Trial runs for fascism are in full flow

[Duke Wellington]

3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

If I remember correctly that happened pre-USA during the French Indian wars between England and France. 

yes that was the plan of some English officer although I cannot remember his name.

[Phaeton80]

1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

You already know the comments those four women have been making.

But still, I gave you an example link which has a video clip of her making anti-Semite comments.

If you are reffering to the Omar quotes I posted earlier, youre a bit confused about what anti Semite means, and what Un American is.

Anti Semitism does not mean being critical towards / acting against a political entity about their policies in regards to an occupied minority.

Anti Semite does mean mistreating, oppressing or otherwise committing crimes against a certain ethnic minority / group of the Semetical variant, like, say, Palestinians (yes, thats right, theyre Semites).

Un- or anti American does not mean being critical towards / acting against an Unconstitutional control wielded over the US government by a foreign power, a foreign power which has been proven to constitute one of the gravest security threats to the US. Any real patriot should support any move against such unwarranted subversive control by a foreign state. 

Un- or anti American does mean stifling, silencing or criminalizing people who dare to stand up and criticize the controlling foreign power no one is allowed to oppose or lament in any way, lest they be called.. well.. an Anti Semite.

..No wonder local Zionist AT is liking what you have to say, the level of inversion here is pretty damn strong.
 

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She is also the one who praised 9/11 and said the US deserved it.

I call BS on that one. Havent been able to find a single good source for this, please.. be so kind to prove your own statement here.

[Tatetopa]

56 minutes ago, OverSword said:

If I remember correctly that happened pre-USA during the French Indian wars between England and France. 

Your memory is excellent.  It was the  British. It was never an official policy of the yet to be formed United States government.  It may not have been official policy of the British government either, just an opportunistic local command decision.  Were we talking about European intentional infection of Indians or just American?  Did I get off track?

[+OverSword]

9 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

 Were we talking about European intentional infection of Indians or just American?  Did I get off track?

Genocide using smallpox as a weapon. 

[Imaginarynumber1]

2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

You already know the comments those four women have been making.

But still, I gave you an example link which has a video clip of her making anti-Semite comments.

Being anti-Israel =/= being anti-semitic 

[Imaginarynumber1]

2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

 

She is also the one who praised 9/11 and said the US deserved it.

I cannot find quotes of her saying that at all

[skliss]

4 hours ago, OverSword said:

Ever heard of Orville and Wilbur Wright?  The first men to build and fly a plane that worked, from Kansas?  Rock and Roll was adapted by the Brits from the likes of Little Richard, Elvis, Chuck Barry, etc.

Orville and Wilbur from Ohio...thank you very much

[Imaginarynumber1]

47 minutes ago, skliss said:

Orville and Wilbur from Ohio...thank you very much

Wilbur was born in Indiana 

[+OverSword]

56 minutes ago, skliss said:

Orville and Wilbur from Ohio...thank you very much

 My bad

[Duke Wellington]

14 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Since you mentioned it... no one ever saved my country from anyone. We save ourselves. Sometimes it takes years or centuries, so you have to pass it on to the next generation.  

First we had to save ourselves from Nazism - German, neighbouring and domestic, plus Italian fascism, then from the communists gone rabid. We were about to get rid of those, when extreme nationalists among Serbs lost their minds and thought they can ethnically cleanse everyone else, me included. Not only we had no help from the US, but they, thanks also to your country's ridiculously paranoid and backward politics, that always demanded their pet Serbs have their precious ex-Yu saved, did exactly that: with Dayton agreement gave Serbs more than they could get with war. And now there will possibly be another war in Bosnia & Herzegovina because of that. Partially. There are other factors in play, to be honest. But no ex-Yu will come out of that. We'll meet again in the EU, unless Putin manages to have it his way. Which I doubt, they already stopped spending as much as they did on their dingleberries in Europe, mostly far-right, populist and 'amateur' politicians.

Of course, I didn't write this for you, you're neither reading nor understanding anything. If you did read, you'd notice what is my stance on American role in fight against fascism. I even used a meme on previous page because I know people are rapidly losing the ability to read actual text.    

I wrote this for those who might be interested in the most condensed reminder of the history of this part of the world, since it can explain the current divisions in my society, possible future development of the situation and ways to influence it. 

This is important because - look, I'm returning this back on topic - Trump is a part of project that misuses the current justified protest of people who are witnessing their societies crumble, taking their financial security away too. I don't think he's intelligent enough to understand just how gigantic damage he's doing, but screw him. 

It's everyone who can understand what's going on that has to react, now, loudly, so we don't end up like Germany in 1930's. If we let our various wannabe fascists and Nazis slither into power, they will exterminate the opposition and it will become almost impossible to restore civilisation. 

You wriggled out of acknowledging the American sacrifice during WW2. So I will re-phrase. While they didnt march into Yugoslavia to liberate you, they played a huge pivotal role in bringing down the German Reich. My people did too. More than 300,000 British soldiers died to free Europe from the imperial ambitions of Hitler. So be more respectful to Americans please. If that isn't enough (and it should be) then please remember if there was no American sacrifice there would be no EU for you to be in.

Trump is nothing like Hitler. Those claiming he is are paranoid, hysterical, and totally unhinged. The guy is very intelligent (he has the highest IQ of any US President) and an expert at playing the media to keep the spotlight on his leadership.

He looks at which people wont vote for him, he says something to upset them, the media go all hysterical about it, and as a result he is kept in the limelight. He is a media genius. The current plot is to take the comments of `The Squad` and to damage the credibility of the Democrat Party so that he can be re-elected. 

Something he is currently doing quite well at. I am quite frankly surprised that the Democrats would continue to allow The Squad to be in their party given their comments. They need to be expelled. The worst of them is llhan Omar. You know she has a video from about 5 years ago saying she grew up in a country where she was taught to hate Jews? And then there are all her anti-Israel comments after which I linked too earlier.

Helen of Annoy - I think you are supporting the Democrats because they are a left wing party but obviously the media coverage in your country hasn't told you everything The Squad have said and been up to over the last 5 years. You are arguing a position but arent aware of why people are outraged at the Squad. Therefore I wont blame you for your views, but they arent correct.

Edited July 23, 2019 by RabidMongoose

[Gromdor]

2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

You wriggled out of acknowledging the American sacrifice during WW2. So I will re-phrase. While they didnt march into Yugoslavia to liberate you, they played a huge pivotal role in bringing down the German Reich. My people did too. More than 300,000 British soldiers died to free Europe from the imperial ambitions of Hitler. So be more respectful to Americans please. If that isn't enough (and it should be) then please remember if there was no American sacrifice there would be no EU for you to be in.

Trump is nothing like Hitler. Those claiming he is are paranoid, hysterical, and totally unhinged. The guy is very intelligent (he has the highest IQ of any US President) and an expert at playing the media to keep the spotlight on his leadership.

He looks at which people wont vote for him, he says something to upset them, the media go all hysterical about it, and as a result he is kept in the limelight. He is a media genius. The current plot is to take the comments of `The Squad` and to damage the credibility of the Democrat Party so that he can be re-elected. 

Something he is currently doing quite well at. I am quite frankly surprised that the Democrats would continue to allow The Squad to be in their party given their comments. They need to be expelled. The worst of them is llhan Omar. You know she has a video from about 5 years ago saying she grew up in a country where she was taught to hate Jews? And then there are all her anti-Israel comments after which I linked too earlier.

Helen of Annoy - I think you are supporting the Democrats because they are a left wing party but obviously the media coverage in your country hasn't told you everything The Squad have said and been up to over the last 5 years. You are arguing a position but arent aware of why people are outraged at the Squad. Therefore I wont blame you for your views, but they arent correct.

You are forgetting she didn't get liberated by Americans during WW2.  Her country became part of the Soviet Bloc.  Not sure why you are so determined to try and convince her that she owed America something.

[skliss]

12 hours ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

Wilbur was born in Indiana 

But I think the family moved to Ohio while he was still a toddler....essentially an Ohioian.

[DingoLingo]

5 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

The guy is very intelligent (he has the highest IQ of any US President) 

Really? 

 

[Duke Wellington]

6 minutes ago, DingoLingo said:

Really? 

 

Its 156 putting him at genius level.

[Imaginarynumber1]

34 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Yeah, I'm a bit skeptical myself.  The ability to correctly recall facts and history, speak/write in complete sentences, emotional intelligence/maturity, etc. all seem below average to me.  IQ is supposed to me mental age/physical age after all.  https://www.newsweek.com/trump-fire-and-fury-smart-genius-obama-774169

The 156 quoted number went around in 2016 putting trump at the top of the list of all presidents iqs. The data was real, with the expectation of trump. There is mo record of his iq. His consistent sundowning makes any guess irrelevant  anyway

[+and-then]

33 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

His consistent sundowning makes any guess irrelevant  anyway

Finally figured that out, eh?  He has ENDLESS capacity to poke the bear and you guys fall for every one of them.  Too funny.  I'm rather looking forward to the next election.

[skliss]

My sister has an IQ of 157. She's incredibly smart and yet sometimes says a really dumb thing. No one is a genius every moment if the day but when she is at work or needs to work thru a problem, uses critical thinking she can run rings around everyone else.

[Kismit]

thread cleaned,

we understand that topics get heated , but sometimes a deep breath and time to calm down, aids in a far more productive discussion.

[DingoLingo]

14 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Its 156 putting him at genius level.

is it 156? or is that what he is saying? .. because I cannot find it on the net

Personally I think you have had far smarter presidents.. 

[Vorg]

If find it amazing that Trump gets called a "Fascist" "Dictator" "Racist" and even "Nazi" yet refused to attacked Iran over the downing of a drone that would have killed over 150 brown skinned people. That seems like something a racist, Nazi fascist, dictator would have enjoyed doing, regardless of being "proportionate."

[Helen of Annoy]

42 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

If find it amazing that Trump gets called a "Fascist" "Dictator" "Racist" and even "Nazi" yet refused to attacked Iran over the downing of a drone that would have killed over 150 brown skinned people. That seems like something a racist, Nazi fascist, dictator would have enjoyed doing, regardless of being "proportionate."

He can't touch Iran, that's Russian sphere. That's why you'll keep hearing Trump threaten with attacking Iran, to Netanyahu's great satisfaction, but he simply has no permission from Putin to do it. 

It was actually quite funny to watch Iran upgrade their show of power, though seizing UK ship and apprehending over a dozen of 'CIA spies' (who knows if these poor souls were spies or not...) and notice the complete lack of response from the US side. To the lack of surprise of anyone who's not deliberately blind, of course.  

 

Speaking of fascist dictators, they typically aim for life-long presidential (therefore, dictatorial) terms, which is something Trump 'joked' about for the second time, at least. In the light of Mueller's testimony, Trump has every reason to be scared of the day when he's not the president anymore. This is why his 'joking' about installing himself into life-long power sounds more like wishful thinking on his - fortunately - incompetent part.   

Edited July 24, 2019 by Helen of Annoy
*coughs out a letter* It's an 'r'. It should've been 'through seizing' not 'though seizing'...

[RAyMO]

36 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

If find it amazing that Trump gets called a "Fascist" "Dictator" "Racist" and even "Nazi" yet refused to attacked Iran over the downing of a drone that would have killed over 150 brown skinned people. That seems like something a racist, Nazi fascist, dictator would have enjoyed doing, regardless of being "proportionate."

I for one and I am sure I am not alone don't believe this was the deciding factor or even a factor. That trump claimed it to be so makes it even more unbelievable.

[+OverSword]

22 hours ago, RAyMO said:

I for one and I am sure I am not alone don't believe this was the deciding factor or even a factor. That trump claimed it to be so makes it even more unbelievable.

I agree.  I think the real reason is they shot it down over their own territory.

[+OverSword]

23 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Trump has every reason to be scared of the day when he's not the president anymore.

No he doesn't.  Not one of them has ever been confronted with their crimes after leaving office and none will. 

[Helen of Annoy]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

No he doesn't.  Not one of them has ever been confronted with their crimes after leaving office and none will. 

It's true that not one of them has been, but this might be the first time. 

Because all of them were amoral, certainly, but not at all stupid. (The slightly stupid one had one hell of a team that, again, was amoral but not at all stupid.) And not one of them was completely mentally disabled with narcissist disorder. (You had one disabled completely with dementia, by the end of second term, but he had both the team and the functional wife to fill it in for him.)

I don't mean this as an insult, it's just an obvious fact: Trump can't use that little brain he's got left, due to his disorder that renders him irrational.

Unlike all those before him, he does not comprehend or care what the word consequence means and he especially does not care if the consequences are likely to hit others. He literally believes he can lie the reality he prefers into existence.

*snip*

I've seen this type of behaviour before. It's how we did in totalitarian socialism: repeat the prescribed phrases in public, or else. Do not question the party narrative.

Trump increasingly aggressively insists on his, irrational version of events, demanding classic cultist (politically fascist) obedience, that goes that far to ignore the palpable evidence in favour of leader's interpretations.  (Recent example where he froths at the reporter for telling the accurate version of Mueller's correction, refusing to accept Trump's ridiculously false version, like no one will ever be able to simply remember - or check - which of the two conflicting versions is the accurate one.) 

This won't end well. He will keep frothing, blathering and instigating until he manages to screw your country into some serious trouble. Which was Russian intention all along. Maybe not to this extent. And when serious trouble hits, the business will suffer. Now, this is where someone will pay for the losses. 

I agree, he would just slither away like anyone rich and influential else if he was just amoral like anyone else. And if he was rich. And if his influence wasn't limited to attraction of Barnum type, without real alliances and connections. He's a character, an actor, to be used. Not one of those from the contemporary ruling class. 

So, in short, I think he will answer in the end. If he doesn't fold in the meantime, which is not something I wish upon him, but it wouldn't exactly make me feel like you (consequentially, since this is a small and fragile world, the rest of us with you too) lost anything of value either. 

 

I hope you read this fast enough, since my posts tend to be very ephemeral  

Edited July 25, 2019 by Saru
Removed inflammatory remark