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Helen of Annoy
7 hours ago, joc said:

I said ...Leaders...There aren't any Leaders in Europe...only  Followers...of Putin.

Was that meant as a provocation divorced from reality or was it just display of genuine ignorance? 

 

There certainly are few leaders in Europe who are desperately trying to crawl up Putin's ass, only Trump takes too much space in there so they're still sticking out. Their strategy is already backfiring on them and it's pure pleasure to watch it.

On the other hand, most European countries do have constructive if not friendly relations with Russia, which is something that must and will change for the better, as soon as the natural and political processes make it possible. American self-destruction will only speed that up.      

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Setton
7 hours ago, joc said:

Mmmmm hmmmm....

Thanks for sharing half of your wit.

No problem. Thanks for sharing all of yours. Shame it was over so quickly. 

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4 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Was that meant as a provocation divorced from reality or was it just display of genuine ignorance? 

 

There certainly are few leaders in Europe who are desperately trying to crawl up Putin's ass, only Trump takes too much space in there so they're still sticking out. Their strategy is already backfiring on them and it's pure pleasure to watch it.

On the other hand, most European countries do have constructive if not friendly relations with Russia, which is something that must and will change for the better, as soon as the natural and political processes make it possible. American self-destruction will only speed that up.      

Sweet, sweet Helen of Annoy....

You just reiterated exactly what I said in your own, eloquent way.  Constructive,. friendly relations with Russia is what I am talking about.  It's playing with a Rattlesnake. Literally the old fable applies:

Man on the mountain is approached by a rattlesnake.  The rattlesnake says to the man, Please help me off the mountain, it is too cold and I will surely die. Just put me in your coat and carry me down with you please.

The Man replies, No...you will bite me.  Oh no, no...I will not bite you...I promise!  So the Man puts the rattlesnake into his coat and when he opens his coat at the bottom of the mountain, the rattlesnake immediately bites him on the neck.  But...but...you PROMISED you wouldn't bite me.  Well, yeah, but you know, I am a rattlesnake! 

Trump is not in bed with Putin.  Hillary surely is...and the Democrats surely are...and the Left absolutely is.  

Let me ask you a question to ponder my dear, sweet, Helen of Annoy (who never annoy's me).   Why do you think Merkel allowed Germany ...no wait...insisted on...Germany being completely over run with Syrian refugees?  Because she cares about the Syrian plight?  Hell no Helen!  Because she wanted to destroy Germany from within...for Putin.  Don't forget sweetheart, The Berlin Wall...that was the fatal nail in the coffin of the USSR....which Putin desperately wants to reconfigure.  

If America self destructs...it will be the end of Freedom of Man on Planet Earth.  

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4 hours ago, Setton said:

No problem. Thanks for sharing all of yours. Shame it was over so quickly. 

That's kind of the way it goes when you argue with half wits...they only have half a wit to share. B)

You obviously listen to the news.  It doesn't matter where the Main Stream Media is being listened to Setton.  It is ALL Pravda.  What we call the Main stream media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the Left...for Putin...for the 'dream' of a Utopian World Wide Communist/Socialist Empire.

If all you listen to is the Media...then all you will regurgitate what they say is the truth...all you will think is what the Media says.  It's poison.

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Oh my word this thread is enlightening, who is this Helen sweetie? jokes eh!! oh and more, more, more, more! stories/hypo scenarios JOC I like metaphores- that heyZeus kid was certainly fond of them.

No reply necessary just early morning surfing and ramblings.

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Helen of Annoy
34 minutes ago, MWoo7 said:

Oh my word this thread is enlightening, who is this Helen sweetie? jokes eh!! oh and more, more, more, more! stories/hypo scenarios JOC I like metaphores- that heyZeus kid was certainly fond of them.

No reply necessary just early morning surfing and ramblings.

Damn it, I am sweet! *hits desk with clenched fist* 

Thanks for showing up, I was about to start explaining why are illogical conspiracies illogical, which would be illogical :D 

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49 minutes ago, joc said:

That's kind of the way it goes when you argue with half wits...they only have half a wit to share. B)

I know you think you were clever with this but if I shared half my wit, I still have another half to share. If you shared all of yours, you're all out. If you're going to try an insult, do try to get it right. 

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You obviously listen to the news.  It doesn't matter where the Main Stream Media is being listened to Setton.  It is ALL Pravda.  What we call the Main stream media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the Left...for Putin...for the 'dream' of a Utopian World Wide Communist/Socialist Empire.

If all you listen to is the Media...then all you will regurgitate what they say is the truth...all you will think is what the Media says.  It's poison.

I do listen to the news. From lots of different sources around the world. I then use that to form my own opinion. 

Rather than regurgitating propaganda from either side. 

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4 minutes ago, Setton said:

I do listen to the news. From lots of different sources around the world. I then use that to form my own opinion. 

Rather than regurgitating propaganda from either side. 

You are making my whole point for me Setton.  I really don't think you are a half wit...I think you are an intelligent guy, but I also think that you are either naive or ignorant or a bit both of the true nature of World Wide Media.  It is ALL tilted Left.  Fox News?  Yes!  Even Fox new thinks they are fair and balanced because they have the blithering idiocy of Shepard Smith on.

So...let me help you out here...seriously.  It doesn't matter in the USA what media outlet you listen to.  They are all going to tell you the exact same thing.  Ditto the media outlets around the world...whether you are listening to BBC or NBC or whatever, where ever...you will hear exactly the same take on exactly the same stories in exactly the same manner.   So if we take the time to listen to various news entities...as you and many do...what we might conclude is, obviously, what you are concluding...completely understandable btw...that if all the news media outlets around the world are reporting the same stories in the same way...then it must be true.

That my friend is the big LIE.  The World Wide Media tells us what they want us to hear....deliberately not reporting things they don't want us to hear.  And they use key words that echo across the world.  You don't get that from listening to them but it is fascinating to listen to when put in the form of a montage.

So...to illustrate what I'm talking about...I give you this:

 

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27 minutes ago, joc said:

You are making my whole point for me Setton.  I really don't think you are a half wit...I think you are an intelligent guy, but I also think that you are either naive or ignorant or a bit both of the true nature of World Wide Media.  It is ALL tilted Left.  Fox News?  Yes!  Even Fox new thinks they are fair and balanced because they have the blithering idiocy of Shepard Smith on.

So...let me help you out here...seriously.  It doesn't matter in the USA what media outlet you listen to.  They are all going to tell you the exact same thing.  Ditto the media outlets around the world...whether you are listening to BBC or NBC or whatever, where ever...you will hear exactly the same take on exactly the same stories in exactly the same manner.   So if we take the time to listen to various news entities...as you and many do...what we might conclude is, obviously, what you are concluding...completely understandable btw...that if all the news media outlets around the world are reporting the same stories in the same way...then it must be true.

That my friend is the big LIE.  The World Wide Media tells us what they want us to hear....deliberately not reporting things they don't want us to hear.  And they use key words that echo across the world.  You don't get that from listening to them but it is fascinating to listen to when put in the form of a montage.

So...to illustrate what I'm talking about...I give you this:

 

So how do you suggest we learn what is going on in the world? If NO media can be trusted, how does anyone know what is happening? 

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1 minute ago, Setton said:

So how do you suggest we learn what is going on in the world? If NO media can be trusted, how does anyone know what is happening? 

Listen to Rush Limbaugh.  That's a good start.

Another great and excellent thing to do is to listen to what people actually say.  For instance...What does CNN say about Trump.  He is constantly demonized for everything.  But...if you listen to some youtube rallies and listen to Trump himself...you get a different picture of the guy altogether.

Another thing you can do is to question why alot.  Why does the media make Villains of Republicans and Conservatives and those on the right...and praise and give passes to those on the left?  

Why does the media tilt left?  Why is the world tilted toward Socialism/Communism?  Why was it so important for Obama to get to Single Payer Healthcare?  Why did Hillary and Obama lie about the destruction of the Embassy in Bengazzi? 

You will not get the answers to any real questions about anything from the media...just a montage of BS.

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When is the last time you heard the media talk about Trumps economy as booming?  They haven't!  Except...a couple of days before the election when...there is a montage of that somewhere as well...that is all they talked about...and they constantly asked the question, why isn't Trump talking about the roaring economy?  

So...why would the media be suddenly concerned about the roaring economy?  Obviously because they wanted him to stop talking about what he was talking about before the election.  

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1 hour ago, joc said:

Listen to Rush Limbaugh.  That's a good start.

So what makes him trustworthy when every other outlet isn't? 

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Another great and excellent thing to do is to listen to what people actually say.  For instance...What does CNN say about Trump.  He is constantly demonized for everything.  But...if you listen to some youtube rallies and listen to Trump himself...you get a different picture of the guy altogether.

I've listened to plenty Trump says for himself. It's why I don't like him. 

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Another thing you can do is to question why alot.  Why does the media make Villains of Republicans and Conservatives and those on the right...and praise and give passes to those on the left?  

Because it sells. Republicans are less popular. 

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Why does the media tilt left? Why is the world tilted toward Socialism/Communism? Why was it so important for Obama to get to Single Payer Healthcare?  

Because, despite attempts to pretend otherwise, we are social animals. We want to help each other. 

1 hour ago, joc said:

When is the last time you heard the media talk about Trumps economy as booming?

Last week? As one of his strengths for the mid terms. 

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  2 hours ago, joc said:

Listen to Rush Limbaugh.  That's a good start.

So what makes him trustworthy when every other outlet isn't? 

He doesn't create a narrative and then report the news in such a way as to support the narrative.

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Another great and excellent thing to do is to listen to what people actually say.  For instance...What does CNN say about Trump.  He is constantly demonized for everything.  But...if you listen to some youtube rallies and listen to Trump himself...you get a different picture of the guy altogether.

I've listened to plenty Trump says for himself. It's why I don't like him. 

Have you listened to a rally...or just clips the media plays?

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Another thing you can do is to question why alot.  Why does the media make Villains of Republicans and Conservatives and those on the right...and praise and give passes to those on the left?  

Because it sells. Republicans are less popular. 

Republicans are vilified because they are against ths agenda of the lwft... and the media is pro-left.

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Why does the media tilt left? Why is the world tilted toward Socialism/Communism? Why was it so important for Obama to get to Single Payer Healthcare?  

Because, despite attempts to pretend otherwise, we are social animals. We want to help each other. 

What Single Payer would actually do is make you totally dependent on the Federal Government for every aspect of your healthcare...and that makes you easy to manipulate. Once you become afraid that voting 'the wrong way'  affects your healthcare I. A negative way...you will vote the...right...way; because you cannot risk not getting that MRI for your wife who has been on the waiting list for 6 weeks.

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When is the last time you heard the media talk about Trumps economy as booming?

Last week? As one of his strengths for the mid terms

You rather disingenuously. Twisted my quote...whish is exactly what the media does...they twist the truth to fit these narrative

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Setton
14 minutes ago, joc said:
 

He doesn't create a narrative and then report the news in such a way as to support the narrative. 

And I only have your word for that. Why should I trust you, a stranger, over institutions with a long standing reputation for excellent journalism? 

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Have you listened to a rally...or just clips the media plays?

Yes I have. It's all empty rhetoric. No substance, no style, just soundbites to please the easily pleased. 

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Republicans are vilified because they are against ths agenda of the lwft... and the media is pro-left. 

There is a difference between criticism and vilification. Republicans are not vilified in the global media. They are criticised, particularly now, because they are in power. 

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What Single Payer would actually do is make you totally dependent on the Federal Government for every aspect of your healthcare...and that makes you easy to manipulate. Once you become afraid that voting 'the wrong way'  affects your healthcare I. A negative way...you will vote the...right...way; because you cannot risk not getting that MRI for your wife who has been on the waiting list for 6 weeks.

As usual, you ignore all the countries that have a functional taxpayer funded health service. I can assure you we don't vote out of fear. 

How would that work anyway? If a party is suggesting denying us healthcare, I'd think everyone could decide for themselves to vote against them anyway. 

ETA: also, national healthcare does not mean you don't have the option of private healthcare. 

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You rather disingenuously. Twisted my quote...whish is exactly what the media does...they twist the truth to fit these narrative

How did I twist your quote? You asked when I last heard the media reference the strong US economy. I heard it last week. 

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22 minutes ago, Setton said:

And I only have your word for that. Why should I trust you, a stranger, over institutions with a long standing reputation for excellent journalism? 

Yes I have. It's all empty rhetoric. No substance, no style, just soundbites to please the easily pleased. 

There is a difference between criticism and vilification. Republicans are not vilified in the global media. They are criticised, particularly now, because they are in power. 

As usual, you ignore all the countries that have a functional taxpayer funded health service. I can assure you we don't vote out of fear. 

How would that work anyway? If a party is suggesting denying us healthcare, I'd think everyone could decide for themselves to vote against them anyway. 

ETA: also, national healthcare does not mean you don't have the option of private healthcare. 

How did I twist your quote? You asked when I last heard the media reference the strong US economy. I heard it last week. 

 

3 hours ago, joc said:

When is the last time you heard the media talk about Trumps economy as booming?  They haven't!  Except...a couple of days before the election when...there is a montage of that somewhere as well...that is all they talked about...and they constantly asked the question, why isn't Trump talking about the roaring economy?  

 

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5 minutes ago, joc said:

 

 

You weren't checking enough media then. The BBC certainly was giving a breakdown of the strengths and weaknesses of his campaign - economy is strong: gives him a boost. But things like the mail bomber may have hurt him. 

Also, it was all over the media when the DOW broke 25000, credited to Trump's policies. 

You might think I'm naïve, but I just think you're a little too cynical. Not everyone is out to get you.

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1 hour ago, Setton said:

You weren't checking enough media then. The BBC certainly was giving a breakdown of the strengths and weaknesses of his campaign - economy is strong: gives him a boost. But things like the mail bomber may have hurt him. 

Also, it was all over the media when the DOW broke 25000, credited to Trump's policies. 

You might think I'm naïve, but I just think you're a little too cynical. Not everyone is out to get you.

Ha! Always remember my friend...just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you!B)

The difference between you and I is that you listen to the Media...while I study the Media. H u u u g e difference.

Oh, almost forgot.  Why you should listen to Rush...because he has been studying the Left a lot longer than the 30 years he has been on the radio with the most listened to broadcast in radio history.

Just to be balanced and fair:  The reason you should  not listen to Rush:  Because he will destroy your trust of the Left.

 

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13 minutes ago, joc said:

Ha! Always remember my friend...just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you!B)

The difference between you and I is that you listen to the Media...while I study the Media. H u u u g e difference.

Oh, almost forgot.  Why you should listen to Rush...because he has been studying the Left a lot longer than the 30 years he has been on the radio with the most listened to broadcast in radio history.

Just to be balanced and fair:  The reason you should  not listen to Rush:  Because he will destroy your trust of the Left.

 

So I should trust one man, with a clear political agenda, over a broad spectrum of respected news outlets that are independent of any political party. 

Sounds a bit more like cultism than study to me. 

And, I'm curious, how do you study the media when you claim not to listen to it? 

ETA: also, paragraph 3 - logical fallacy:appeal to popularity. Just because something is popular, does not make it any more likely to be correct. 

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3 minutes ago, Setton said:

So I should trust one man, with a clear political agenda, over a broad spectrum of respected news outlets that are independent of any political party. 

Sounds a bit more like cultism than study to me. 

And, I'm curious, how do you study the media when you claim not to listen to it? 

ETA: also, paragraph 3 - logical fallacy:appeal to popularity. Just because something is popular, does not make it any more likely to be correct. 

Rush doesn't have a political agenda. His agenda is Conservatism. Not politics.

The media is far from being independent of politics. In fact..they exist solely for that.

Last sentence (Eta)...true...

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Setton
1 minute ago, joc said:

Rush doesn't have a political agenda. His agenda is Conservatism. Not politics.

Seriously? The US is unable to separate such basic issues as healthcare and equality from politics but you can separate a political viewpoint from it. 

You're so backwards it's a wonder you haven't met yourself yet... 

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The media is far from being independent of politics. In fact..they exist solely for that.

In the US, maybe. But there is more to the world than your single country. 

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28 minutes ago, Setton said:

Seriously? The US is unable to separate such basic issues as healthcare and equality from politics but you can separate a political viewpoint from it. 

You're so backwards it's a wonder you haven't met yourself yet... 

In the US, maybe. But there is more to the world than your single country. 

In the rest of the world...healthcare is NOT the prime objective it is in America...in the US it is a tool for nothing..nothing..more than a means toward Socialusm/Communism.

The Media...worldwide is a tool of the Left.

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19 minutes ago, joc said:

In the rest of the world...healthcare is NOT the prime objective it is in America...in the US it is a tool for nothing..nothing..more than a means toward Socialusm/Communism.

In your eyes, I have no doubt of that. 

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The Media...worldwide is a tool of the Left.

Again, I'm sure you believe this. Your beliefs, of course, have no bearing on reality. 

If all media was a tool of the Left, the BBCs political editor wouldn't have been reprimanded for her negative biased coverage of the Labour (i.e. Left wing) leader. 

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4 minutes ago, Setton said:

In your eyes, I have no doubt of that. 

Again, I'm sure you believe this. Your beliefs, of course, have no bearing on reality. 

If all media was a tool of the Left, the BBCs political editor wouldn't have been reprimanded for her negative biased coverage of the Labour (i.e. Left wing) leader. 

Exactly why she was reprimanded Sutton...she dared question the Narrative.

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9 minutes ago, joc said:

Exactly why she was reprimanded Sutton...she dared question the Narrative.

Umm.... She was reprimanded for making stuff up... Not questioning. 

If the BBC was as biased as you believe, she would have been fired for that. 

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