Gobleki Tepe: 15 New Temples found

[flying squid]

Well, we may never know with certainty why the site was abandoned and buried.

But, If we accept the theory GT was some kind of religious site. Or, even the oldest temple in the world. Then, the sanctuary/temple maybe was buried due to a change in beliefs. The sanctuary  perhaps lost his relevance. Maybe, after a while it became cossidered not a holy place anymore, and needed to be buried.

[Harte]

5 hours ago, flying squid said:

Well, we may never know with certainty why the site was abandoned and buried.

But, If we accept the theory GT was some kind of religious site. Or, even the oldest temple in the world. Then, the sanctuary/temple maybe was buried due to a change in beliefs. The sanctuary  perhaps lost his relevance. Maybe, after a while it became cossidered not a holy place anymore, and needed to be buried.

15 hours ago, Harte said:

The burial of this ancient spot

Was done every decade, it's thought.

Harte

 

[flying squid]

You are right, Harte. They buried a evrey old layer of Gobekli Tepe, And built the new one, above the old one. But, what was the purpose of the the burial in your opinion?

[Harte]

I won't try to be a fence sitter

I'll plunge right in looking for titters.

It took almost a score

Of years, maybe more

Before they got tired of their litter.

Harte

[abhijit_b]

On 1/29/2020 at 4:27 PM, flying squid said:

You are right, Harte. They buried a evrey old layer of Gobekli Tepe, And built the new one, above the old one. But, what was the purpose of the the burial in your opinion?

There is a possibility that these were knowledge centers, they studied and coded the knowledge on the walls of the pillars. Once they complete the research on one topic, they by heart the knowledge and bury it. Burying it ensures that the knowledge don't fall into enemies or wrong hands. Then they go on to the next topic and build a new structure. I believe most of these knowledge were astronomy oriented as pointed by some researches (I guess some main stream researches too).

I think, keeping knowledge in memory and passing it to the next generation is the safest way to protect it from enemies and take the real benefit/advantage out of it within the same community.  A typical example of this process can be observed in Indus Civilization, where the Vedas were simply transmitted by heart for generations and finally they were scripted sometime in 2nd millenium BCE. 

[WVK]

Abstract—We made an archaeoacoustic exploration at Enclosure D in the Göbekli Tepe archeological site. This site is the most ancient archaeological location recognized by archaeologists all over the world. It was dated 7,000 years before the Egyptian pyramids. Thanks to the site’s discoverer we had the possibility to record the vibrations coming from the subsoil, magnetic fields and the sound produced by hitting with hand on central pillar n.18. The results are amazing and confirm that Göbekli Tepe has the same archaeoacoustic aspects of many other typical sacred sites we have studied in Europe and Minor Asia. However the most interesting finding was understanding that the pillar we examined is probably at the centre of a sophisticated mechanism of vibrations and magnetic fields affecting the brain. This discovery is in contrast with our knowledge of the level of technology produced by the civilization who built these sacred temples. Our results have to be considered as preliminary results, however due to the death of the person who discovered the site and the current geopolitical situation in Turkey we cannot continue the research.

http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/Immagini/Archaeoacoustic%20Analysis%20in%20Enclosure%20D%20at%20G%C3%B6bekli%20Tepe%20in%20South%20Anatolia.pdf

[Piney]

1 hour ago, WVK said:

Abstract—We made an archaeoacoustic exploration at Enclosure D in the Göbekli Tepe archeological site. This site is the most ancient archaeological location recognized by archaeologists all over the world. It was dated 7,000 years before the Egyptian pyramids. Thanks to the site’s discoverer we had the possibility to record the vibrations coming from the subsoil, magnetic fields and the sound produced by hitting with hand on central pillar n.18. The results are amazing and confirm that Göbekli Tepe has the same archaeoacoustic aspects of many other typical sacred sites we have studied in Europe and Minor Asia. However the most interesting finding was understanding that the pillar we examined is probably at the centre of a sophisticated mechanism of vibrations and magnetic fields affecting the brain. This discovery is in contrast with our knowledge of the level of technology produced by the civilization who built these sacred temples. Our results have to be considered as preliminary results, however due to the death of the person who discovered the site and the current geopolitical situation in Turkey we cannot continue the research.

http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/Immagini/Archaeoacoustic%20Analysis%20in%20Enclosure%20D%20at%20G%C3%B6bekli%20Tepe%20in%20South%20Anatolia.pdf

......ok.........

 

[Piney]

2 hours ago, abhijit_b said:

There is a possibility that these were knowledge centers, they studied and coded the knowledge on the walls of the pillars. Once they complete the research on one topic, they by heart the knowledge and bury it. Burying it ensures that the knowledge don't fall into enemies or wrong hands. Then they go on to the next topic and build a new structure. I believe most of these knowledge were astronomy oriented as pointed by some researches (I guess some main stream researches too).

Your thinking about a society with a social hierarchy. The peasant class must never know the psychological secrets of the Priestly-Shaman class. Then you can't manipulate them.

 

[Hanslune]

2 hours ago, WVK said:

Abstract—We made an archaeoacoustic exploration at Enclosure D in the Göbekli Tepe archeological site. This site is the most ancient archaeological location recognized by archaeologists all over the world. It was dated 7,000 years before the Egyptian pyramids. Thanks to the site’s discoverer we had the possibility to record the vibrations coming from the subsoil, magnetic fields and the sound produced by hitting with hand on central pillar n.18. The results are amazing and confirm that Göbekli Tepe has the same archaeoacoustic aspects of many other typical sacred sites we have studied in Europe and Minor Asia. However the most interesting finding was understanding that the pillar we examined is probably at the centre of a sophisticated mechanism of vibrations and magnetic fields affecting the brain. This discovery is in contrast with our knowledge of the level of technology produced by the civilization who built these sacred temples. Our results have to be considered as preliminary results, however due to the death of the person who discovered the site and the current geopolitical situation in Turkey we cannot continue the research.

http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/Immagini/Archaeoacoustic%20Analysis%20in%20Enclosure%20D%20at%20G%C3%B6bekli%20Tepe%20in%20South%20Anatolia.pdf

Thanks for posting that but you must excuse my being skeptical towards much of the material.

Quote

The resonance we found in Enclosure D by strikingthe pillar n.18 was amazing. We can assume that there is an equivalent version of a musical box below the pillars and the pillar works as a transducer for the resonances, but the current data is insufficient for a definitive statement. We have to considerit only a starting point for future research.

I believe the pillar is sitting on solid rock - can anyone confirm or show otherwise? Thanks

Edited February 3, 2020 by Hanslune

[Piney]

Just now, Hanslune said:

Thanks for posting that but you must excuse my being skeptical towards much of the material.

I'm skeptical towards all of it. 

How would you know the original acoustic features without the original environment and organic construction material intact.

If the place was surrounded by trees, which was probably the case, and there was other materials involved in the construction any sound would be different. 

[Hanslune]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

I'm skeptical towards all of it. 

How would you know the original acoustic features without the original environment and organic construction material intact.

If the place was surrounded by trees, which was probably the case, and there was other materials involved in the construction any sound would be different. 

As noted before the pillars probably supported a wooden frame work which would have dampened any 'vibration'. Yeah I have a feeling people didn't sit or stand on stone the place would have have fur, leather, straw(grasses) or other items to sit or lie upon.

[jaylemurph]

5 hours ago, WVK said:

Abstract—We made an archaeoacoustic exploration at Enclosure D in the Göbekli Tepe archeological site. This site is the most ancient archaeological location recognized by archaeologists all over the world. It was dated 7,000 years before the Egyptian pyramids. Thanks to the site’s discoverer we had the possibility to record the vibrations coming from the subsoil, magnetic fields and the sound produced by hitting with hand on central pillar n.18. The results are amazing and confirm that Göbekli Tepe has the same archaeoacoustic aspects of many other typical sacred sites we have studied in Europe and Minor Asia. However the most interesting finding was understanding that the pillar we examined is probably at the centre of a sophisticated mechanism of vibrations and magnetic fields affecting the brain. This discovery is in contrast with our knowledge of the level of technology produced by the civilization who built these sacred temples. Our results have to be considered as preliminary results, however due to the death of the person who discovered the site and the current geopolitical situation in Turkey we cannot continue the research.

http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/Immagini/Archaeoacoustic%20Analysis%20in%20Enclosure%20D%20at%20G%C3%B6bekli%20Tepe%20in%20South%20Anatolia.pdf

Oh. This isn’t a trailer for next week’s episode of Doctor Who. Hunh. 

—Jaylemurph 

[Unusual Tournament]

3 hours ago, Hanslune said:

As noted before the pillars probably supported a wooden frame work which would have dampened any 'vibration'. Yeah I have a feeling people didn't sit or stand on stone the place would have have fur, leather, straw(grasses) or other items to sit or lie upon.

It’s a bit like saying Stone Hedge had a wooden canopy covered in animal skins and furs... totally ridiculous!

Edited February 3, 2020 by Captain Risky

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

It’s a bit like saying Stone Hedge had a wooden canopy covered in animal skins and furs... totally ridiculous!

Stonehenge had a giant wooden palisade around out so it couldn't be seen from the outside.

https://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146413511

[jaylemurph]

1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

It’s a bit like saying Stone Hedge had a wooden canopy covered in animal skins and furs... totally ridiculous!

I think most of us would agree a Stone Hedge is totally ridiculous. Look at the source. 

—Jaylemurph

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

a Stone Hedge

Wouldn't that be called a "wall"? 

[jaylemurph]

Just now, Piney said:

Wouldn't that be called a "wall"? 

A wall? With some sort of “roof”?!

Ridiculous. Totally ridiculous. 

—Jaylemurph 

[Hanslune]

1 hour ago, jaylemurph said:

A wall? With some sort of “roof”?!

Ridiculous. Totally ridiculous. 

—Jaylemurph 

Yeah there use to be this thing called rain, sun and insects and they use to annoy people who sat in holes in the ground...........LOL

[Unusual Tournament]

4 hours ago, Piney said:

Stonehenge had a giant wooden palisade around out so it couldn't be seen from the outside.

https://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146413511

That’s a fence around stonehedge, Piney. Nothing to do with a roof.

[Unusual Tournament]

2 hours ago, Hanslune said:

Yeah there use to be this thing called rain, sun and insects and they use to annoy people who sat in holes in the ground...........LOL

There is no proof of a wooden structure on any of the GT temples. Admit your brain farted  with that silly notion have a drink and relax... you’re far too tents.

[jaylemurph]

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

That’s a fence around stonehedge, Piney. Nothing to do with a roof.

At this point, I’m not sure if you’re doing it deliberately or not, but the long-standing name of the Wiltshire megaliths is “Stonehenge.” No hedges involved. 

—Jaylemurph 

[Unusual Tournament]

Popularity of Turkey's ancient temple worries archaeologists

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/01/worlds-oldest-temple-commercialized-with-films.html

[flying squid]

After the two years and 28 pages written this thread is still called 'Gobleki Tepe: 15 New Temples found'. Where is GOBLEKI Tepe? Never heard of it? Is this a some newly discovered archaeological site? 'Hanslune', did you discovered GOBLEKI Tepe recently? 

As far as I know it, there is an archeological site called GOBEKLI Tepe. 

[Hanslune]

5 hours ago, flying squid said:

After the two years and 28 pages written this thread is still called 'Gobleki Tepe: 15 New Temples found'. Where is GOBLEKI Tepe? Never heard of it? Is this a some newly discovered archaeological site? 'Hanslune', did you discovered GOBLEKI Tepe recently? 

As far as I know it, there is an archeological site called GOBEKLI Tepe. 

Yes the OP initially misspelled it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göbekli_Tepe

 

[flying squid]

Archaeologists Find Hidden Geometric Pattern At World’s Oldest Temple Göbekli Tepe

https://www.disclose.tv/archaeologists-find-hidden-geometric-pattern-at-worlds-oldest-temple-gobekli-tepe-398731

The famous Göbekli Tepe, meaning "potbellied hill" in Turkish, has thrown up a wide range of new and interesting theories about it and the people who built it. Construction of the first phase was dated to between 11,000 and 12,000 years ago, putting it at a time when humans were still very primitive, hunting and gathering to survive. It's for this reason that the prehistoric stone circle, which is located on a barren hilltop in southeastern Turkey, has challenged so many archaeologists’ ideas about the ancient cultures and what their capabilities were. Many leading archaeologists are confused as to how the assumed-lower intelligence humans were able to construct such a monumental stone structure before any real social order occurred. It doesn't stop there though, things are about to get a whole lot more interesting.