Left believes 2018 could be the last Election

[lost_shaman]

51 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

The more I think about it considering the litany of worrying behaviors Trump and his followers have demonstrated I think this time around its probably good that the mainstream is discussing the potential outcomes of such behavior. 

IMO, the Left has been completely over reacting to Trump since election night. That said I have no true problem with free speech or discussions these have always been a hallmark of democracy even when bad, Im so thankfull I didn't live through the civil war era for example (thanking about walking shoulder to shoulder in a line right into a hail of gunfire that you know is coming at any second makes me shutter to imagine). 

 

51 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

I.E New Poll: 43% of Republicans Want to Give Trump the Power to Shut Down Media ….interestingly while the numbers are much larger on the right there is a percentage of the left who feels the same. 

 

I'm a firm believer in the freedom of the Press, but something is different now than at anytime before and that is that now over 90% of the Press including local news agencies are owned and controled by only 5 corperations! Back even 30 years ago this percentage was much lower around maybe 20%. I do believe in Capitalism too, but I think our Monolpoly laws are too lax and not being inforced as often as they should. 

 

51 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

There has been a very concerning push towards totalitarianism from the very folks who historically have stood against such things and we must be vigilant.....although it is admittedly a fine line between vigilance and chicken littleism  

I completely agree. 

Edited August 8, 2018 by lost_shaman

[Farmer77]

30 minutes ago, lost_shaman said:

IMO, the Left has been completely over reacting to Trump since election night

This is actually one of the most frustrating parts of this whole situation. You're right. The childish meltdown after the election has totally made what is and should be treated as legitimate concern for the foundations of our nation seem like more chicken littleism. 

 

31 minutes ago, lost_shaman said:

I'm a firm believer in the freedom of the Press, but something is different now than at anytime before and that is that now over 90% of the Press including local news agencies are owned and controled by only 5 corperations! Back even 30 years ago this percentage was much lower around maybe 20%. I do believe in Capitalism too, but I think our Monolpoly laws are too lax and not being inforced as often as they should. 

 

Again this takes me back to the previous sentence about being frustrated. Much of the rhetoric from Trump and his supporters is actually correct on the surface. Trump has a true skill when it comes to taking a piece of information and bastardizing the hell out of it to serve his own purposes however. 

Youre absolutely correct that our media needs some work, and youre absolutely correct about them being corporate owned, so when Trump rails against the media there is some truth to it. However that piece of truth in no way changes the realities that they are reporting on, which is what Trump and company are desperately trying to make seem real. 

 

[lost_shaman]

3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Youre absolutely correct that our media needs some work, and youre absolutely correct about them being corporate owned, so when Trump rails against the media there is some truth to it. However that piece of truth in no way changes the realities that they are reporting on, which is what Trump and company are desperately trying to make seem real. 

A research peice about a month ago said 92% of news reporting on the President was negative. I believe this is the highest percentage of negative reporting on a President in US history or at least since it's been tracked. That seems pretty unfair if you ask me. I bet you if you negated Fox news that percentage would be 99%. 

3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

what is and should be treated as legitimate concern for the foundations of our nation

What "legitimate concern for the foundations of our nation" are you talking about? I honestly don't see that.

Edited August 8, 2018 by lost_shaman

[Farmer77]

Just now, lost_shaman said:

A research peice about a month ago said 92% of new reporting on the President was negative. I believe this is the highest percentage of negative reporting on a President in US history or at least since it's been tracked. That seems pretty unfair if you ask me. I bet you if you negated Fox news that percentage would be 99%. 

It is negative but rightfully so. I think where the cultural warriors in this nation (on both sides) get themselves and all of us into trouble is when we take a commonly held preconceived notion as gospel and dont bother to examine new information. 

I truly believe this is the case here. The media was politically biased before without doubt, but the things happening in Washington now are so absurd, out of the norm and in many cases just flat out corrupt that the negative stories are appropriate. 

I made the point in another thread but the recent economic news is a great example. The MSM absolutely was talking about it and the headline on cnn.com was even (paraphrased) "Trump is right he deserves credit for economy" ….and then he did something stupid like tweeting that his campaign actually did collude with Russia or his racist attack on Lebron James.

Literally he is stealing the positive headlines from himself. 

6 minutes ago, lost_shaman said:

What "legitimate concern for the foundations of our nation" are you talking about? I honestly don't see that.

I think the most basic answer is to that is the very real possibility that the POTUS or those he surrounds himself with are compromised by the foreign nation which interfered in our elections and are still attempting to do so. Even if you love Trump there should be a wary eye cast at the entanglements he and those he has surrounded himself with have with Russian money. We know Page claimed to be an advisor to the Kremlin, we know Manafort was in debt to Russian oligarchs when he took the campaign manager job pro bono and we know that Eric Trump has bragged of his family's 100million dollar line of credit in Russia and we know Donald refused to let us see his tax returns. All of that in and of itself should be enough for everyone to want to see the investigation thoroughly completed. 

As far as actual actions towards eroding the foundations of our nation I start with his assault on the free press and on truth as a whole. Regardless of political leanings encouraging people to only listen to the dear leader is disturbing. The fact that SO MANY are willing to gobble that garbage up and run with it is terrifying if a predictable result after 2+ years of anti media propaganda. Where will our country be without a free press? Do we really want state approved media?

Move onto law enforcement. He encouraged police to be more violent in arresting their perps (remember all the riots over that very thing?) while working overtime to convince Americans that the highest law enforcement officers in the land are all political operatives. He has even attacked the judiciary with tweets about "so called judges" and claiming a judge of Mexican descent couldn't appropriately do his job.  They have actively worked to erode the checks and balances which have kept this nation free. Its great hyperbole for someone worried about keeping themselves or their people in power but what next? Do you want the next liberal president to be above the checks and balances? 

Race. Muslim ban , MS-13 panic, rapists from mexico, fine nazis in Charlottesville etc.  I dont know if Trump is racist or not (although his past comments definitely make me lean one way) but he is working overtime to court the frail egos and ideologies of those who have been rightly pushed to the fringe by a civilized population.  This one is obviously somewhat more subjective however the folks who are meant to hear the message on both sides are definitely hearing it which has and will continue to lead to problems. 

While the social effects of such behavior are certainly hard to quantify in the short term it is doubtless there will be long term ramifications. We know Russia has a goal of the balkanization of America and whether intentionally or not Trump is absolutely working towards that goal through his constant drive for division.  

 

[godnodog]

On 04/08/2018 at 1:26 PM, lost_shaman said:

Last night on Real Time with Bill Maher, who is a very popular Comedian and leftist pundit on HBO with a very large U.S. audience and widely adored by left wing progressives had a guest on his show, Malcolm Nance author of the book "The Plot to destroy Democracy" who Maher called a great Patriot, and during their opening conversation one of the things they discussed was that if the Left loses the 2018 Mid-terms that this will be the last Election held in the United States! They truly believe that the Republicans and President Trump are determined to make President Trump a U.S. dictator determined to rule the World along with President Putin in Moscow and over throw the Governments in Europe to form a two State Autocratic world Government. 

Malcolm claimed that Russia's first step to destroy Americas constitution is to elect a President, and then he said that's exactly what they had done was to elect a U.S. President an obvious reference to President Trump. Maher then adds that the last two Presidents elected lost the popular vote, of course "we" don't use the popular vote to elect Presidents "we" use the electoral college system but never mind this FACT or that Maher's statement was factually incorrect. The Left is willing to ignore "our" constitution if they lose, but I digress. Then they go on to discuss the precieved attacks on the U.S. intelligence agencies and and Maher says they are not power hungry, but he wishes they were which is a direct infference that he wishes they would undertake a Coup against our current Administration! Then they discuss the current U.S. reaction to Russia (which is hysteria on the Left) and Maher says he think we are currently under reacting to Russia ( a Nation with a GDP roughly the same as the State of Texas is obviously the biggest boogeyman on Earth). Malcolm then agrees quoting George Washington saying "we are out gunned, out manned, out numbered, out planned, we need to make an all out stand". He goes on to say that is "where we are we are under attack and this election that's coming up, this could be the last one as we know it if we lose it" talking about the Democrats losing the Mid-term elections and failing to re-take the House and Senate. 

Maher then goes on to ask what Malcolm thinks President Trump and President Putin said to one another in their private meeting and suggests Preseident trump may have told President Putin to just wait until we win the elections and then the U.S. would lift sanctions and other things, however this is EXACTLY WHAT President Obama told then Russian President Medvedev to tell then Prime Minister Putin in 2012 which the Left completely ignored at the time. Malcolm then goes on to compare the meeting between Trump and Putin to the WWII meeting in Yalta saying he believes they discussed the dividing up of the World between the U.S. and Russia! 

The progressive Left in this country has lost their collective minds and an unbelievable percentage of the Left buys into this type of hysteria that was on full display on Bill Maher's show last night. This is a truly scary situation we are now living with in the United States.

He's just using american right wing tactics, which he has refer to plenty of times, remember the victims of the martial law who are now being held in wallmarts? Have they been freed by now? Or have the guns taken been returned to their owners? When will Obama be impeached of his 3rd consecutive mandate? Oh wait.....these were all lefties conspiracies

[Indiogene]

On 8/5/2018 at 1:05 PM, Setton said:

He's not brainwashed, you just don't know European politics. 

For reference, Bernie Sanders is probably centre-right by European standards. 

Americans might be to the right side of Europeans' political spectrum, but we did something so radical over 240 years ago: we rejected the idea of a monarchy in favor of a constitutional democratic republic, a radical idea indeed. Communism on the left side (extreme or far side) collapsed under its weight and LIBERAL concepts in the 1980s USSR or Soviet Russia was based on what can be "right wing" - American capitalism, democracy and pop culture, was relatively new and radical to the Russians. And it's common for the US' center-right to condemn fascism, they said Nazism is a form of National socialism! Many conservatives, Republicans and Libertarians are anti-Nazi/fascist/totalitarian in this regard. 

[Setton]

57 minutes ago, Solipsi Rai said:

Americans might be to the right side of Europeans' political spectrum, but we did something so radical over 240 years ago: we rejected the idea of a monarchy in favor of a constitutional democratic republic, a radical idea indeed. 

Hardly that radical. We beat you to it by over a century. 

As for the rest, I think you missed some bits of sentences somewhere. Didn't really make sense. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

1 hour ago, Solipsi Rai said:

Americans might be to the right side of Europeans' political spectrum, but we did something so radical over 240 years ago: we rejected the idea of a monarchy in favor of a constitutional democratic republic, a radical idea indeed. 

Yes, indeed. Instead of a bunch of related self-serving Pillocks being in charge by virtue of being related, you elect self-serving pillocks in thr hope they won’t be self-serving pillocks.

[Michelle]

After his last flops Michael Moore started this new rumor to promote his new mockumentary about Trump.

Michael Moore says Donald Trump will be 'last president' in newly released Fahrenheit 11/9 trailer

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/michael-moore-fahrenheit-11-9-911-trump-trailer-new-documentary-movie-netflix-a8485406.html

I can't believe people are falling for it. 

[Paranormal Panther]

1 hour ago, Michelle said:

After his last flops Michael Moore started this new rumor to promote his new mockumentary about Trump.

Michael Moore says Donald Trump will be 'last president' in newly released Fahrenheit 11/9 trailer

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/michael-moore-fahrenheit-11-9-911-trump-trailer-new-documentary-movie-netflix-a8485406.html

I can't believe people are falling for it. 

I can't believe that you can't believe that people are falling for it. You need to get that amnesia checked.