that actual ballplay would have been impossible. They maintain it may have been used as a ritual space where the ballgame was never played but which was, nevertheless, charged with all the cosmological meaning of an actual ballcourt: http://www.mesoweb.com/chichen/features/tour/04.html. It's all apophenia man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Harry 1,634 #128 Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, WVK said: Another consideration from a respected source: "Its dimensions are such, many scholars have suggested that actual ballplay would have been impossible. They maintain it may have been used as a ritual space where the ballgame was never played but which was, nevertheless, charged with all the cosmological meaning of an actual ballcourt: http://www.mesoweb.com/chichen/features/tour/04.html. While I am an archaeologist, I specialize in ancient Egyptian archaeology. So I'm afraid I am not the man to ask about Mesoamerican archaeology. @Piney would be the guy to ask. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WVK 544 #129 Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, WVK said: . I believe that the AEs would find the described acoustics magical, supernatural. Possibly used for psychological manipulation by the Chief. For fun,,lets say that the acoustic was intentional and used to by Khufu to impress whomever he needed to impress of his divinity. But there was a problem. Anyone associated with the magic acoustical box would know it was a trick. They knew that the emporer had no clothes. Khufu would have had them "swimming with the fishes". posthaste. This would explain why Khafre's pyramid didn't include a similar magic box. WVK aka Weird Vigorously Persistent Krank. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Harry 1,634 #130 Posted July 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, WVK said: For fun,,lets say that the acoustic was intentional and used to by Khufu to impress whomever he needed to impress of his divinity. But there was a problem. Anyone associated with the magic acoustical box would know it was a trick. They knew that the emporer had no clothes. Khufu would have had them "swimming with the fishes". posthaste. This would explain why Khafre's pyramid didn't include a similar magic box. WVK aka Weird Vigorously Persistent Krank. Well, Khufu wouldn't have needed to go through the trouble to convince his subjects of his divinity. The fact that he was able to command and marshal all of the human and material resources of his vast realm for the purpose of constructing his massive tomb would have been evidence enough. And in order for anyone to experience such a phenomena, they would have to lie down inside the stone sarcophagus while still alive and start humming. I don't think Khufu would have lain down inside the sarcophagus to see if it fit. Do you? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piney 72,615 #131 Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Lord Harry said: While I am an archaeologist, I specialize in ancient Egyptian archaeology. So I'm afraid I am not the man to ask about Mesoamerican archaeology. @Piney would be the guy to ask. I'm strictly North America. @Jarocal is the Mesoamerican specialee-tist 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WVK 544 #132 Posted July 7, 2018 33 minutes ago, Lord Harry said: Well, Khufu wouldn't have needed to go through the trouble to convince his subjects of his divinity. The fact that he was able to command and marshal all of the human and material resources of his vast realm for the purpose of constructing his massive tomb would have been evidence enough. Maybe the magic box was the reason he got the "best" pyramid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Harry 1,634 #133 Posted July 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, WVK said: Maybe the magic box was the reason he got the "best" pyramid. The granite used for the sarcophagus was quarried at Aswan. The site was available for any king who chose to use it. Khafre's sarcophagus was granite, Menkaure on the other hand chose a basalt sarcophagus. It was up to the tastes of the individual monarch. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WVK 544 #134 Posted July 7, 2018 44 minutes ago, Lord Harry said: Well, Khufu wouldn't have needed to go through the trouble to convince his subjects of his divinity. The fact that he was able to command and marshal all of the human and material resources of his vast realm for the purpose of constructing his massive tomb would have been evidence enough. A Divinity Enhancer Chamber aka DEC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Harry 1,634 #135 Posted July 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, WVK said: A Divinity Enhancer Chamber aka DEC I am not aware of any ancient Egyptian correlation between acoustics and divinity. Perhaps you can enlighten me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WVK 544 #136 Posted July 7, 2018 55 minutes ago, Lord Harry said: I don't think Khufu would have lain down inside the sarcophagus to see if it fit. Do you? The other way around, the subject in goes in the box Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WVK 544 #137 Posted July 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, Lord Harry said: I am not aware of any ancient Egyptian correlation between acoustics and divinity. Perhaps you can enlighten me? No. Is there a hieroglyph for "Acoustic" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danydandan 14,304 #138 Posted July 7, 2018 1 minute ago, WVK said: No. Is there a hieroglyph for "Acoustic" Do you actually believe they built the chamber to a specific acoustic frequency? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Harry 1,634 #139 Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) @WVKthe Egyptian word for "sound" or "voice" was kheru. The word for "music" was shema. Edited July 7, 2018 by Lord Harry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WVK 544 #140 Posted July 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, danydandan said: Do you actually believe they built the chamber to a specific acoustic frequency? I believe it would be worth a archaeoacoustical study. I Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danydandan 14,304 #141 Posted July 7, 2018 Just now, WVK said: I believe it would be worth a archaeoacoustical study. I Considering there is no evidence to suggest or support the hypothesis all it is and will be in speculation, until and if there is evidence to suggest it's a possibility, is found. It's would not be a good use of resources to start such a study. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmccr8 22,183 #142 Posted July 7, 2018 1 minute ago, danydandan said: Considering there is no evidence to suggest or support the hypothesis all it is and will be in speculation, until and if there is evidence to suggest it's a possibility, is found. It's would not be a good use of resources to start such a study. Hi Dany Yes, and seeing how it was sealed up after internment is would be a waste of resources to construct it for acoustical use. jmccr8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Harry 1,634 #143 Posted July 7, 2018 51 minutes ago, WVK said: The other way around, the subject in goes in the box What subject? Who exactly do you think would have sung a tune in the box? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WVK 544 #144 Posted July 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, Lord Harry said: What subject? Who exactly do you think would have sung a tune in the box? Pointless to discuss without acoustical study. The reason I referenced the goofy websites is because that all their is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Truman show 10,715 #145 Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, danydandan said: Do you actually believe they built the chamber to a specific acoustic frequency? more importantly why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Truman show 10,715 #146 Posted July 7, 2018 i think someone has also mentioned Herodotus and his claims that the Great Pyramid wasn't used as a tomb and that Khufu's tomb is someplace else. the fact that the ancients also had their doubts about the great pyramid is significant and shouldn't be over looked. but the OP is using the argument of frequency which would suggest either a radio transmitter or a power source. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Harry 1,634 #147 Posted July 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Captain Risky said: i think someone has also mentioned Herodotus and his claims that the Great Pyramid wasn't used as a tomb and that Khufu's tomb is someplace else. the fact that the ancients also had their doubts about the great pyramid is significant and shouldn't be over looked. but the OP is using the argument of frequency which would suggest either a radio transmitter or a power source. Actually Herodotus never claimed the Great Pyramid wasn't the tomb of Khufu. On the contrary, he mentions an underground chamber in which the king was buried. Of course Herodotus was wrong here. The Great Pyramid's subterranean chamber never contained a burial. Rather it likely had symbolic importance, with its rough unfinished state reminiscent of the Duat. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Truman show 10,715 #148 Posted July 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, Lord Harry said: Actually Herodotus never claimed the Great Pyramid wasn't the tomb of Khufu. On the contrary, he mentions an underground chamber in which the king was buried. Of course Herodotus was wrong here. The Great Pyramid's subterranean chamber never contained a burial. Rather it likely had symbolic importance, with its rough unfinished state reminiscent of the Duat. my understanding is that Herodotus never mentions that the pyramids were tombs. further more, Herodotus say's that Cheops and the others were buried underneath the giza plateau. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32417238/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/cave-complex-may-lie-beneath-giza-pyramids/#.W0FJiUyB29Y 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Harry 1,634 #149 Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Captain Risky said: my understanding is that Herodotus never mentions that the pyramids were tombs. further more, Herodotus say's that Cheops and the others were buried underneath the giza plateau. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32417238/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/cave-complex-may-lie-beneath-giza-pyramids/#.W0FJiUyB29Y Interesting article. As it mentions, the caves likely have great archaeological potential. With that being said, it is clear from the presence of stone sarcopagi that the kings of the Fourth Dynasty were buried with in their pyramid complexes. Edited July 7, 2018 by Lord Harry 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Truman show 10,715 #150 Posted July 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lord Harry said: Interesting article. As it mentions, the caves likely have great archaeological potential. With that being said, it is clear from the presence of stone sarcopagi that the kings of the Fourth Dynasty were buried with their pyramid complexes. apart from the stone sarcophagus what other remains suggest that the pyramids were burial places? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites