Megaliths as open air universities

[edenlog]

"In the Old Kingdom of Egypt, long before the dynastic period, many huge stone pyramids were built at tremendous labour. They all acted in unison as component parts of a giant, sprawling, open air university for teaching navigation, the size of the Earth and how to grid reference the globe mathematically for accurate positional plotting at sea."

"The Great Pyramid, symbolically at least, incorporated a second navigational system into its base perimeter. Although the length of the Great Pyramid is literally 756', if this length was increased by a mere 3" the entire "English mile" system of navigation would be encoded. Therefore, two circumnavigations of the pyramid would equate to 6050' for 1-minute of arc.  In other words: 6050' X 60 = 1-degree of arc ( 363000') ... X 360 = 130680000' = 24750 English miles of 5280'. By this reading the diameter of the Earth was 7920-miles, whereas the circumference was 7920 leagues of 16500' each."

He also states

"Although there was no literal capstone, one was mathematically inferred by the spot above the pyramid where lines running up the faces would intersect. This aspect preserved the PHI (1 : 1.6180339) & PI (1: 3.1416) ratio codes stringently in-built into the pyramid's dimensions. However, it was far more important to create a top-floor, surveying platform for ongoing use in setting out additional pyramid complexes, to the South especially."

He goes into detail, based of of 20 years as a surveyor, into many ancient sites postulating the theory of worldwide navigation with megaliths being open air universities for teaching said navigational methods.

"During the course of this study there will be constant reference and comparison to the pyramids of the Giza Plateau, as everything found in the Weights, Volumes and Measurement Standards of Mediterranean nations has a pedigree back to these magnificent structures. The length increments of each nation mentioned herein are perfectly divisible into the dimensions of the pyramids, whether we're talking about Greek feet, Roman feet, Assyrian cubits, Hebrew cubits or the ancient increments of Europe. The Giza Plateau, as well as other centres around Egypt, once represented the international Bureau of Standards." http://www.celticnz.co.nz/articles.html

 

[Essan]

Except the English mile only became established as being 5,280 feet in the Weights and Measures Act of 1593.  So no structure built before then can incorporate any measurements equating to a mile of that length.  Unless the builders used a time machine  

The old English mile was usually 5,000ft

[edenlog]

16 minutes ago, Essan said:

Except the English mile only became established as being 5,280 feet in the Weights and Measures Act of 1593.  So no structure built before then can incorporate any measurements equating to a mile of that length.  Unless the builders used a time machine  

The old English mile was usually 5,000ft

"The ancient systems were based upon the modern day "inch" and "foot" and all varying expressions of ancient "feet" or "cubits", "miles", etc., used by the cousin nations were in very direct ratio to each other. These inter-relating and trading nations were in possession of a singular and universal, shared system of metrology, which incorporated a wide range of highly specialised, factorable numbers to describe such things as the equatorial size of the Earth, principles of navigation at sea or on land, general principles of surveying and astronomical cycle values for maintaining a highly accurate lunisolar calendar."

Edited August 4, 2018 by edenlog

[Essan]

So how did they know what the modern day inch and foot would be?        And why English?   Why not Scottish or Welsh?  

[Wistman]

44 minutes ago, edenlog said:

"In the Old Kingdom of Egypt, long before the dynastic period, many huge stone pyramids were built at tremendous labour. They all acted in unison as component parts of a giant, sprawling, open air university for teaching navigation, the size of the Earth and how to grid reference the globe mathematically for accurate positional plotting at sea."

"The Great Pyramid, symbolically at least, incorporated a second navigational system into its base perimeter. Although the length of the Great Pyramid is literally 756', if this length was increased by a mere 3" the entire "English mile" system of navigation would be encoded. Therefore, two circumnavigations of the pyramid would equate to 6050' for 1-minute of arc.  In other words: 6050' X 60 = 1-degree of arc ( 363000') ... X 360 = 130680000' = 24750 English miles of 5280'. By this reading the diameter of the Earth was 7920-miles, whereas the circumference was 7920 leagues of 16500' each."

He also states

"Although there was no literal capstone, one was mathematically inferred by the spot above the pyramid where lines running up the faces would intersect. This aspect preserved the PHI (1 : 1.6180339) & PI (1: 3.1416) ratio codes stringently in-built into the pyramid's dimensions. However, it was far more important to create a top-floor, surveying platform for ongoing use in setting out additional pyramid complexes, to the South especially."

He goes into detail, based of of 20 years as a surveyor, into many ancient sites postulating the theory of worldwide navigation with megaliths being open air universities for teaching said navigational methods.

"During the course of this study there will be constant reference and comparison to the pyramids of the Giza Plateau, as everything found in the Weights, Volumes and Measurement Standards of Mediterranean nations has a pedigree back to these magnificent structures. The length increments of each nation mentioned herein are perfectly divisible into the dimensions of the pyramids, whether we're talking about Greek feet, Roman feet, Assyrian cubits, Hebrew cubits or the ancient increments of Europe. The Giza Plateau, as well as other centres around Egypt, once represented the international Bureau of Standards." http://www.celticnz.co.nz/articles.html

 

WIth all due respect, the opening phrase I've highlighted is mighty curious and self-contradictory.  You really have to choose one or the other:  Old Kingdom, or pre-dynastic.  And your link, by the way, brings me to a contents table with a long list of articles.  Couldn't you be more precise in your referencing? 

Is this, by any chance, Masonic esoteric stuff?  There's a lot of that going around this season it seems to me.

[edenlog]

17 minutes ago, Essan said:

So how did they know what the modern day inch and foot would be?        And why English?   Why not Scottish or Welsh?  

They didn't know modern measurements, I think he is saying everything can be traced back to what we call a foot and inch, it also could be specific to that site he was studying. There is a lengthy article about ancient measureshttp://www.celticnz.co.nz/Weights_Measures_Volumes/Weights_Measures.htm

[edenlog]

5 minutes ago, The Wistman said:

WIth all due respect, the opening phrase I've highlighted is mighty curious and self-contradictory.  You really have to choose one or the other:  Old Kingdom, or pre-dynastic.  And your link, by the way, brings me to a contents table with a long list of articles.  Couldn't you be more precise in your referencing? 

Is this, by any chance, Masonic esoteric stuff?  There's a lot of that going around this season it seems to me.

This guy is apparently a surveyor not a historian, the articles are him demonstrating his hypotheses from many ancient sites and artifacts including nazca lines, stonehenge, Costa Rica stone balls, etc.  Doesn't seem to be esoteric stuff, just many examples to support his hypotheses of open air universities for teaching world wide navigation

[Trelane]

@edenlog, what is the purpose of this thread? Do you support the hypothesis ? What are your thoughts?

 

[edenlog]

12 minutes ago, Trelane said:

@edenlog, what is the purpose of this thread? Do you support the hypothesis ? What are your thoughts?

 

The purpose is to make known another alternative hypotheses of ancient megalithic structures.  I support the guys dedication and enthusiasm, I think its fun to imagine a world where human beings used celestial bodies as the main science go to, and that ancients traveled the world.  I think that schools for navigation makes more sense than graveyards, the complexity of these structures and the task of building then do not just happen overnight, so I think its safe to say some intelligence went into their production, and the builders were trying to accomplish a goal equal to the magnitude of building and planning of these megaliths.

[Jarocal]

33 minutes ago, edenlog said:

The purpose is to make known another alternative hypotheses of ancient megalithic structures.  I support the guys dedication and enthusiasm, I think its fun to imagine a world where human beings used celestial bodies as the main science go to, and that ancients traveled the world.  I think that schools for navigation makes more sense than graveyards, the complexity of these structures and the task of building then do not just happen overnight, so I think its safe to say some intelligence went into their production, and the builders were trying to accomplish a goal equal to the magnitude of building and planning of these megaliths.

Considering European "discoverers" found native populations in every place they explored. One need not imagine that ancient populations traveled extensively. If your dreaming of some super ancient trade network globally, err no...

[edenlog]

12 minutes ago, Jarocal said:

Considering European "discoverers" found native populations in every place they explored. One need not imagine that ancient populations traveled extensively. If your dreaming of some super ancient trade network globally, err no...

I do not dismiss an ancient trade network because I do not now all the facts of ancient man. I see what you are saying, but allow me to make up my own mind please.

[jaylemurph]

3 hours ago, edenlog said:

This guy is apparently a surveyor not a historian, the articles are him demonstrating his hypotheses from many ancient sites and artifacts including nazca lines, stonehenge, Costa Rica stone balls, etc.  Doesn't seem to be esoteric stuff, just many examples to support his hypotheses of open air universities for teaching world wide navigation

...so, of course, you fall all over yourself to believe his writing on something he has no expertise in. Advertisers must love you.

But, seriously, what's your hook here? Why buy this malarkey and then try to peddle it to us? 

--Jaylemurph

[edenlog]

2 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

...so, of course, you fall all over yourself to believe his writing on something he has no expertise in. Advertisers must love you.

But, seriously, what's your hook here? Why buy this malarkey and then try to peddle it to us? 

--Jaylemurph

Who said anything about belief?

 His expertise is measurements not history,  what does this have to do with the evidence he presented? He is not selling you history books, he is selling you megalith measurements and presenting a hypothesis of open air universities for world wide navigation using his field of expertise, i.e measurements. Have you checked out his evidence?

I thought forums were for discussing topics? 

[Kenemet]

5 hours ago, edenlog said:

"In the Old Kingdom of Egypt, long before the dynastic period, many huge stone pyramids were built at tremendous labour. They all acted in unison as component parts of a giant, sprawling, open air university for teaching navigation, the size of the Earth and how to grid reference the globe mathematically for accurate positional plotting at sea.""

Then why didn't Egypt become a major sea power?  Why didn't they actually have any fleets that hit the Mediterranean before the New Kingdom?  And why weren't their maps accurate?

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The Great Pyramid, symbolically at least, incorporated a second navigational system into its base perimeter. Although the length of the Great Pyramid is literally 756', if this length was increased by a mere 3" the entire "English mile" system of navigation would be encoded. Therefore, two circumnavigations of the pyramid would equate to 6050' for 1-minute of arc.  In other words: 6050' X 60 = 1-degree of arc ( 363000') ... X 360 = 130680000' = 24750 English miles of 5280'. By this reading the diameter of the Earth was 7920-miles, whereas the circumference was 7920 leagues of 16500' each."

Why didn't their maps include accurate measures of distances?  And why did it take them until the time of the Ptolemys (500 BC) to find out that the Earth was round?

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"Although there was no literal capstone, one was mathematically inferred by the spot above the pyramid where lines running up the faces would intersect. This aspect preserved the PHI (1 : 1.6180339) & PI (1: 3.1416) ratio codes stringently in-built into the pyramid's dimensions. However, it was far more important to create a top-floor, surveying platform for ongoing use in setting out additional pyramid complexes, to the South especially."

 

And how did they get on top of that steep, slippery slope with all their gear?  There's no steps there (and by the way, the capstone was reported in earlier times.)

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He goes into detail, based of of 20 years as a surveyor, into many ancient sites postulating the theory of worldwide navigation with megaliths being open air universities for teaching said navigational methods.

He apparently has a poor grasp of history and culture.  The megaliths he mentions vary in size and quality, and if they'd been done by a single central culture that exchanged knowledge, we would see language and symbols and so forth brought into these cultures from the original.  

Also... we have cubit rulers from Egypt, and we know they vary in length (based on the arm of whoever was determining the measure standard at the time.)

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"During the course of this study there will be constant reference and comparison to the pyramids of the Giza Plateau, as everything found in the Weights, Volumes and Measurement Standards of Mediterranean nations has a pedigree back to these magnificent structures. The length increments of each nation mentioned herein are perfectly divisible into the dimensions of the pyramids, whether we're talking about Greek feet, Roman feet, Assyrian cubits, Hebrew cubits or the ancient increments of Europe. The Giza Plateau, as well as other centres around Egypt, once represented the international Bureau of Standards." http://www.celticnz.co.nz/articles.html

Each of the cultures cited don't mention this, and if they were standards then why aren't they... standard?

 

[Kenemet]

28 minutes ago, edenlog said:

Who said anything about belief?

 His expertise is measurements not history,  what does this have to do with the evidence he presented? He is not selling you history books, he is selling you megalith measurements and presenting a hypothesis of open air universities for world wide navigation using his field of expertise, i.e measurements. Have you checked out his evidence?

I thought forums were for discussing topics? 

Because the time differences.  If someone says "well, the Algonquins got the 'inch' measurement from the Egyptian Pyramid Inch" then you can point out that:

• the Egyptians didn't have an inch measurement
• The Algonquins didn't show up until 4,000 years after the pyramids
• The "pyramid inch" was hidden inside a pyramid and not seen until the 1800's
• There's no trace of Algonquins in Egypt and vice-versa.

You can say that the Americans got the inch from the English and prove it all rather neatly, particularly with the time elements and language elements.  But you can't just hook together two cultures that are thousands of years apart in space and time and say they had the same weights and measurement standards - because each was ignorant of the other and therefore had no knowledge of the other.

[edenlog]

16 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Then why didn't Egypt become a major sea power?  Why didn't they actually have any fleets that hit the Mediterranean before the New Kingdom?  And why weren't their maps accurate?

Why didn't their maps include accurate measures of distances?  And why did it take them until the time of the Ptolemys (500 BC) to find out that the Earth was round?

And how did they get on top of that steep, slippery slope with all their gear?  There's no steps there (and by the way, the capstone was reported in earlier times.)

He apparently has a poor grasp of history and culture.  The megaliths he mentions vary in size and quality, and if they'd been done by a single central culture that exchanged knowledge, we would see language and symbols and so forth brought into these cultures from the original.  

Also... we have cubit rulers from Egypt, and we know they vary in length (based on the arm of whoever was determining the measure standard at the time.)

Each of the cultures cited don't mention this, and if they were standards then why aren't they... standard?

 

Good question, he says "This pyramid, undoubtedly, provided stair or ladder access to the top, either internally or externally. It's also probable that there was access to the top of the Khafre Pyramid as well for taking sighting fixes and training students in triangulation mathematics.To the right is a depiction of surveying geometry, based upon a 64-square calculating matrix, and something along these lines might have once adorned the flat floor atop the Great Pyramid during the remote epoch when it served as Egypt's pre-eminent surveying benchmark."

He compares it to one found in Nazca.  

"It seems very obvious by the weight of evidence that the 3 main pyramids of the Giza Plateau were built long before the dynastic Egyptians and that the very old, water-weathered Sphinx acted as the surveying platform or primary benchmark from which they were laid out....Clearly, the earlier pure sciences, devoted to navigation, cyclic astronomy and calendar calculation methods had degenerated into a backwards-religion, which served only to raise the power, influence and wealth of the priest-class, as well as perpetuate the necropolis-related businesses spawned by them."

He does give some evidence of similar depictions of artifacts, in the case of nazca, he says the bodies found there were redhead (he gives numerous pictures) and probably came from europe. Though there is the possibility of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_tradition leaving us with little evidence besides the structures themself.

Apparently pyramids are the standard for these cultures and base their systems off of it, he explains (using measurements which he shows) that they can all be factored into the measurements of the pyramids.  

 

 

[edenlog]

42 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Because the time differences.  If someone says "well, the Algonquins got the 'inch' measurement from the Egyptian Pyramid Inch" then you can point out that:

• the Egyptians didn't have an inch measurement
• The Algonquins didn't show up until 4,000 years after the pyramids
• The "pyramid inch" was hidden inside a pyramid and not seen until the 1800's
• There's no trace of Algonquins in Egypt and vice-versa.

You can say that the Americans got the inch from the English and prove it all rather neatly, particularly with the time elements and language elements.  But you can't just hook together two cultures that are thousands of years apart in space and time and say they had the same weights and measurement standards - because each was ignorant of the other and therefore had no knowledge of the other.

I agree, some of his decoding is along the lines of:

"The commonly known and preserved measurements of ancient Europe, despite their wide variety, are a part of a single and widely versatile integrated mathematical system, with traceable root origins and pedigrees extending back to Egypt and its former Caucasoid ethnicity peoples, who occupied Egypt and surrounding countries for many thousands of years. Skeletons, mummies, busts, etc., of the forebears to the Nordic Europeans, are still found there in profusion beneath the desert sands, attesting to their long occupation of the region.

Let us now look at the mathematical fingerprints of but one of the many European nations, the Swedish, and demonstrate how their oldest known Weights, Measures and Volumes standards have a direct pedigree to the Great Pyramid of Egypt or to its slightly smaller counterparts, the Khafre Pyramid, which was Egypt's Pyramid of the Moon, and Menkaure Pyramid.

SAVED BY AN INCH

It's very important to realise that the British Standard inch is not British at all, but has a very ancient pedigree back to the Eastern Mediterranean and beyond to yet more ancient Caucasian homelands. The so-called British Standard inch became the basis of many ancient "cubits" or "foot" measurements, ranging from Northern India to Egypt or wherever the forebears to the European nations settled and established long-term civilisations."

He goes into some mathematical formulas and says this:

"It is significant that one ancient means for easily remembering the equatorial size of the Earth was to apply the formula:12 x 12 x 12 x 12 x 1.2 = 24883.2-miles. If navigating by the Swedish-Roman-Greek method, those miles would be 5250 feet each (6&7 number family). If navigating by the British method, those miles would be 5280 feet each (11 number family). The length of the Great Pyramid is 756 British feet or 777.6 Swedish feet. If the Earth is considered, by the above formula, to be 24883.2-miles in equatorial circumference, then 777.6-miles would represent 1/32nd segment. Therefore, one of the inbuilt codes of the Great Pyramid, extractable by use of a Swedish foot of 11.6666-inches (representing miles), would be to consider that 1 circumnavigation of the Pyramid mnemonically identified the distance value for 1/8th of the equatorial circumference of the Earth or 45-degrees of arc." http://www.celticnz.co.nz/VikingNavigation.htm

This is only a small portion of some of his reasonings.

Edited August 4, 2018 by edenlog

[Piney]

22 hours ago, edenlog said:

I do not dismiss an ancient trade network because I do not now all the facts of ancient man. I see what you are saying, but allow me to make up my own mind please.

There was a environmental upheaval in North and South America after 1492 called the "Columbian Exchange". 2/3rds of the population died off from foreign diseases and 1/4 of the flora and fauna went extinct and was replaced by invasive species negating any world wide trade network prior to Columbus. 

[Piney]

20 hours ago, edenlog said:

Who said anything about belief?

 His expertise is measurements not history

Which means he knows nothing about anthropology and archaeology.

20 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Because the time differences.  If someone says "well, the Algonquins got the 'inch' measurement from the Egyptian Pyramid Inch" then you can point out that:

•  

"knemen"   A "hand" is our system of measurement.  

[edenlog]

45 minutes ago, Piney said:

Which means he knows nothing about anthropology and archaeology.

But he does know measurements which is what he bases he claim off of

 

56 minutes ago, Piney said:

There was a environmental upheaval in North and South America after 1492 called the "Columbian Exchange". 2/3rds of the population died off from foreign diseases and 1/4 of the flora and fauna went extinct and was replaced by invasive species negating any world wide trade network prior to Columbus. 

 Yes but apparently earth was one large land mass before, and bird migration routes do  the same thing in till the environments balance it out and creatures develop immunities, this, to me, just tells me that it has been a while  any such trade routes existed-if it existed. Whats compelling about his work is the measurements systems are seemingly related.  That or ancients made astronomy their main science, as there are numerous examples of megaliths (and other artifacts) aligned to astronomical phenomena or used to keep track of celestial motions, and coincidentally they all were able to create roughly the same systems as they were all watching the same phenomena 

[Piney]

Just now, edenlog said:

 Yes but apparently earth was one large land mass before, and bird migration routes do  the same thing in till the environments balance it out and creatures develop immunities, this, to me, just tells me that it has been a while  any such trade routes existed-if it existed. Whats compelling about his work is the measurements systems are seemingly related.  That or ancients made astronomy their main science, as there are numerous examples of megaliths (and other artifacts) aligned to astronomical phenomena or used to keep track of celestial motions, and coincidentally they all were able to create roughly the same systems as they were all watching the same phenomena 

One large land mass long before humans evolved. and there were no bird migration routes between North America and Europe or Africa.

My people still practice tracking star alignments to set ceremony dates. We use a stick, string and staying up all night watching. Accurate astronomical alignments aren't about being advanced. Just being patient and observant. 

[edenlog]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

One large land mass long before humans evolved. and there were no bird migration routes between North America and Europe or Africa.

My people still practice tracking star alignments to set ceremony dates. We use a stick, string and staying up all night watching. Accurate astronomical alignments aren't about being advanced. Just being patient and observant. 

I agree, about the astronomical measurements, but there are still evidence of this being the main science of the ancients, as you said, seemingly basic instruments can work, so why the effort to carve them in stone and create (for example) pyramids aligned to such phenomena.  I am still under the impression that they did these creations with a purpose and that purpose is equal to or greater than the effort required to build such things. 

The researcher says:

"When Don Mariano Edward Rivbro (Director of the National Museum of Peru) and Juan Diego de Tschudi (Member of various scientific societies in Europe and America) wrote the book Antigüedades Peruanas (Peruvian Antiquities) in 1850, they stated:

'It is worthy of note that among the clubs there was one, the form of which is completely identical with that which is used by the inhabitants of New Zealand and other islands of the Pacific' (see Peruvian Antiquities, page 212).

Explanation of picture above: (1). Greenstone jade club from New Zealand; (2). Identical design club from Peru; (3). The same design of club shown amongst the hieroglyphs on an Egyptian wall panel of Ramassees II dispensing with his enemies. The same stone club design is found in Celtic graves of Germany, but in New Zealand could be fabricated from either stone, wood or whalebone."

He also says:

"In his 1988 article, Corpus des inscriptions runiques d'Amérique du Sud (Body of Runic Inscriptions of South America) , Jacques de Mahieu displays photos and provides commentary about the wide distribution of pre-Columbian, Runic writing throughout South America (See: Belgian journal Kadath, no. 68, pp. 11 - 42; article about Viking (hyperborean) contacts in South America.

In the panels opposite are two examples of runes, out of many found in South America.

(A). Runes on the 'coiffure' of a statue from San Augustin, Columbia.

(B). Runes found on a Nazca urn, Peru, followed by their 'normalization' from an abbreviated form into separated individual letters.

There is very clear evidence of Pre-Columbian Runic writing from the Eastern seaboard of the United States to inland states like Minnesota and Oklahoma and then to the southernmost countries of South America. Rather than deal with the extant evidence, Jacques de Mahieu's work has been "all-too-conveniently" vilified on the basis that he was a Vichy French collaborator during WWII. The authenticity of the North American runes, as well as European ogam writing found there, is beyond question and the South American Runic evidence is also deserving of unbiased scholarly investigation. In Paraguay alone some sixty-one rock inscriptions have been identified as Viking Runes (Viking alphabet) by the Runologist Dr. Hermann Munk, who has stated that the Paraguayan sites are a uniquely important legacy of Viking culture.

A lengthy Phoenician script was found in a remote area of Brazil in the 19th century. Amongst many American artefacts found to be bearing ancient Semitic writing is a large stone dish that was located on the shores of Lake Titicaca in Bolivia. It is housed at a minor La Paz museum and is labeled La Fuente Magna (See: http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_8.htm ) 
So many clearly decipherable, ancient Mediterranean-European scripts have now been located in the Americas, photographed and subjected to expert scrutiny, that their existence, wide distribution or generally accepted translations should never be in dispute"

[Kenemet]

21 hours ago, edenlog said:

I agree, some of his decoding is along the lines of:"The commonly known and preserved measurements of ancient Europe, despite their wide variety, are a part of a single and widely versatile integrated mathematical system, with traceable root origins and pedigrees extending back to Egypt and its former Caucasoid ethnicity peoples, who occupied Egypt and surrounding countries for many thousands of years. Skeletons, mummies, busts, etc., of the forebears to the Nordic Europeans, are still found there in profusion beneath the desert sands, attesting to their long occupation of the region.

This bothers me, because it smacks of nationalist revisionism, particularly in reference to the "Nordic Europeans."  It's certainly not a correct viewpoint.

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It's very important to realise that the British Standard inch is not British at all, but has a very ancient pedigree back to the Eastern Mediterranean and beyond to yet more ancient Caucasian homelands. The so-called British Standard inch became the basis of many ancient "cubits" or "foot" measurements, ranging from Northern India to Egypt or wherever the forebears to the European nations settled and established long-term civilisations."

It's far more likely that it's people using the handiest measurement they have to hand... an inch is about the length of the first joint of your thumb, for example.  Finger widths were also used, along with palms and other common references.  If someone asks you how long something is and you don't have a nice standard tape measure, a response like "that horse is sixteen hands high" is a decent metric that everyone can understand.

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HIt is significant that one ancient means for easily remembering the equatorial size of the Earth was to apply the formula:12 x 12 x 12 x 12 x 1.2 = 24883.2-miles. If navigating by the Swedish-Roman-Greek method, those miles would be 5250 feet each (6&7 number family). If navigating by the British method, those miles would be 5280 feet each (11 number family). The length of the Great Pyramid is 756 British feet or 777.6 Swedish feet. If the Earth is considered, by the above formula, to be 24883.2-miles in equatorial circumference, then 777.6-miles would represent 1/32nd segment. Therefore, one of the inbuilt codes of the Great Pyramid, extractable by use of a Swedish foot of 11.6666-inches (representing miles), would be to consider that 1 circumnavigation of the Pyramid mnemonically identified the distance value for 1/8th of the equatorial circumference of the Earth or 45-degrees of arc." http://www.celticnz.co.nz/VikingNavigation.htm

This is only a small portion of some of his reasonings.

There's no evidence that they knew the Earth was a globe before the time of Hero of Alexander.  And, in fact, their astronomy was so bad that we can't identify many of their constellations from the star tables they left us (unlike the Babylonians, who did leave very precise measurements of the sky.

And we can see from their measuring rods that they didn't use any of the measurements cited by that page.

 

[Piney]

2 hours ago, edenlog said:

I agree, about the astronomical measurements, but there are still evidence of this being the main science of the ancients, as you said, seemingly basic instruments can work, so why the effort to carve them in stone and create (for example) pyramids aligned to such phenomena.  I am still under the impression that they did these creations with a purpose and that purpose is equal to or greater than the effort required to build such things. 

The researcher says:

"When Don Mariano Edward Rivbro (Director of the National Museum of Peru) and Juan Diego de Tschudi (Member of various scientific societies in Europe and America) wrote the book Antigüedades Peruanas (Peruvian Antiquities) in 1850, they stated:

'It is worthy of note that among the clubs there was one, the form of which is completely identical with that which is used by the inhabitants of New Zealand and other islands of the Pacific' (see Peruvian Antiquities, page 212).

Explanation of picture above: (1). Greenstone jade club from New Zealand; (2). Identical design club from Peru; (3). The same design of club shown amongst the hieroglyphs on an Egyptian wall panel of Ramassees II dispensing with his enemies. The same stone club design is found in Celtic graves of Germany, but in New Zealand could be fabricated from either stone, wood or whalebone."

He also says:

"In his 1988 article, Corpus des inscriptions runiques d'Amérique du Sud (Body of Runic Inscriptions of South America) , Jacques de Mahieu displays photos and provides commentary about the wide distribution of pre-Columbian, Runic writing throughout South America (See: Belgian journal Kadath, no. 68, pp. 11 - 42; article about Viking (hyperborean) contacts in South America.

In the panels opposite are two examples of runes, out of many found in South America.

(A). Runes on the 'coiffure' of a statue from San Augustin, Columbia.

(B). Runes found on a Nazca urn, Peru, followed by their 'normalization' from an abbreviated form into separated individual letters.

There is very clear evidence of Pre-Columbian Runic writing from the Eastern seaboard of the United States to inland states like Minnesota and Oklahoma and then to the southernmost countries of South America. Rather than deal with the extant evidence, Jacques de Mahieu's work has been "all-too-conveniently" vilified on the basis that he was a Vichy French collaborator during WWII. The authenticity of the North American runes, as well as European ogam writing found there, is beyond question and the South American Runic evidence is also deserving of unbiased scholarly investigation. In Paraguay alone some sixty-one rock inscriptions have been identified as Viking Runes (Viking alphabet) by the Runologist Dr. Hermann Munk, who has stated that the Paraguayan sites are a uniquely important legacy of Viking culture.

A lengthy Phoenician script was found in a remote area of Brazil in the 19th century. Amongst many American artefacts found to be bearing ancient Semitic writing is a large stone dish that was located on the shores of Lake Titicaca in Bolivia. It is housed at a minor La Paz museum and is labeled La Fuente Magna (See: http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_8.htm ) 
So many clearly decipherable, ancient Mediterranean-European scripts have now been located in the Americas, photographed and subjected to expert scrutiny, that their existence, wide distribution or generally accepted translations should never be in dispute"

All this has long been debunked and "mass comparison" of club styles is not "research". 100% of the "runic" inscriptions found in  the Eastern U.S. have been misidentified beed shapers or outright frauds. 

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On 8/5/2018 at 11:48 AM, edenlog said:

I agree, about the astronomical measurements, but there are still evidence of this being the main science of the ancients, as you said, seemingly basic instruments can work, so why the effort to carve them in stone and create (for example) pyramids aligned to such phenomena.  I am still under the impression that they did these creations with a purpose and that purpose is equal to or greater than the effort required to build such things. 

The researcher says:

"When Don Mariano Edward Rivbro (Director of the National Museum of Peru) and Juan Diego de Tschudi (Member of various scientific societies in Europe and America) wrote the book Antigüedades Peruanas (Peruvian Antiquities) in 1850, they stated:

'It is worthy of note that among the clubs there was one, the form of which is completely identical with that which is used by the inhabitants of New Zealand and other islands of the Pacific' (see Peruvian Antiquities, page 212).Explanation of picture above: (1). Greenstone jade club from New Zealand; (2). Identical design club from Peru; (3). The same design of club shown amongst the hieroglyphs on an Egyptian wall panel of Ramassees II dispensing with his enemies. The same stone club design is found in Celtic graves of Germany, but in New Zealand could be fabricated from either stone, wood or whalebone."

They're all variants on the basic shape of a femur.  You can't really make any conclusions about this.  HOWEVER... that's not a 'design of club' for Ramesses II.

That's a hieroglyph of a necklace with a seal (Gardiner S20 - http://www.egyptianhieroglyphs.net/gardiners-sign-list/crowns-dress-staves-etc/ ) and it doesn't say anything about clubbing, etc.

The "authenticity of the runes" in North America is very much in doubt.  In general, they are found in places where someone just "happens" to find it by people who appear to not be real (in other words, no record of them being anywhere at that time) or in multiple different sites and often rather suspiciously new-looking.  Many of the "lost artifacts" were supposedly sent to the Smithsonian to (or by) someone who never worked for the Smithsonian.  The people involved have "degrees" from universities that don't exist.

In the case of both "Jewish" artifacts in the New World and "cuneiform", all cases appear to be modern copies done by people who don't understand the culture or the source (there's lots of "Jewish 10 Commandments" - the problem is that the Jews don't particularly venerate the 10 commandments (to them, those 11 are merely the "table of contents" to the sacred 613 laws.))