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Majority of US Welcome Putin to White House

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RavenHawk
25 minutes ago, aztek said:

talking about perception management

When I was about 8, the neighbor had gotten a calf in the early spring and got me to take care of him.  I would feed him from a bottle.  I’d play with him and watched him mature.  Then in the fall, the neighbor organized a matanza.  Basically, you build a huge fire pit and put all the food in the pit and bury it and let it cook throughout the day.  The neighbor slaughtered that cow and put him in the pit.  I cried all day long.  In the evening, the neighbor brought me some of the meat.  I sampled it and enjoyed it.  I learned that everything in nature has its purpose.  I shouldn’t mourn the loss of a playmate but to give thanks to GOD and the cycle of nature.

I thought this clip was pretty good.  I guess it was an attempt to get us to go vegan?  He was incorporating his technique into the talk.  Yeah, I thought the two circles were the same but when he said they were not, I was like – ok show me.  I guess because of my childhood experience, his talk didn’t faze me.  I think that many thinks that because we’re in a more modern world that the necessity of putting meat on the table isn’t that important.  There is nothing more necessary.  Meat isn’t the only source for protein but it is the best, most economical source.  We can’t ingest enough plant material to replace meat.  We probably could cut back a bit.  At the same time, we need a wide variety of foods to get different things.  A balanced diet is not tradition, it is necessity.    Now if you eat cow or dog, that is tradition.  We can use the entire animal.  It can be a pet, provide food, provide clothing and tools.  For animals with more intelligence (namely dogs, horses, and even cats, etc.), they can also be companions in life and work.

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aztek

yea i do not agree on his vegan thing,. but he showed how people's minds can be easily manipulated.

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RavenHawk
16 minutes ago, aztek said:

yea i do not agree on his vegan thing,. but he showed how people's minds can be easily manipulated.

Right.  I guess what I was trying to get at was that when one gets a dose of reality, it’s not that easy to manipulate someone.  That’s why you see Cuban exiles an ex-Soviet Bloc types warn about Socialism yet sheltered Millennials in this country are in love with it.

The shortcoming of his opening experiment is that in the initial knee-jerk reaction everybody was manipulated in one way or the other but if someone could have demonstratively shown that both circles were the same size, would have nullified that manipulation.  I suppose that even after that, some would still think that the two circles are of different sizes.

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Paranormal Panther
14 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Its truly that hard for you to grasp why the response would be different huh? 

(read in patient elementary school teachers voice) 

When Obama interfered in Israel's election that was America doing something to someone else. 

When Russia interfered in America's elections that was someone doing something to Americans. 

I grasp BS very well. This comes in handy when I read your posts.

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Paranormal Panther
8 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Yeah, “we’re all astronauts!”  Should we be concerned that you might be on secret shuttle flight to go blow up an asteroid barreling toward Earth?

 

We avoided an asteroid barreling toward Earth when Hillary lost to Trump. There may be more astronauts, thanks to his victory.

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Farmer77
13 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

From that report, there is no evidence of interfering with the midterms. 

They were trying to hack a senator up for reelection. Comeon man 

13 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Do you really think that Putin would be that blatantly obvious? 

Considering that our government still doesn't have a coordinated plan to counter Russian election meddling um yes yes I do because he is being allowed to by our POTUS. 

This is kind of why ive been railing so hard against whats going on. Trump supporters are so blinded by their faith that neither Putin nor Trump need be anything but obvious.

They know they can do whatever they want and that Trump supporters will simply spin it away and blame Hillary and the MSM. 

 

 

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Einsteinium
On 7/30/2018 at 4:39 PM, RavenHawk said:

And Occam is rolling over in his grave!  Can you say convoluted?  And you claim to be a scientist or in the discipline?  You should go into fiction.

 

This is just my own guess at what happened, I never said it was objectively true. It is no more true than Trump's claim of 'NO COLLUSION'

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Einsteinium
On 7/31/2018 at 11:17 PM, Farmer77 said:

They know they can do whatever they want and that Trump supporters will simply spin it away and blame Hillary and the MSM.

Exactly, and we see this happening even right here on this thread. The inability of his supporters to see the truth of what is going on is truly frightening. The way they just accept anything he says as truth, and immediately just discount anything the media says as fake news is just unbelievable to me. Never thought this would happen in the US. I have friends who immigrated here from actual dictatorships and they tell me this sort of thing is how life was over there all the time and they came in here in part to escape that, and they see it creeping into our society over here and they are extremely worried.

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Einsteinium
On 7/31/2018 at 5:34 PM, Paranormal Panther said:

We avoided an asteroid barreling toward Earth when Hillary lost to Trump. There may be more astronauts, thanks to his victory.

This makes no sense.

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Merc14
2 hours ago, Einsteinium said:

Exactly, and we see this happening even right here on this thread. The inability of his supporters to see the truth of what is going on is truly frightening. The way they just accept anything he says as truth, and immediately just discount anything the media says as fake news is just unbelievable to me. Never thought this would happen in the US. I have friends who immigrated here from actual dictatorships and they tell me this sort of thing is how life was over there all the time and they came in here in part to escape that, and they see it creeping into our society over here and they are extremely worried.

What horse ****.  :rolleyes:  Maybe they are talking about your refusal to see how corrupt Hillary is if they actually said anything at all.

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Einsteinium
35 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

What horse ****.  :rolleyes:  Maybe they are talking about your refusal to see how corrupt Hillary is if they actually said anything at all.

Why are you still talking about Hillary? The 2016 election was 2 years ago and you Trump supporters still bring up Hillary. This is exactly what I was talking about, you just parrot Trumps talking points and take everything he says as truth and anything the media says that disagrees with Trumps version of reality you claim is fake news. His strategy is working, you for one keep trying to shift the narrative to Hillary or the media or anyone but Trump.

Ask yourself, is that the strategy of someone who is innocent? No, that is the strategy of someone looking to conceal guilt.

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OverSword
2 hours ago, Einsteinium said:

Exactly, and we see this happening even right here on this thread. The inability of his supporters to see the truth of what is going on is truly frightening. The way they just accept anything he says as truth, and immediately just discount anything the media says as fake news is just unbelievable to me. Never thought this would happen in the US. I have friends who immigrated here from actual dictatorships and they tell me this sort of thing is how life was over there all the time and they came in here in part to escape that, and they see it creeping into our society over here and they are extremely worried.

Was this same thing going on when some shortcoming of the Obama administration was pointed out and his followers blamed GWB? 

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OverSword
1 minute ago, Einsteinium said:

Why are you still talking about Hillary? The 2016 election was 2 years ago and you Trump supporters still bring up Hillary. This is exactly what I was talking about, you just parrot Trumps talking points and take everything he says as truth and anything the media says that disagrees with Trumps version of reality you claim is fake news. His strategy is working, you for one keep trying to shift the narrative to Hillary or the media or anyone but Trump.

Ask yourself, is that the strategy of someone who is innocent? No, that is the strategy of someone looking to conceal guilt.

Please see my above post as a response to this as well.

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Merc14
16 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

Why are you still talking about Hillary? The 2016 election was 2 years ago and you Trump supporters still bring up Hillary. This is exactly what I was talking about, you just parrot Trumps talking points and take everything he says as truth and anything the media says that disagrees with Trumps version of reality you claim is fake news. His strategy is working, you for one keep trying to shift the narrative to Hillary or the media or anyone but Trump.

Ask yourself, is that the strategy of someone who is innocent? No, that is the strategy of someone looking to conceal guilt.

Well the impeachment you are hoping for is based on Trump rigging the election so she lost which means she is still a very big subject.  If you leftists would grow up an accept that you lost the election because she was a corrupt and very poor candidate.  BTW your insults are childish at best, you sound like a frazzled teenager with this simplistic BS and your endless, empty accusations.

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Einsteinium
36 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Was this same thing going on when some shortcoming of the Obama administration was pointed out and his followers blamed GWB? 

Well, no. That would be like Trump blaming Obama for some of his shortcomings (oh wait, he does this too)

The correct Hillary comparison would be if Obama had blamed McCain for some of his shortcomings continuously even 2 years later. 

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OverSword
1 minute ago, Einsteinium said:

Well, no. That would be like Trump blaming Obama for some of his shortcomings (oh wait, he does this too)

The correct Hillary comparison would be if Obama had blamed McCain for some of his shortcomings continuously even 2 years later. 

So what shortcoming of Trumps is he blaming on Hilary?

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Einsteinium
22 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

Well the impeachment you are hoping for is based on Trump rigging the election so she lost which means she is still a very big subject.  If you leftists would grow up an accept that you lost the election because she was a corrupt and very poor candidate.  BTW your insults are childish at best, you sound like a frazzled teenager with this simplistic BS and your endless, empty accusations.

No, it is based on Trump conspiring with a foreign power to influence the election. Whether or not that influence had any real impact is actually something we may never be able to quantify, and as such, is not the right question to be asking. I prefer to ask questions that can be answered. If Trump did in fact conspire with the Russians to commit crimes such as hacking or to get around federal election funding laws or anything illegal, then he is guilty of criminal conspiracy which is a 'high crime or misdemeanor' and therefore should be impeached.

 

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Einsteinium
1 minute ago, OverSword said:

So what shortcoming of Trumps is he blaming on Hilary?

He blames her for losing the popluar vote and falsely claims that 'millions of people illegally voted for Hillary" otherwise he would have won the popular vote in his mind. That is clearly blaming her for his shortcoming (failure to win the popular vote).

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OverSword
1 minute ago, Einsteinium said:

He blames her for losing the popluar vote and falsely claims that 'millions of people illegally voted for Hillary" otherwise he would have won the popular vote in his mind. That is clearly blaming her for his shortcoming (failure to win the popular vote).

That seems worth b****in about.

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Einsteinium
43 minutes ago, OverSword said:

That seems worth b****in about.

Trump is the biggest snowflake in the country, of course his ego would not be able to handle not winning the popular vote and of course he would blame 'millions of illegal voters' without a shred of prood instead of placing the blame on himself and his ends justify the means campaign.

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OverSword
30 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

Trump is the biggest snowflake in the country, of course his ego would not be able to handle not winning the popular vote and of course he would blame 'millions of illegal voters' without a shred of prood instead of placing the blame on himself and his ends justify the means campaign.

True that.

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preacherman76
2 hours ago, Einsteinium said:

Why are you still talking about Hillary? The 2016 election was 2 years ago and you Trump supporters still bring up Hillary. This is exactly what I was talking about, you just parrot Trumps talking points and take everything he says as truth and anything the media says that disagrees with Trumps version of reality you claim is fake news. His strategy is working, you for one keep trying to shift the narrative to Hillary or the media or anyone but Trump.

Ask yourself, is that the strategy of someone who is innocent? No, that is the strategy of someone looking to conceal guilt.

We bring her up to show your hypocrisy. If she was in office right now, doing far worse then Trump could ever do, we wouldn't hear anything from you. Heck you'd be defending her. 

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Sir Wearer of Hats
2 hours ago, Einsteinium said:

Why are you still talking about Hillary? The 2016 election was 2 years ago and you Trump supporters still bring up Hillary. This is exactly what I was talking about, you just parrot Trumps talking points and take everything he says as truth and anything the media says that disagrees with Trumps version of reality you claim is fake news. His strategy is working, you for one keep trying to shift the narrative to Hillary or the media or anyone but Trump.

Ask yourself, is that the strategy of someone who is innocent? No, that is the strategy of someone looking to conceal guilt.

Because we all know, except for the die-hard Trumpeteers, that Teump’s a prize goose, but the thing very few people are talking about is how bad the other option in that election was as well.

you can’t just reform your political landscape by looking at one party, you need to look at both.

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Einsteinium
38 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

We bring her up to show your hypocrisy. If she was in office right now, doing far worse then Trump could ever do, we wouldn't hear anything from you. Heck you'd be defending her. 

You have judged me wrong. I did not want Hillary either.

In my opinion a system that spits out Hillary and Trump and makes the population choose between those two people is a broken system.

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Paranormal Panther
5 hours ago, Einsteinium said:

This makes no sense.

Raven Hawk got it. See, Hillary would have been an unmitigated disaster (like an asteroid strike) like the *two* preceding presidents, and there might be more astronauts with Trump in the White House than there would have been with Hillary in the White House.

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