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RavenHawk
6 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

What a load of BS! What has he actually done to 'drain the swamp'? Corruption in his administration is abnormally high. Just look at Scott Pruitt, hard to find a bigger swamp monster than him. Not to mention Trump has filled appointments with lobbyists who made a career out of making the swamp what it is today.

This is one thing that Trump has done a great job fooling his supporters on. He is turning the swamp into a septic tank and has you all cheering him on while he does it. What a joke.

You have no clue, do you?  What did Patton want to do in Germany after the War?  What did Lincoln do to win the war?  No idea?  Patton wanted to put Nazis in high positions because they could keep the trains running and the power on.  In time, they would have been replaced.  Lincoln went through one general after another until he found one that was able to take to fight to the enemy.  I believe that these are two tactics that Trump is following and it appears to be working.  The Swamp underestimated Trump and he took advantage of that.  That’s where some of the hatred comes from.

 

We are truly lost if you believe this crap.

You are lost if you don’t.  No one said it was going to be pretty.

 

I agree on the democrats. Disagree that American culture is about to be put back on track but then again, I suppose if you consider American culture to be the culture of the 1920s-30's then sure, perhaps this is the case. I hope that you are in a position to weather the coming storm safely.

Not quite, that is the period of Socialism.  When it started to take hold.  Our culture is American based on another ideology in the here and now.  We are a Republic based in individualism and self-reliance.  Times change, human nature does not.  But to get back to where we need to be is going to be a bumpy ride.  Everyone is going to get dirty on this, there will be no safe places.

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RavenHawk
10 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

He does far more than embellish facts, he says things that are provably and totally untrue. That is dangerous, how can you not see that?

OK, like what?  Just a simple list will do.  Don’t want to spend too much time shooting it down.

 

The MSM has on several occasions that I can think of, broke news that was not true about Trump, but in every case they owned up to their mistake and corrected it later.

That is a load of BS.  Rarely do they ever own up.  Do you actually ever watch the MSM?  It is anti-Trump 24x7x365.  It has become a joke.  We no longer have a press, let alone freedom thereof.  They have reneged on their responsibilities.  They have become the propaganda arm of the Progressives.  They have become so irrelevant that Trump goes around them.

 

Trump does not own up to his falsehoods and often does not correct them later. The MSM is struggling to cover this president because they have never seen anything like him before. They actually have had discussions on air over how they should be covering the Trump administration and how to cover the sheer number of his falsehoods and call him out on them (which is their job after all) without making themselves appear biased against him.

That’s the point, they don’t know how to cover him honestly because they aren’t.

 

There is no good answer here.

Yes, there is.  But it requires a self-exorcism to draw out the poison.

 

If you simply call out Trumps lies, it seems like you are biased against him because there are so many lies to call out. If you don't call out his lies, then you are not doing your job of uncovering the truth and holding politicians to account.

Maybe if the MSM would climb out of the swamp then they wouldn’t see so many lies and maybe, just maybe, start building a rapport with him, they would find a way to cover this President.

 

Then you have fox news which has morphed into basically a propaganda outlet which further complicates everything. You have legitimate news networks who appear biased for merely calling out the administrations falsehoods, and you have a competing network more than willing to turn a blind eye to those falsehoods for the sake of ratings and power of having presidential favor.

I must laugh at this.  Fox calls out this President when he screws up.  But to call this network propaganda is pot kettle black.  Fox is pretty much the only outlet that is fair, even though it is owned by Newscorp (or is it Disney now?) which is part of the Swamp.  Fox only exists so that the Mega6 can claim that they are fair and balanced.  It is bread and circuses for the masses.

 

So the MSM is really stuck between a rock and a hard place. No matter what they do, Trump wins in the eyes of his base. His base does not seem to understand the issues the media is dealing with or understand how Trump is manipulating the narrative. His blind supporters are the source of his power and his ability to manipulate the narrative. Truth does not matter to his supporters and he understands this and uses it.

And that base is growing because it does understand very well what the issues are.  There is nothing more corrupt than the MSM and the people know it.  Yes, Trump is manipulating it and the MSM wouldn’t know what the truth was.  That’s what Trump’s supporters love.  The MSM have lost their way and are getting their comeuppance. 

 

My main concern is for our system and our ability to discern what objective reality is. Call me what you want, but Trump is at the center of this storm that is threatening our very reality and our very systems meant to protect and reveal the truth and I for one see what he is and what he is trying to do. I just hope more of his supporters wake up and see what is going on before civil war 2 breaks out.

Well, that’s the problem.  Objective reality has been hijacked by Progressivism.  Trump *IS* at the center and he only threatens Progressive reality.  His supporters see what is happening.  The MSM doesn’t understand that.  I don’t see how we can avoid a new civil war because the poison is just too deep.  As John Brown stated prior to the first Civil War, this guilty land can only be cleansed by blood.  We have let Socialism weave its web of deception in this nation for far too long and now we are going to pay the price.

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Einsteinium
29 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

OK, like what?  Just a simple list will do.  Don’t want to spend too much time shooting it down.

Here you go https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

30 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Rarely do they ever own up.  Do you actually ever watch the MSM?  It is anti-Trump 24x7x365.

I do watch the MSM, I also watch Fox News and read Brietbart from time to time so I know what the latest propaganda is.

They do own up, almost every time actually. Unfortunately, when they own up it never gets as much attention as the initial falsehood does, so it is always underwhelming and easily  missed. This is especially true for articles where they typically just add a footnote at the end stating what was corrected, why, and when. You have to actually read the fine print sometimes to know what is really going on, something few do.

 

32 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Fox is pretty much the only outlet that is fair

It is fair in that they give equal time to BS conspiracy theory crap nonsense. There is a problem with 'showing the argument of both sides' when one side is living in an objectively false reality. You may call that balanced, but in my opinion it is nothing less than giving equal air time and treating equally a real medical doctor, and a quack witch doctor psychic and treating them as though their opinions on how to treat a brain aneurysm as equally valid.

 

35 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Maybe if the MSM would climb out of the swamp then they wouldn’t see so many lies and maybe, just maybe, start building a rapport with him, they would find a way to cover this President.

Sorry, Trump lying is his problem, not the problem of the MSM. You are suggesting that the media just ignore blatant falsehoods coming from the president of the united states and get in line. That is NOT what a free press does nor is it what they should do. A free press can and should report the news as it is, not as the president wants it to be. When he lies, they need to call him on his bluff, if he doesn't like that then he should stop lying so much. The fact that you think the press is in the wrong here is extremely troubling. How would you have liked it had I said that Fox News needs to stop reporting on Benghazi and then maybe they wouldn't see so many lies in the Obama administration and built a rapport with him?

 

38 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

And that base is growing because it does understand very well what the issues are.  There is nothing more corrupt than the MSM and the people know it.  Yes, Trump is manipulating it and the MSM wouldn’t know what the truth was.  That’s what Trump’s supporters love.  The MSM have lost their way and are getting their comeuppance.

Trump's base has a lot of work to do if they are ever going to convince me they understand what the issues are. Seems to me that the issues are whatever Trump tells them the issues are. They just fall in line behind Trump. You think all the rest of the media should also just fall in line behind Trump and stop questioning what he is doing and why?

41 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Well, that’s the problem.  Objective reality has been hijacked by Progressivism.  Trump *IS* at the center and he only threatens Progressive reality.  His supporters see what is happening.  The MSM doesn’t understand that.  I don’t see how we can avoid a new civil war because the poison is just too deep.  As John Brown stated prior to the first Civil War, this guilty land can only be cleansed by blood.  We have let Socialism weave its web of deception in this nation for far too long and now we are going to pay the price

We are so far away from socialism that this comment makes no sense. FDR and the new deal time period were more socialist than where we are now. LBJ and the new society deal even were more socialistic in nature than where we are now. To claim that we are on a path to socialism is just not correct and is again, just repeating BS talking points of the right wing media and their opposition to Obamas policies. I always laughed at how they would cry 'socialism!' at everything it was so obviously just propaganda, especially after you factor in historical policies I mentioned before of FDR and LBJ which were far more socialist than, say, the ACA ever was. Yet here we are.

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1 hour ago, Einsteinium said:

You don’t listen too well, but that’s ok, this is still a perfect example and I’ll respond to it in a separate post.  If you want lies how ‘bout this from by post #230:

 

Trump has been known to exaggerate but it doesn’t come close to “Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”, “We revealed to the American people exactly what we understood at the time.”, “Not even a smidgen of corruption.”, “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”, …  And the hits just kept on coming.

 

I guess you’ve already forgotten these??

 

I do watch the MSM, I also watch Fox News and read Brietbart from time to time so I know what the latest propaganda is.

And you are still clueless.

 

They do own up, almost every time actually. Unfortunately, when they own up it never gets as much attention as the initial falsehood does, so it is always underwhelming and easily  missed. This is especially true for articles where they typically just add a footnote at the end stating what was corrected, why, and when. You have to actually read the fine print sometimes to know what is really going on, something few do.

Very rarely do they own up to it.  Why should they, they’ve already caused damage.  I like what you tried here.  “They own up to it”…  To what?  “The initial falsehood”.  Real cute.  If it was a falsehood, then why would they feel the need to own up to it?  Reading the fine print doesn’t count toward owning up.

 

It is fair in that they give equal time to BS conspiracy theory crap nonsense. There is a problem with 'showing the argument of both sides' when one side is living in an objectively false reality. You may call that balanced, but in my opinion it is nothing less than giving equal air time and treating equally a real medical doctor, and a quack witch doctor psychic and treating them as though their opinions on how to treat a brain aneurysm as equally valid.

There’s this book titled “The Cosmic Serpent”.  It’s about how science is looking into shamanism and realizing that there is something to witch doctors and their beliefs.  The point being that your analogy is becoming obsolete.  But anyway, what CT?  The one that has been pushed by the Progressives?  Of collusion between Trump and Putin?  Sunlight is starting to shine on it all.

 

Sorry, Trump lying is his problem, not the problem of the MSM. You are suggesting that the media just ignore blatant falsehoods coming from the president of the united states and get in line. That is NOT what a free press does nor is it what they should do. A free press can and should report the news as it is, not as the president wants it to be. When he lies, they need to call him on his bluff, if he doesn't like that then he should stop lying so much. The fact that you think the press is in the wrong here is extremely troubling. How would you have liked it had I said that Fox News needs to stop reporting on Benghazi and then maybe they wouldn't see so many lies in the Obama administration and built a rapport with him?

Trump’s embellishment amounts to nothing.  That is the problem of the MSM.  They cannot discern what are lies because they use them to protect Progressives.  When Trump states hyperbole in rhetoric, it is a collapse of Western Democracy.  The MSM does not report the news as is but what they are directed to by the Progressives.  We do not have a free press and Trump is fighting that.  Doesn’t matter what Fox news reports on, the MSM gave Obama a pass on Benghazi.  Four Americans were sacrificed and many more abandoned because “what does it matter of the lives of a few Deplorables?”

 

Trump's base has a lot of work to do if they are ever going to convince me they understand what the issues are. Seems to me that the issues are whatever Trump tells them the issues are. They just fall in line behind Trump. You think all the rest of the media should also just fall in line behind Trump and stop questioning what he is doing and why?

You can’t tell because you are in line behind the Progressives.  I don’t agree with everything Trump does but I’m not childish about those things.  I understand where he is coming from and what he is attempting.  The old ways haven’t worked so it’s time for something bold and new.  I’m willing to give him a lot of leeway.  Because the alternative is stuck in the quagmire of Progressivism.  That is counter to the beliefs and intentions of the Founding Fathers.  Without that, we have no nation.

 

We are so far away from socialism that this comment makes no sense. FDR and the new deal time period were more socialist than where we are now. LBJ and the new society deal even were more socialistic in nature than where we are now. To claim that we are on a path to socialism is just not correct and is again, just repeating BS talking points of the right wing media and their opposition to Obamas policies. I always laughed at how they would cry 'socialism!' at everything it was so obviously just propaganda, especially after you factor in historical policies I mentioned before of FDR and LBJ which were far more socialist than, say, the ACA ever was. Yet here we are.

We are so close to Socialism that it is only a generation away.  Ever since Wilson, it has been entangling itself into the fabric of Americana.  Obamacare is the next attempt at usurpation.  There were still just too many that were onto this sham.  We have no more Democratic Party, it is Progressive.  Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the new face of the movement.  They aren’t trying to hide it anymore.  The Republican Party is in name only.  It will take generations if at all to replace the old Establishment.  Trump is the counter to this movement.  And he is driving them mad.  It is our only hope.

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Einsteinium
13 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

You don’t listen too well, but that’s ok, this is still a perfect example and I’ll respond to it in a separate post.  If you want lies how ‘bout this from by post #230:

 

 

 

Trump has been known to exaggerate but it doesn’t come close to “Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”, “We revealed to the American people exactly what we understood at the time.”, “Not even a smidgen of corruption.”, “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”, …  And the hits just kept on coming.

 

 

 

I guess you’ve already forgotten these??

 

 

 

 

 

And you are still clueless.

 

 

 

 

 

Very rarely do they own up to it.  Why should they, they’ve already caused damage.  I like what you tried here.  “They own up to it”…  To what?  “The initial falsehood”.  Real cute.  If it was a falsehood, then why would they feel the need to own up to it?  Reading the fine print doesn’t count toward owning up.

 

 

 

 

 

There’s this book titled “The Cosmic Serpent”.  It’s about how science is looking into shamanism and realizing that there is something to witch doctors and their beliefs.  The point being that your analogy is becoming obsolete.  But anyway, what CT?  The one that has been pushed by the Progressives?  Of collusion between Trump and Putin?  Sunlight is starting to shine on it all.

 

 

 

 

 

Trump’s embellishment amounts to nothing.  That is the problem of the MSM.  They cannot discern what are lies because they use them to protect Progressives.  When Trump states hyperbole in rhetoric, it is a collapse of Western Democracy.  The MSM does not report the news as is but what they are directed to by the Progressives.  We do not have a free press and Trump is fighting that.  Doesn’t matter what Fox news reports on, the MSM gave Obama a pass on Benghazi.  Four Americans were sacrificed and many more abandoned because “what does it matter of the lives of a few Deplorables?”

 

 

 

 

 

You can’t tell because you are in line behind the Progressives.  I don’t agree with everything Trump does but I’m not childish about those things.  I understand where he is coming from and what he is attempting.  The old ways haven’t worked so it’s time for something bold and new.  I’m willing to give him a lot of leeway.  Because the alternative is stuck in the quagmire of Progressivism.  That is counter to the beliefs and intentions of the Founding Fathers.  Without that, we have no nation.

 

 

 

 

 

We are so close to Socialism that it is only a generation away.  Ever since Wilson, it has been entangling itself into the fabric of Americana.  Obamacare is the next attempt at usurpation.  There were still just too many that were onto this sham.  We have no more Democratic Party, it is Progressive.  Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the new face of the movement.  They aren’t trying to hide it anymore.  The Republican Party is in name only.  It will take generations if at all to replace the old Establishment.  Trump is the counter to this movement.  And he is driving them mad.  It is our only hope.

 

It is pointless for me to continue arguing with those who are beyond reason and have bought into Trumps nonsense hook, line, and sinker. I will be back when Mueller releases his report to either state that I was categorically wrong in my opinion of his guilt, or to see if any of you Trump supporters will do the same if the conclusions are what I suspect they will be.

I expect Trump supporters will claim it is a conspiracy of some kind, that the Mueller report is bogus and untrue. I expect them to further entrench themselves in their alternate reality and refuse to accept the well evidenced conclusions of the report and instead choose to just blindly believe what Trump says. That is what I fully expect to see from Trump supporters. I expect that because your dear leader Trump has been preparing you for that conclusion for over a year now, and by now his mantra of 'NO COLLUSION' will have become part of their sheeple psyche such that any conclusion contrary to that will be seen as a hostile action. I fully expect violence in the streets and a constitutional crisis the likes of which we have never seen before.

I will be back then.

 

One more thing to add. If you think Trump is going to change things for the better you are no better than Obama supporters who bought into the whole 'hope and change" BS rhetoric he had. You are buying into the same BS, just disguised in a cynical and conservative wrapper.

You will undoubtedly be just as dissapointed at the end of the day as Obama's die hard supporters were when his hope and change never materialized. I struggle to understand why you believe in this mans bull**** when it is so obviously bull****. At least Obama was half believable. This guy isn't even believable when he spews his BS.

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 1) "U.S. Steel just announced that they are building six new steel mills."

 

Between restarts, new mills and expansions, the steel industry has seen significant investment this year. But Trump is wrong. U.S. Steel is restarting two shuttered mills. Other companies are re-opening or building a few other mills. We rate Trump’s statement False.

 

In the big picture, building or restarting, this is a nothing burger.  Being the nation’s head cheerleader, precise facts do give way to spur of the moment rhetoric.  Some it things like this that garner the hatred?  That is irrational.  And I go down the list, it will come back to this.  The MSM is the one blowing things all out of proportion.

 

 2) "Wow, highest Poll Numbers in the history of the Republican Party. That includes Honest Abe Lincoln and Ronald Reagan."

 

Credit where credit is due: Trump is very popular among Republicans, and at one point, his approval rating within his own party trailed only George W. Bush among postwar Republican presidents.

 

However, no pre-1936 president served in an era with scientific polling, so Trump’s comparison of himself to Lincoln is spurious. Meanwhile, Trump’s approval rating at the time of the tweet ranked in the middle of the post-World War II Republican presidents, and measured in other ways, his support among Republicans was actually worse than every post-war Republican president except for Gerald Ford.

 

The guy won an election, don’t you think he’s allowed to embellish a bit?  WTF!?

 

 3) the Steele dossier "was responsible for starting" Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into links between the Trump campaign and Russia.

 

The Steele dossier did not trigger Mueller’s investigation. It was information from Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos that set the probe in motion. Also, Mueller did not take up the investigation until roughly a year after the triggering event.

 

If the dossier did not exist, there would be not be a Special Counsel.  I think that the SC was established in February 2017 and Mueller came on board in May.  Whether or not, you think it triggered the investigation after the fact, it started the whole thing.

 

This is already getting boring…  I’ll do a couple more, YAWN.

 

 4) that "the Electoral College is much more advantageous for Democrats."

 

There may have been a popular misperception prior to the 2016 election that Democrats had a large number of solidly blue states that made it much easier for them to reach 270 than the Republicans. But professional handicappers never considered states such as Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin to be solid for the Democrats, even in the 2008 and 2012 elections — and any notion that they continue to be solidly Democratic going forward was exploded by Trump’s wins in those states, making his use of the present tense dubious.

 

There may even be a modest Republican lean to the Electoral College in this political moment, but we couldn’t find evidence of a permanent bias either way.

 

The Blue Wall has never been a misperception.  It has been a staple of the Progressive power base long before Trump even considered running for President.  And it still remains going into the midterms.  The professional handicappers have always assumed Progressives have the edge because the Progressives control the urban areas.  It is well known that if you win 15 or the 25 heaviest population counties, you win the Electoral College.  I just haven’t looked into how Trump beat that?  Did he keep the Progressives from getting that 15 or was it a comparable number of Rural counties he won?

 

 5) "The servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC" are "missing."

 

The DNC servers were never missing. The DNC provided the FBI with a copy of their server, rather than the original hardware, but Comey testified that the evidence was an appropriate substitute.

 

Awan, the "Pakistani gentleman" in the news, never worked for the DNC. Conservative news outlets suggested he had stolen a House Democratic server, but the U.S. Attorney’s Office found no evidence of such theft.

 

That was a convoluted distraction.  Sorry, but an image is never a good enough substitution to the physical machine.  The actual machine might have had a hidden drive, etc.  And the whole story behind Awan has never smelled right.  But probation (even 6 months) sounds like an easy slap on the hand.  Kind of interesting how his fraud charge occurred the same time the hacking went on.  Anyway, the point is that this whole mess is more complex than it seems.  We’ll never know the full story.  Trump may have been inaccurate to focus on Awan, but his instincts that something is amiss is still dead on.  That is hardly a lie.

 

Is this how all the others are going to go?  You embarrass yourself to be so easily swayed.  All of these are based on some lame interpretation as provided by the Progressives.

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3 hours ago, Einsteinium said:

It is pointless for me to continue arguing with those who are beyond reason and have bought into Trumps nonsense hook, line, and sinker. I will be back when Mueller releases his report to either state that I was categorically wrong in my opinion of his guilt, or to see if any of you Trump supporters will do the same if the conclusions are what I suspect they will be.

I expect Trump supporters will claim it is a conspiracy of some kind, that the Mueller report is bogus and untrue. I expect them to further entrench themselves in their alternate reality and refuse to accept the well evidenced conclusions of the report and instead choose to just blindly believe what Trump says. That is what I fully expect to see from Trump supporters. I expect that because your dear leader Trump has been preparing you for that conclusion for over a year now, and by now his mantra of 'NO COLLUSION' will have become part of their sheeple psyche such that any conclusion contrary to that will be seen as a hostile action. I fully expect violence in the streets and a constitutional crisis the likes of which we have never seen before.

I will be back then.

 

One more thing to add. If you think Trump is going to change things for the better you are no better than Obama supporters who bought into the whole 'hope and change" BS rhetoric he had. You are buying into the same BS, just disguised in a cynical and conservative wrapper.

You will undoubtedly be just as dissapointed at the end of the day as Obama's die hard supporters were when his hope and change never materialized. I struggle to understand why you believe in this mans bull**** when it is so obviously bull****. At least Obama was half believable. This guy isn't even believable when he spews his BS.

Good riddance to your sanctimonious ****,.  You haven't gotten a single thing right this entire episode yet see yourself as some clear eyed thinker who is above the fray.  LMAO  As far as the Mueller report I can tell you what it will say today just like I could've told you a year ago.

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On ‎8‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 9:23 AM, Einsteinium said:

I do blame the democrats for falling for his BS though and not keeping a clear head through this which would be far more beneficial.

It will be important to keep an eye on them throughout this process and the recovery. The temptation to simply follow Trumps authoritarian road will be great and we must begin to set our minds against that now. 

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On ‎8‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 10:23 AM, RavenHawk said:

That he embellishes facts is really unimportant.  It’s what his intentions are that register with his supporters.

And theres no chance hes lying about his intentions? He demonstrably lies about everything else why is that the one thing hes telling the truth about?

On ‎8‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 10:23 AM, RavenHawk said:

So tell me, when something like 96% of all the news reported on Trump is negative, can anyone be that bad or is the MSM lying? 

No he's really that bad and he does it to himself. Look at the economic numbers that came out the other day. The MSM was covering those successful numbers, until Trump tweeted something stupid (hell now I  cant remember if it was the racist Lebron tweet or the admission to Russian conspiracy tweet) and then that became the major story of the day. 

Like it or not the POTUS being racist is a bigger story than a policy success, same for admitting to conspiracy with a foreign government. 

Basically the very same things that energize his base are hugely negative stories for the majority of the world. 

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On 8/6/2018 at 1:37 PM, Einsteinium said:

It is pointless for me to continue arguing with those who are beyond reason and have bought into Trumps nonsense hook, line, and sinker.

You are just lost.  I can say the same.  You have bought into the Progressive narrative, hook, line, and sinker.  It is entirely pointless.  But to record the fact is important.

 

I will be back when Mueller releases his report to either state that I was categorically wrong in my opinion of his guilt, or to see if any of you Trump supporters will do the same if the conclusions are what I suspect they will be.

We’ll see.  If the evidence points to collusion between Trump and Putin (even though that is not a crime) and it’s not ginned up, Trump will lose his base, which I’m sure you salivate at.  But the conclusions will not be what you suspect.  That is clear.  Your hatred blinds your reason.

 

I expect Trump supporters will claim it is a conspiracy of some kind, that the Mueller report is bogus and untrue.

And what happens if Mueller’s report *IS* bogus and untrue?  Sounds like you are already doubting the outcome.  If Mueller comes back and gives Trump a clean bill of health, you’re going to say that Trump got to Mueller.  Putin made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.  The Progressives will further entrench themselves and incite trouble.

 

I expect them to further entrench themselves in their alternate reality and refuse to accept the well evidenced conclusions of the report and instead choose to just blindly believe what Trump says.

We’ll have to see what is considered “well evidenced”.  If it is anything like your politifact list of lies, you’re in trouble.  Given the track record, if there was anything, it would have been leaked already, because the arrogance of those after Trump bounds no ends.  It is obvious that Trump supporters have a better grip on reality than the Progressives and MSM.  They prove it daily.  Rosie is now claiming that Trump is paying thousands to show up to his rallies.

 

That is what I fully expect to see from Trump supporters.

In other words, you’ll believe the lie to get Trump.  Let’s see the evidence.  There is nothing more to wait for.  Or are they holding something to dump on a Friday before midterms?  Something that sounds bad, but is ultimately a nothing burger.  That’ll be an interesting question.  When would be the most strategic point to put out a report?  Of course, the answer would be to do the most damage to Trump.  That’s why we know Mueller has nothing, because the report would have been out already.  The later the dump, the less affect it will have on the momentum of his rallies.  If Trump is guilty, it’s going to have to come out before midterms so we can get all sorts of Progressives filling Congress by swaying the voters.  It’s Mueller’s duty to save this country and bring down Trump asap before any more damage can be done to the nation.

 

I expect that because your dear leader Trump has been preparing you for that conclusion for over a year now, and by now his mantra of 'NO COLLUSION' will have become part of their sheeple psyche such that any conclusion contrary to that will be seen as a hostile action. I fully expect violence in the streets and a constitutional crisis the likes of which we have never seen before.

How is he preparing us?  A mantra of 'NO COLLUSION' is not enough.  The fact that there is no evidence is better.  There is far better evidence of corruption in the previous Administration.  Between Hilary using the government as a cash cow and Obama weaponizing government agencies against the people to realize that fundamental change, there are a lot of people going to jail for a very long time after Mueller drops his nothing burger.  I would be careful about your sheeple psyche.  When Mueller finally has to admit there’s no evidence, there will be violence in the street – from Antifa because they can’t find any safe places.

 

I will be back then.

I won’t hold my breath.

 

One more thing to add. If you think Trump is going to change things for the better you are no better than Obama supporters who bought into the whole 'hope and change" BS rhetoric he had. You are buying into the same BS, just disguised in a cynical and conservative wrapper.

I don’t think he is some messiah (like people thought of Obama), but he is making positive change in this country.  A lot better than “Fundamental Change”.  Instead of turning this into some Socialist utopia, he’s returning us back to a Republic, proud and confident.  That doesn’t mean it will stick.  There are still generations of Progressive ideology to overcome.  Everything could easily be erased by the next President.  It’ll be up to us Deplorables to finish the work.  What Trump is doing is causing the Progressives to go even further Left.  The people will see Progressivism for what it really is and we’ll see real change.  We already are seeing its true colors.

 

You will undoubtedly be just as dissapointed at the end of the day as Obama's die hard supporters were when his hope and change never materialized. I struggle to understand why you believe in this mans bull**** when it is so obviously bull****. At least Obama was half believable. This guy isn't even believable when he spews his BS.

Wow!  Such a sourpuss.  If Trump’s Presidency ended right now, I would be absolutely ecstatic with what he has accomplished.  Obama was never believable.  His character was paper thin.  On the other hand, Trump’s is substantial.  He is not perfect but his heart is in the right place.  And he has the quality of leadership that this nation sorely lacked.  He inspires those that believe in America.  That still believe that the dream is not dead.

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3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

And theres no chance hes lying about his intentions?

There’s a chance that everybody lies about something.  But he is not lying about his intentions.  All dictators tip off their hand with their writings.  Hitler and Obama were very clear with their intentions before coming to power.  What’s Trump’s writings?  “The Art of the Deal”.  That really doesn’t compare to Mein Kampf or Dreams of My Father/Audacity of Hope.

 

He demonstrably lies about everything else why is that the one thing hes telling the truth about?

I like the narrative to stress the “lies”.  If it is like Einsteinium’s list on politifact, you are truly stretching the truth.  I haven’t looked at all of them, so there could be one or two that might merit concern but as long as it is all bundled together, it is bogus fairy tales.  It is not building credibility.

 

No he's really that bad and he does it to himself.

You miss the point.  No one is that bad.  It is a reaction.  It is not him but the fact that he acts like a drawing salve pulling poison from the body that garners the vitriol against him.  The poison is fighting against exorcism.

 

Look at the economic numbers that came out the other day. The MSM was covering those successful numbers, until Trump tweeted something stupid (hell now I  cant remember if it was the racist Lebron tweet or the admission to Russian conspiracy tweet) and then that became the major story of the day. 

Yeah, right.  They were following the numbers alright, biting their tongues or trying to dismiss them.  They are looking for anything.  If it wasn’t these tweets then they’d say something about the lack of tweets or just make something up as they usually do.  Like the before mentioned tweets.  Where was the Lebron tweet racists?  Because Lebron is Black?  OMG!  No, because Lebron is ignorant.  My wife is from Cleveland, so don’t tell me about Lebron.  I hear about him all the time.  His status in Cleveland began to wane when he started to go political.  The ‘admission’ tweet is regurgitated old news.  It first came out about a year ago and it was no admission.  The MSM is now trying to recycle old junk because they don’t give the people any credit.

 

Like it or not the POTUS being racist is a bigger story than a policy success, same for admitting to conspiracy with a foreign government. Basically the very same things that energize his base are hugely negative stories for the majority of the world. 

For the majority of the world, eh?  So you basically think the world are morons too?  That these are a bigger story is not because of Trump.  It is because of the MSM.  Just like the Progressives, the MSM have marginalized themselves.  The more bad press they throw at Trump, the more support he garners because that bad press is becoming more and more transparent and the world sees that.

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Just now, RavenHawk said:

All dictators tip off their hand with their writings. 

You mean kinda like :

"The press is the enemy of the people"  

Donald Trump Retweets Post With Quote From Mussolini
 

Trump to veterans: Don’t believe what you’re reading or seeing

Even if you like Trump you need to be honest in your evaluation of his behaviors. 

 

1 minute ago, RavenHawk said:

I like the narrative to stress the “lies”.  If it is like Einsteinium’s list on politifact, you are truly stretching the truth.  I haven’t looked at all of them, so there could be one or two that might merit concern but as long as it is all bundled together, it is bogus fairy tales.  It is not building credibility.

This is dangerous denial and nothing more. 

8 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

eah, right.  They were following the numbers alright, biting their tongues or trying to dismiss them.  They are looking for anything.  If it wasn’t these tweets then they’d say something about the lack of tweets or just make something up as they usually do.

Yes the facts are uncomfortable for you so invent an alternate reality where the "bad guys" are stereotype cutouts. THAT is healthy for America 

9 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Where was the Lebron tweet racists?  Because Lebron is Black?  OMG!  No, because Lebron is ignorant.  My wife is from Cleveland, so don’t tell me about Lebron.  I hear about him all the time.  His status in Cleveland began to wane when he started to go political.  The ‘admission’ tweet is regurgitated old news.  It first came out about a year ago and it was no admission.  The MSM is now trying to recycle old junk because they don’t give the people any credit.

If you dont understand why trump randomly attacking the intelligence of an anchor from a network he allegedly never watches and a professional athlete after watching them have an interview in a school that Lebron opened for underaged kids is racist then idk what to tell you. That said im sure you dont think trump saying he doesn't want black people handling his money was racist either so pearls before swine I suppose. 

 

13 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

For the majority of the world, eh?  So you basically think the world are morons too?  That these are a bigger story is not because of Trump.  It is because of the MSM. 

No its because of America. While clearly a foreign concept to you the majority of folks care about things like nation over party. 

 

15 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

The more bad press they throw at Trump, the more support he garners because that bad press is becoming more and more transparent and the world sees that.

Youre half right. The more truth that comes out the harder Team Trump works on the propaganda. Sadly for you that propaganda is making the faithful more extreme but certainly isn't garnering new followers. 

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19 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

The ‘admission’ tweet is regurgitated old news.  It first came out about a year ago and it was no admission.  The MSM is now trying to recycle old junk because they don’t give the people any credit.

This came out 8/5/2018 …..AKA 3 days ago 

 

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