Gobleki Tepe: 15 New Temples found

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5 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

  

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Gobleki Tepe is a old civilization but not Atlantis   

I wonder if the people of GT knew of Atlantis ?

[Piney]

8 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

  

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Gobleki Tepe is a old civilization but not Atlantis   

Wellllll......this thread just went to ****.......

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3 minutes ago, Piney said:

Wellllll......this thread just went to ****.......

...nah mate. Like all good scholarly debate the conversation has progressed to its natural direction. Bare in mind that we're talking of similar time lines.

[kmt_sesh]

8 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

...nah mate. Like all good scholarly debate the conversation has progressed to its natural direction. Bare in mind that we're talking of similar time lines.

Nothing much to say at the moment, except...howdy, Captain.

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2 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

Nothing much to say at the moment, except...howdy, Captain.

Hey its a bout time  how you doing ? 

[Hanslune]

26 minutes ago, Piney said:

Wellllll......this thread just went to ****.......

Well the Atlanteans had pottery, metal and writing - none of which show up  at GT. Looks like a long street of tedious boredom coming up. Unless this was 'leper colony' for Atlantean mental defectives.....or Lemurian

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5 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Well the Atlanteans had pottery, metal and writing - none of which show up  at GT. Looks like a long street of tedious boredom coming up. Unless this was 'leper colony' for Atlantean mental defectives.....or Lemurian

[kmt_sesh]

19 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Hey its a bout time  how you doing ? 

I'm prtty good for the time being. Just waiting to get released from this rehab institute.

[Piney]

31 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

...nah mate. Like all good scholarly debate the conversation has progressed to its natural direction. Bare in mind that we're talking of similar time lines.

Yup, and that's where me people, the "Red Race" originated even though I'm genetically half Korean or a Kazakh. 

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Just now, kmt_sesh said:

I'm prtty good for the time being. Just waiting to get released from this rehab institute.

Keep your head up and take each day as it comes. Sounds like you've had some very good help along the way. The forum missed you. 

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1 minute ago, Piney said:

Yup, and that's where me people, the "Red Race" originated even though I'm genetically half Korean or a Kazakh. 

Maybe. But its so long ago. I think I've told you that i can trace my DNA back to the Yamagans. Who knows... maybe we have more in common than you think. 

[Piney]

14 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Maybe. But its so long ago. I think I've told you that i can trace my DNA back to the Yamagans. Who knows... maybe we have more in common than you think. 

Yamnaya.

My maternal grandfather was Anglo- Norman so I have all those Alan (Eastern Iranian) genes and I literally share the same genes as the Kipchak that are a Orta Zhuz of the Kazakh who are also mixed with Eastern Iranian. 

Get mistaken for one too because that's the dialect of Turkish I speak. 

Edited January 26, 2020 by Piney
**** Atlantis

[kmt_sesh]

Never trust a fluffy bunny toting a chainsaw!

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

58 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

I'm prtty good for the time being. Just waiting to get released from this rehab institute.

The escape tunnel is being dug as we speak.

 

[Piney]

36 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

Never trust a fluffy bunny toting a chainsaw!

So what are you planning with Papa's batteries? Putting them in your pacemaker? 

[flying squid]

Also, why was Gobekli Tepe buried some 8.000 BC? Was the reason for it the emergence of agriculture, and the fact GT gradually lost his role? Or, the reason was something else?

[atalante]

2 hours ago, flying squid said:

Also, why was Gobekli Tepe buried some 8.000 BC? Was the reason for it the emergence of agriculture, and the fact GT gradually lost his role? Or, the reason was something else?

GT was surrounded by regions where the 3 main founder neolithic crops (barley, emmer and eincorn) grew wild.  Furthermore pigs, goats, sheep and cattle were domesticated nearby.  

 

Map of the Early Neolithic domestication of crops and animals in the Near East with dates BP

[flying squid]

47 minutes ago, atalante said:

GT was surrounded by regions where the 3 main founder neolithic crops (barley, emmer and eincorn) grew wild.  Furthermore pigs, goats, sheep and cattle were domesticated nearby.  

 

Map of the Early Neolithic domestication of crops and animals in the Near East with dates BP

Yes I know animals and crops was first domesticated in the area of the Fertile crescent. But, why exactly was the Gobekli Tepe buried 8.000 years BC?

Edited January 26, 2020 by flying squid

[Piney]

1 minute ago, flying squid said:

Yes I know animals and crops was first domesticated in the area of the Fertile crescent. But, why exactly was the Gobekli Tepe buried 8.000 years ago?

Horses were first domesticated on the Pontic-Caspian Steppe. Cattle had also been domesticated in the Steppe-Forest Zone right above it independently from the Fertile Crescent and pigs in China independently. Dogs were also domesticated in independent locals.  

Agriculture also developed independently all over the world so I don't think there is a connection. 

 

[Trelane]

17 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Yes thank you. something that I've endeavoured to show. The question begs... what else is out there. 

Yes, what else could there be? What were our ancestors really up to so long ago?

[Piney]

1 hour ago, atalante said:

GT was surrounded by regions where the 3 main founder neolithic crops (barley, emmer and eincorn) grew wild.  Furthermore pigs, goats, sheep and cattle were domesticated nearby.  

Animal and plant domestication happened independently throughout the world so why would there be a connection?

[flying squid]

37 minutes ago, Piney said:

Agriculture also developed independently all over the world so I don't think there is a connection.

 

That's what I'm thinking about. If there is no a connection between the emergence of agriculture. and the fact GT was buried.....then what was the reason? Does those people perhaps have leaved the area for some reas

Edited January 26, 2020 by flying squid
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[Piney]

3 minutes ago, flying squid said:

Atlante thinks like many other non-archaelogists. That somehow you need the ability to stack rocks to be advanced.

Proto-Uralic hunter/herders invented the wheel and the bow and arrow. Proto-Indo-Iranians nomads developed bronze and invented the sword, the spoked wheel and the chariot.  They went on to develop the finest steels. As with having advanced medicine.

Central-Southeastern Algonquians developed the finest agro-forestry/ agriculture techniques in the world. Some which still can't be reproduced with a CRISPR.

Chinese pig herders also developed some of the worlds finest agriculture and irrigation techniques. Hawaiian fish farming is still considered advanced.

All without building one friggin city. 

[Piney]

1 hour ago, flying squid said:

That's what I'm thinking about. If there is no a connection between the emergence of agriculture. and the fact GT was buried.....then what was the reason? Does those people perhaps have leaved the area for some reas

It might of been a cultic site following a religious leader who then failed or abused his power. When they realized how badly they were used and how much was wasted in people's time and resources they then destroyed it. 

A similar thing probably happened with certain Mound Builder Cultures. The Adena Wolf Cult leaders were scattered and killed and their bodies have been found from Kentucky to New Jersey. All suffering violent deaths. 

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1 hour ago, Piney said:

Atlante thinks like many other non-archaelogists. That somehow you need the ability to stack rocks to be advanced.

Proto-Uralic hunter/herders invented the wheel and the bow and arrow. Proto-Indo-Iranians nomads developed bronze and invented the sword, the spoked wheel and the chariot.  They went on to develop the finest steels. As with having advanced medicine.

Central-Southeastern Algonquians developed the finest agro-forestry/ agriculture techniques in the world. Some which still can't be reproduced with a CRISPR.

Chinese pig herders also developed some of the worlds finest agriculture and irrigation techniques. Hawaiian fish farming is still considered advanced.

All without building one friggin city. 

err Piney, i hate to break this to ya but you really do need to stack rocks on top of each other to create the basis of specialisation, thus producing surpluses. Surpluses that drive advancement in other areas. So you're wrong.

 As earth shattering as the invention of the wheel it wasn't the be all and end all of human endeavour. The Sumerians built an early and grand civilisation without the wheel. Writing and agriculture were bigger gains. 

Now I'm not sure what gene editing as to do with agriculture of your ancient people but these technological gains you speak of really didn't move nomads forward. They still continued to live relative simple lives with virtually no other technological gains. It took the early civilisations of of the Middle East, Egypt and Europe to further expand the promise of the wheel and horse to greater heights. 

So yes the wheel and domestication of the horse was a nomadic achievement but nothing else really became of it until later on and then only through the 'rock stackers'.