England's poor still dying young

[CrimsonKing]

2 hours ago, Eldorado said:

Our NHS is the international disgrace it has become because it has been deliberately underfunded by HM Gov for the last eight years.

For those interested.... from the US of A.  Home of the Brave.

“Scared to go to the Hospital”: Inpatient Experiences with Undesirable Events

Despite over a decade of national attention to the problem of patient safety, as described in To Err is Human and Crossing the Quality Chasm, a recent study estimates that over 440,000 people die every year from preventable medical errors in U.S. hospitals.
As of 2016, preventable medical errors are considered the third leading cause of death in the United States, behind only heart disease and cancer.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5333238/

 

 

I won't make a case for our medical system... 

Hell i can't tell you how many stitches i took outta myself through the years because i wasn't paying $400+ for the visit that took seconds to remove!

[+and-then]

8 hours ago, Essan said:

Me too.  I also have a very low income.  I can't afford takeaways!   Or a car.   Mind, I do manage a bottle of (Aldi) wine a night .....   
 

Is that WRONG?  

[+susieice]

3 hours ago, Eldorado said:

Our NHS is the international disgrace it has become because it has been deliberately underfunded by HM Gov for the last eight years.

For those interested.... from the US of A.  Home of the Brave.

“Scared to go to the Hospital”: Inpatient Experiences with Undesirable Events

Despite over a decade of national attention to the problem of patient safety, as described in To Err is Human and Crossing the Quality Chasm, a recent study estimates that over 440,000 people die every year from preventable medical errors in U.S. hospitals.
As of 2016, preventable medical errors are considered the third leading cause of death in the United States, behind only heart disease and cancer.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5333238/

 

 

And you can add medication errors to this. How many people at home don't know what medications they take, why they take them, what the dosage is or how many times a day they should be taken. I know home health nurses that are starting to quiz their patients at home so they can see if the patient is capable of handling their own medications. I know families who chose assisted living because mom or dad couldn't handle their medications on their own.

Also add how many doctors are specialist and write prescriptions independent of a primary care doctor or other specialist a patient may see. You can get prescriptions for the same thing from 2-3 different doctors. Refer to my second sentence. Know what you take and why so you aren't taking too many heart pills or blood pressure pills or an excess of any medication for whatever your condition is. The same thing can happen in a hospital. Ask questions! If you don't know what it is or what it's for, don't take it until you do. The nurse should tell you what she is giving you and why.

If you pick up your medications at a pharmacy and they don't look right, ask questions. Sometimes a pharmacy will run out of a medication and substitute the same medication from a different manufacturer. The pills will look different. They should tell you this if they need to substitute. If you don't check the pills when you pick them up and you see they don't look right when you get home, don't take them. Call the pharmacy and ask. It's your right to be informed. Ask questions! 

Edited August 1, 2018 by susieice

[acidhead]

On 7/30/2018 at 2:29 AM, Farmer77 said:

Considering what we know about the effects poverty has on the brain, poor education has on food choices and stress has on the body IDK that any level of medical care is going to extend the lives of the poor much beyond where we are now. 

True.

Without looking at the study I'll wager not everybody from there die young.

It is the choices you as an individual make for yourself.

Most choose to follow the herd mentality.  An extra $100 000 per year to each individual would solve nothing. 

[Farmer77]

2 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

Yes it would take time and effort but i guarantee you a family of 4 can eat much healthier and several more servings a week for $60 than the 8-10 dollars for a single meal 7 days a week...

You're absolutely correct. Im not arguing that at all thats why I stressed in one of my previous posts that for folks living day to day it can be more practical to buy fast food. 

For the truly destitute at times finding a lump sum 60 bucks can be near impossible. Those are the folks and moments I was referring to. 

2 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

I know what you'll think,"but you were one person" which is true...but take into consideration how many times i ate and how much that bill produced over a 10 day span and you will see my point,compared to $8-10 dollars 7 days a week just for dinner!

Nah man youre not wrong, when my health was at its worst we had 6 dollars a day budgeted for food and we made it through by purchasing bulk carbs and clearance meats and whatever else the 99c only store had. 

Most of the time. There were many end of payperiod type days though where that lump sum wasn't to be found. 

 

[Nnicolette]

On 7/30/2018 at 7:26 AM, seanjo said:

Poor people can afford to live healthily, as I said fresh veg in supermarkets is cheaper than a McDonalds and you get more than one meal out of it. They just choose to shove crap into their mouths and bodies. So do I by the way, but it's my fault, not anybody else's.

How ignorant. You think poor people choose to eat poorly? Why would you assume that? You actually think fresh groceries are cheaper than McDonald's too?  when is the last time you went grocery shopping? I admit most people's diets disgust me and it's definitely because they are conditioned to the junk. Personally it doesn't feel good to me to eat junk so I don't but I sure do spend a lot on groceries that way... I think the problem here is our food production. It's hard to find things made out of actual food that aren't mostly corn syrup anymore. People with the intelligence to discern the difference seem uncommon, I often see a whole lot of confusion about what even is healthy to eat. And people really dont seem to know. Its amazing how many think diet crap with fake sugar is actually good for you for example. Education is key as well as the massive amount of poison and crud marketed as food. But food isn' the only reason poor people would be unhealthy, more like living factors. Have you ever been on minimum wage? It' not enough to pay the rent let alone eat or go to the doctor. Long work hours lots of stress and slave like conditions aren't exactly conducive to good health. Then you toss in the amount of drugs people are on I'm assuming to escape this reality and it' not a mystery.

Edited August 1, 2018 by Nnicolette

[Nnicolette]

7 hours ago, acidhead said:

True.

Without looking at the study I'll wager not everybody from there die young.

It is the choices you as an individual make for yourself.

Most choose to follow the herd mentality.  An extra $100 000 per year to each individual would solve nothing. 

It would solve nothing if thats the choice you make for yourself... but it would be pretty idiotic to think that wouldn't improve a person's living conditions. It' crazy how out of touch people can be with the struggles others lives are dictated by. 

[LightAngel]

A friend of my Mother died when she was only 38, and she was a health freak!

There are no guarantees.

I think a healthy mind is the best, because your life finds a natural balance that way.

[Setton]

4 hours ago, NicoletteS said:

 You actually think fresh groceries are cheaper than McDonald's too?  

Sorry but he is right there. McDonald's quarter pounder and fries is £4.70 each so £18.80 for a family of 4.

I can buy 500g lean mince for £3.50, nice bread buns for 20p each and potatoes for around £1 per kilo. Throw in some salad (<£1), seasoning and maybe some ketchup and you've got the same thing but healthier for a grand total of about £6 for 4 people. And some potatoes left over for future meals. 

[Essan]

Assuming you go for the cheaper options, you could buy (roughly speaking):

Bag of pasta £1
Bag of rice £1
2 x 5kg of potatoes £3.50
3 x 500g mince £7.50
2 small Chickens £5
Bag frozen peas £1
Bag carrots 50p
Bag onions 50p
Mushrooms £1
2 x tin baked beans 50p
2 x tin kidney beans £1
3 x tin tomatoes £1
400g Cheese £2.50
"Cooking" bacon £1
spices etc £2.50
Tomato paste 50p

Total: £30

(depending on where you shop, some items may be a little more, others a little less)

If you can't manage at least  7 hearty meals* for a family of 4 (2 adults and 2 children) out of that, you can't cook!  


* ie cottage pie, pasta & mince, chilli con carne, cheese & potato pie with bacon and beans (a personal low cost favourite), roast chicken, chicken curry,  cheesy pasta and mushrooms with leftover chicken and bacon.  And a  thick chicken broth from the bones and leftover veg makes it 8!   Which brings it down to less than £1 per person per meal.

[Eldorado]

Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed. -- Herman Melville