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Gobleki Tepe: 15 New Temples found

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Captain Risky

incredible site that keeps surprising. interesting that they estimate that the current dig will go on for at least another 150 years. 

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The Wistman

Here's a (very) short video from Turkish television displaying the overall site of excavations.  Not terribly informative, but good visuals for one to get the gist of how it now looks.  From a few days ago:

 

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Harte

I would bet they'll find a lot more.

Only a small portion of the site has been excavated.

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Captain Risky
2 hours ago, Harte said:

I would bet they'll find a lot more.

Only a small portion of the site has been excavated.

Harte

Most certainly they find more as the area has just been described as rich with history. It’s clear that the whole area is religious in nature and signs of everyday life will more than likely be found in the still yet to be excavated areas around the hill. 

Looking more and more like a civilisation. 

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Lord Harry
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15 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Most certainly they find more as the area has just been described as rich with history. It’s clear that the whole area is religious in nature and signs of everyday life will more than likely be found in the still yet to be excavated areas around the hill. 

Looking more and more like a civilisation. 

These early megalithic structures are quite interesting. Have you heard of the alleged pyramid off the coast of Okinawa, Japan? It is certainly something that warrants further investigation.

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Sir Wearer of Hats
28 minutes ago, Lord Harry said:

These early megalithic structures are quite interesting. Have you heard of the alleged pyramid off the coast of Okinawa, Japan? It is certainly something that warrants further investigation.

That one has been investigated well enough for the non-fringe to say “it’s a natural geologic feature”. 

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Sir Wearer of Hats

I’m a bit worried for GT actually, there’s a particular brand of extremism in Theism that operates on a “if it’s not in our Holy Book, it’s heretical and should be destroyed” principle. There are wafting suggestions of thst brand taking root in Turkey at the moment. 

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Captain Risky
2 hours ago, Lord Harry said:

These early megalithic structures are quite interesting. Have you heard of the alleged pyramid off the coast of Okinawa, Japan? It is certainly something that warrants further investigation.

yes i have. by all means create a thread so we can all discuss... 

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kmt_sesh
3 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Most certainly they find more as the area has just been described as rich with history. It’s clear that the whole area is religious in nature and signs of everyday life will more than likely be found in the still yet to be excavated areas around the hill. 

Looking more and more like a civilisation. 

I'm still hesitant to classify any of this as a civilization, but yes, who knows what the future might reveal? But I also want them to find much more tangible evidence about every-day life, about who these people were and what they believed. We still know almost nothing about them.

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9 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

I'm still hesitant to classify any of this as a civilization, but yes, who knows what the future might reveal? But I also want them to find much more tangible evidence about every-day life, about who these people were and what they believed. We still know almost nothing about them.

I have problems with the definition of "civilization". Because we were agro-foresters who basically created a giant self sustaining park-farm and some of our methods still can't be reproduced. Our technology was not "primitive". But "organic" and because of our belief system we did not consider ourselves above nature but part of it and took only what we needed. But our philosophies are similar to Tendai Buddhism. Not that ass backwards Abrahamic dreck.  White distortion and cultural destruction turned it into "primitive superstition".  We even have a zero in our number system (taallaan)

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Piney
3 hours ago, Lord Harry said:

These early megalithic structures are quite interesting. Have you heard of the alleged pyramid off the coast of Okinawa, Japan? It is certainly something that warrants further investigation.

It's poop, nothing but natural formations..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonaguni_Monument

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Harte
6 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Looking more and more like a civilisation. 

More stones = civilization?

Hardly

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Harte
6 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

That one has been investigated well enough for the non-fringe to say “it’s a natural geologic feature”. 

Even the fringe say it's natural.

The current fringe claim is that it "may have been used by humans."

Big deal.

The thing sank 2000 years ago.

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Captain Risky
4 minutes ago, Harte said:

More stones = civilization?

Hardly

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They’re more than just stones, mate!

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Harte

Lots of cultures carved stones, mate.

If you're not carving words, then stone masonry in itself, regardless of flourish, are not even close to a criteria for civilization.

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Captain Risky
41 minutes ago, Harte said:

Lots of cultures carved stones, mate.

If you're not carving words, then stone masonry in itself, regardless of flourish, are not even close to a criteria for civilization.

Harte

you're not being asked to judge coke over pepsi. what you are being asked to consider is a sophisticated temple complex that was built 12,000 years ago. a time when we have no records of anyone doing such a thing. 

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Captain Risky
4 hours ago, Piney said:

I have problems with the definition of "civilization". Because we were agro-foresters who basically created a giant self sustaining park-farm and some of our methods still can't be reproduced. Our technology was not "primitive". But "organic" and because of our belief system we did not consider ourselves above nature but part of it and took only what we needed. But our philosophies are similar to Tendai Buddhism. Not that ass backwards Abrahamic dreck.  White distortion and cultural destruction turned it into "primitive superstition".  We even have a zero in our number system (taallaan)

no offence mate but the builders of Goblekli Tepe were more advanced, way before your people. agro-foresters can not compare with building in stone. you had an organic system only cause you had no other.

its specialisation that leeds to a civilisation and there is plenty of that at GT.  

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Captain Risky
7 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

I’m a bit worried for GT actually, there’s a particular brand of extremism in Theism that operates on a “if it’s not in our Holy Book, it’s heretical and should be destroyed” principle. There are wafting suggestions of thst brand taking root in Turkey at the moment. 

yeah its a worry. we can only hope that the custodians of such places put their stewardship above politics and religion which is a problem in Turkey since the two are becoming more and more entangled these days. 

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Captain Risky
4 hours ago, kmt_sesh said:

I'm still hesitant to classify any of this as a civilization, but yes, who knows what the future might reveal? But I also want them to find much more tangible evidence about every-day life, about who these people were and what they believed. We still know almost nothing about them.

well a civilisation by definition is about organisation and social abilities and how they are employed. there's enough of that at GT. 

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Jarocal
1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

well a civilisation by definition is about organisation and social abilities and how they are employed. there's enough of that at GT. 

One could argue that agroforestry with its requirement of continued management necessitates far more organisation, social abilities and interaction on the part of a group of people than simply shaping a big rock or two and standing them up.

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Captain Risky
17 minutes ago, Jarocal said:

One could argue that agroforestry with its requirement of continued management necessitates far more organisation, social abilities and interaction on the part of a group of people than simply shaping a big rock or two and standing them up.

depends on who's doing it. does the 'civilisation" thats doing it, using written methods to record, astronomical time keeping, division of labour, surplus food and services that could allow for specialisation, making and improving tools and equipment, displaying art nd sciences? Goblekli Tepe is more than just carved rocks. its about the hidden story behind those temples.

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Tatetopa
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9 hours ago, Lord Harry said:

These early megalithic structures are quite interesting. Have you heard of the alleged pyramid off the coast of Okinawa, Japan? It is certainly something that warrants further investigation.

Wait a minute, how far is Okinawa from Turkey?  Is this a diversionary tactic?

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error in Turkey spelling.
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Jarocal
7 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

depends on who's doing it. does the 'civilisation" thats doing it, using written methods to record, astronomical time keeping, division of labour, surplus food and services that could allow for specialisation, making and improving tools and equipment, displaying art nd sciences? Goblekli Tepe is more than just carved rocks. its about the hidden story behind those temples.

If it more than just about carved rocks, why would you make a statement that agroforestry cannot compare to building in stone? Such an assertion seems to place undue importance on a rather simple and mundane task of working to shape stone. How do we know they were temples and not Brothels? 

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