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Socialist Cuba is planning a series of potentially far-reaching changes, with a new constitution set to recognize the free market and private property, while dividing political powers between a president and a prime minister.

In a reform of the island nation's 1976 constitution expected to be quickly approved, the fundamental means of production will remain under central control, but foreign investment will be recognized as an important spur to development, according to details of the document published Saturday by the official newspaper Granma.

 

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/communist-run-cuba-to-recognise-private-property-in-new-constitution-10531472

 

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and then

It will be interesting to see who rushes in to invest.  My bets are on the Chinese.

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Farmer77

How quickly do you think American policy on Cuba will change now ?  

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DieChecker

And another example of "Communism" utterly and completely failing to work in the long term, or on a national scale.

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Thanato

I wonder how soon American car collectors are going to rush in and buy the 50s cars for pennies on the dollar 

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Eldorado

About time too. Humans are ambitious, ruthless, greedy and selfish and there's nothing going to change that. I reckon it's natural... survival of the species, pursuit of happiness and all that. Shame we can't always be honest about it.  lol

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Myles
On 7/14/2018 at 6:32 PM, and then said:

It will be interesting to see who rushes in to invest.  My bets are on the Chinese.

It would be smart if they could block outsiders from buying up personal property.  

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aztek
On 7/15/2018 at 9:19 AM, Thanato said:

I wonder how soon American car collectors are going to rush in and buy the 50s cars for pennies on the dollar 

you think Cubans will sell it for pennies on a dollar? lol  nope,   nor those cars have any collectable value, they are far from original condition, we have plenty of junk like that here. more than Cuba can fit, we do not need their junk,

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Myles
14 minutes ago, aztek said:

you think Cubans will sell it for pennies on a dollar? lol  nope,   nor those cars have any collectable value, they are far from original condition, we have plenty of junk like that here. more than Cuba can fit, we do not need their junk,

Most would sell them fairly cheap, but it still may not be worth it to buy them.   Decades of bondo and hangers holding them together doesn't garner much worth.   I would imagine a collector could find a couple cars that may have been stashed away, but they could do that here too.  

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new cars in cuba cost 2-3x of what they cost here,  no one will pay for an old car as much as new one cost,  also a car is a source of income in cuba, even doctors "taxi" there. pretty much anyone who has car does it there,  it does  not make sense to sell old running cars for them.

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-Nuke-
11 hours ago, aztek said:

new cars in cuba cost 2-3x of what they cost here,  no one will pay for an old car as much as new one cost,  also a car is a source of income in cuba, even doctors "taxi" there. pretty much anyone who has car does it there,  it does  not make sense to sell old running cars for them.

Wouldn't it be smart to start a company like uber or lyft in cuba then?

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aztek
Just now, -Nuke- said:

Wouldn't it be smart to start a company like uber or lyft in cuba then?

try it and let us know how it works out

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Black Red Devil
On 7/15/2018 at 8:32 AM, and then said:

It will be interesting to see who rushes in to invest.  My bets are on the Chinese.

It sounds like they're trying to copy the Chinese model.

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aztek

there is a lot more in doing businesses than just follow laws in 3rd countries, rampant corruption, organised crime racketeering. competition that is not afraid to kill. cuz they own cops....etc, 

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Gromdor
1 hour ago, aztek said:

there is a lot more in doing businesses than just follow laws in 3rd countries, rampant corruption, organised crime racketeering. competition that is not afraid to kill. cuz they own cops....etc, 

It ain't that bad.  Brother in law has an office branch in Cidade del Este, Paraguay.  It's pretty rough and tumble: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciudad_del_Este

Thing that annoyed him most was no zoning regulations.  You can literally put a slaughterhouse right next to a day care or restaurant.  Made it a real pain to set up an office that wouldn't dissuade clients.  He had to cut loose some clients too because they rented space in a mall that was owned by a guy that gave some money to Hezbollah. 

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AnchorSteam

Well, another step towards a Free Market, it might help.

At this rate, they might be back up to the standard of living they had back in the 1950s.... on about a hundred years.

 

But hey, at least they have free access to aspirin and Doctors that wouldn't qualify as Veterinarians here! :rofl:

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-Nuke-
17 hours ago, aztek said:

try it and let us know how it works out

I'm inelligable for a passport.

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aztek
Just now, AnchorSteam said:

 

But hey, at least they have free access to aspirin and Doctors that wouldn't qualify as Veterinarians here:rofl:

actually you are wrong, i would trust their doctors more then ours, .they did not become doctors to make money.  ours kill 250k a year by mistakes, and no one ever gets punished

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Bama13
4 hours ago, aztek said:

actually you are wrong, i would trust their doctors more then ours, .they did not become doctors to make money.  ours kill 250k a year by mistakes, and no one ever gets punished

To prove your point you would need to show the number of deaths a year in Cuba due to medical mistakes. 

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aztek
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Just now, Bama13 said:

To prove your point you would need to show the number of deaths a year in Cuba due to medical mistakes. 

not really,  all i need to know is that doctors are not in for the money. 

How Cubans Live as Long as Americans at a Tenth of the Cost

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/11/cuba-health/508859/

 

my reply was to the statement that Cuban doctors would not qualify as vet in usa, and that is a ignorant thing to say.

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AnchorSteam
12 hours ago, aztek said:

my reply was to the statement that Cuban doctors would not qualify as vet in usa, and that is a ignorant thing to say.

Aw gee, I'm so sorry for mocking a sacred cow of Communism/Socialism. 

Then again, nope!

I know the routine, pick out the one thing that one of these countries got right and flaunt it while ignoring everything that they got wrong (see above) and I'm very skeptical of it, having seen it hundreds of times in the past. 

 

At 1/10th the cost, you say? Tell me, what is the average salary in that country, for EVERYONE? What is the Government mandated cost of things? Mayhap that would have something to do with it.

And maybe our obesity rate does, too, considering what the caloric intake is in a country where getting enough food rationed out to you is a problem. 

The article also says that patients (everyone) cannot miss an appointment, I wonder what the penalty for that is? Hey, if you view people as livestock, ordering them around isn't much of a problem, but I think I'd take issue with it. It also does not show what the patient mortality rate is over there, but perhaps the lack of elective surgery might have something to do with it, eh? ;)

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aztek
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Just now, AnchorSteam said:

I know the routine, pick out the one thing that one of these countries got right a............

 

yep, this is one thing they got right,  and that is thing we talking about here, nothing else, 

sorry for stepping on your superiority toe, actually no,m i'm not

 

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