If you were running for Congress

[Grandpa Greenman]

14 minutes ago, aztek said:

how about Canada just open borders for any American who does not like USA? give them free housing, give them universal income, no question asked, no background checked. will be win win for both, Canada will have all those who hate USA, and we in USA will make our country great to live in for those who contribute.

I love my country, I would rather try to fix it than leave it.  

[Dark_Grey]

4 minutes ago, aztek said:

lol, i know i was just making a point, of course you wont do that. apparently not everyone of your countryman as good in seeing reality as you are.

I also live in the Texas of Canada (Alberta,) so my perspective might be a little skewed lol

[aztek]

Just now, Grandpa Greenman said:

This is why.

Cut down on those  campaign ads. I think we can shorten the time candidates can actively run for office, too.  

lol, but you have a choice not to be convinced, don't you? they are all aimed at you,  the decision  power is really in your hands.

the contributions are really not for campaign but  "you owe me one when you get elected" there are countless ways to do so, so no you can not stop it the way politics work. a candidate may just win 2 mil at a casino, it is legal, but you do not believe they really won, do you? 

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[aztek]

Just now, Grandpa Greenman said:

I love my country, I would rather try to fix it than leave it.  

and i applaud you for it, but you are not the only one living here, and others have different opinions on what needs to be fixed, you as a senator should see it,

[GlitterRose]

1 minute ago, Grandpa Greenman said:

I love my country, I would rather try to fix it than leave it.  

It makes better sense, because it wouldn't matter where you would go, anyway. 

Global warming is global, and the crazy seems to be kicking up everywhere.

May as well stay home and try to make the best of it for as long as possible. 

Ultimately, it's probably the end of the world, anyway. 

[aztek]

if i was running i would have very few promises, one is to use resources to fix things that are broken, and that i can realistically fix during my time in the office, starting something, waste tax money, and not finish so the other guy abandons it, is not something i'd do.  every issue i would look from both ends, I would  absolutely not waste time\money on feel good, knee jerk reaction laws. which more often than not useless and counterproductive,

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[Grandpa Greenman]

2 minutes ago, aztek said:

well it looks great on paper, right, now tell me what you'd do to cut  hundreds of billions in profits that medical cartel makes, including hospitals, doctors compensation, big pharma...etc, they have more power than any gvmt,  no way they wouyld let you just take that.

the biggest selling point a senator would have is seeing reality as it is  gray, not black  and white, i do not see it yet from you.

What you paying your insurance company to do? Mine loves to play doctor, tells my doctor what she can prescribe, how much time she can spend with me. My doctor is pro universal healthcare.  Because she is tired to the middleman keeping her from doing her job.   With the system we got now, you change jobs or lose your job and you or your child have a pre existing medical issue you are F'ed.  Believe me I been there.  A universal system cuts paper work in half, that is a reduction in cost right there.  Everybody pays in what they can, everybody gets what the need to stay healthy.  The reason ACA didn't work, because we let the insurance companies run the show.  

[Grandpa Greenman]

31 minutes ago, aztek said:

and i applaud you for it, but you are not the only one living here, and others have different opinions on what needs to be fixed, you as a senator should see it,

If people vote me into office running on universal healthcare, environmental issues, etc  I am going to do to the best of my ability to honor my word.  Not everything you plan works out and sometime you have to change them.  If I run, I work for the people who voted for me.  Not for big corporations who dump big money to buy politicians. I am not for sale. 

[aztek]

Just now, Grandpa Greenman said:

What you paying your insurance company to do? Mine loves to play doctor, tells my doctor what she can prescribe, how much time she can spend with me. My doctor is pro universal healthcare.  Because she is tired to the middleman keeping her from doing her job.   With the system we got now, you change jobs or lose your job and you or your child have a pre existing medical issue you are F'ed.  Believe me I been there.  A universal system cuts paper work in half, that is a reduction in cost right there.  Everybody pays in what they can, everybody gets what the need to stay healthy.  The reason ACA didn't work, because we let the insurance companies run the show.  

reduction of the cost means medical cartel loses money,  i have no problem with it, but they will, and they have gvmnt by the balls. that is reality. also in real world no senator can change it. it would take a war, complete collapse of the country. that i do have a problem with, again reality is not black and white

aca did not work because it was written by insurance companies. actually it did work great, just ask insurance companies

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[aztek]

Just now, Grandpa Greenman said:

If people vote me into office running on universal healthcare, environmental issues, etc  I am going to do to the best of my ability to honor my word.

your best is not nearly good enough to change it, not in any senator or even president's power. anyone who sees reality would know you throwing empty promises.

when you are in politics you already sold yourself, another side of reality.

just see what is really wrong in the district you running, then consider powers that oppose you, like another party, unions, special interest, you will have to be in bed wit them,  there is just no way around it, otherwise it would take less than a day for someone to come out and say you sexually assaulted them 20 years ago, or you call someone N word. and your career is over.

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[Grandpa Greenman]

7 minutes ago, aztek said:

 

aca did not work because it was written by insurance companies.

I thought that was what I said. 

[aztek]

Just now, Grandpa Greenman said:

I thought that was what I said. 

well yes, but it did work,. just not in our favor

 

[Grandpa Greenman]

44 minutes ago, aztek said:

well yes, but it did work,. just not in our favor

 

How you figure that?   Or are you just disagreeing to disagree?  What did you say you would do about healthcare?   I want to hear what people have for solutions. It is easy to criticize, a lot harder come up with solutions.   

[aztek]

Just now, Grandpa Greenman said:

How you figure that?   Or are you just disagreeing to disagree?  What did you say you would do about healthcare?   I want to hear what people have for solutions. It is easy to criticize, a lot harder come up with solutions.   

oh it is easy to come up with solutions on paper, another thing tuning them into reality.

i would say i'd get more incentives for business development, so more people have jobs and able to pay for health insurance, maybe bring more of medical industry into my district and work out cheaper premiums for tax  brakes,  i would try to get more federal funding and change some requirements so more of those who in need can get medicare, but  i would not promise free medical coverage for everyone, cuz i know i can not do it in real world. 

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[Grandpa Greenman]

41 minutes ago, aztek said:

i would not promise free medical coverage for everyone, cuz i know i can not do it in real world. 

I never said anything about free medical care.  Whoever said Medicare is free.  Ask anybody on Medicare is it free, nope you pay into it every month. 

[aztek]

Just now, Grandpa Greenman said:

I never said anything about free medical care.  Whoever said Medicare is free.  Ask anybody on Medicare is it free, nope you pay into it every month. 

actually it is free, for those who gets it, and have no income,  cuz i pay for it with my taxes, and also have to pay for my own insurance.

do not get me wrong i would love for everyone have medicaid, even if taxes are a bit up and i do not have to pay 600 a mo for my family plan, but it wont happen in real world. not without taking down trillion dollar industry.

btw medicaid pays very little to doctors, not all doctors accept it.

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[Grandpa Greenman]

2 minutes ago, aztek said:

actually it is free, for those who gets it, and have no income,  cuz i pay for it with my taxes, and also have to pay for my own insurance.

That is not medicare, that is medicaid.  You should check that out before you plan your retirement. They take a medicare payment every month out of Grandpa's check. 

[aztek]

ok now i see the  confusion.

medicare is for those over what 55 or 65, and medicaid is for everyone under who qualifies.

whether you expend one or the other to everyone does not make much difference.

in any case either one pays little to doctors, if they did not also accept other insurance, to compensate they would go broke, or stop accepting them

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[Grandpa Greenman]

3 hours ago, aztek said:

ok now i see the  confusion.

medicare is for those over what 55 or 65, and medicaid is for everyone under who qualifies.

whether you expend one or the other to everyone does not make much difference.

in any case either one pays little to doctors, if they did not also accept other insurance, to compensate they would go broke, or stop accepting them

Boy, you really don't know anything about the issues, do you.  You don't even know when people qualify for Medicare or that retirees pay for it.  

Quote

 

An informed citizenry is at the heart of a dynamic democracy.

Thomas Jefferson

 

 

[aztek]

well as long as you know everything mister senator, lol. medicare for everyone lol

 

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[Uncle Sam]

7 hours ago, aztek said:

if i was running i would have very few promises, one is to use resources to fix things that are broken, and that i can realistically fix during my time in the office, starting something, waste tax money, and not finish so the other guy abandons it, is not something i'd do.  every issue i would look from both ends, I would  absolutely not waste time\money on feel good, knee jerk reaction laws. which more often than not useless and counterproductive,

Do you think my promises were realistic? I limited what I could do to the state I would run in, I always would try to make policies to further economic growth of my state and give the students better education. Not to mention try to find some way to make sure elections are secure so the citizens get who they voted for, not who a foreign nationalist voted for. I try to think of the solutions, because I know not all solutions are easy and require multiple ways to fix the issue.

Like you need business and economic growth to get jobs, you just can't magically make them appear out of then air. The state would need to be attractive too the business, no business wants to be in a state that taxes them heavily. Also citizen's ability to get jobs should be protected, because jobs are motivated by profit and sometimes it is more profitable to cut corners or higher low skilled workers (Illegal Immigrants) since they are cheap. That needs to be dealt with, not ignored like most politicians do. To be honest, I rather have LEGAL immigrants who became dual citizen or permanent citizen work here than someone who undercuts them. It is not right and certainly not fair to them who followed the rules.

Also I would love to look into foreign schooling systems, figure out what makes them tick and how to maybe incorporate some of their schooling techniques into my states schools. I would be absolutely against any political or religious interference in my states schooling systems, that includes the colleges and trade schools. Gone would be the days of religious bickering and political slants in the schooling system, these things should have no place in the schooling system unless they take classes in college for it specifically. Definitely want to give the best tools to the future Oklahomans to become the best they can be. Would also be hounding for certain degrees to come to this state, so students have a wider range of options to choose from. No way in hell would I let these Social Justice crap in colleges, I want the students to have a "REAL" education period. Damn it, now I feel like running, but I am not charismatic or good looking for it.

On 8/14/2018 at 10:32 AM, Uncle Sam said:

Strong Constitutionalist Independent With Right Leaning
Open Minded When it Comes to Solutions (Flexible)

Domestic Issues:

• Revitalizing Our Forgotten Towns (Stop Decay)
• Repave All Roads In Oklahoma (Fix Infrastructures, More Jobs)
• Encourage Business To Move Here (More Jobs)
• Better Spending And Budgeting In State (Stop Over budgets and Delays)

State Elections:

• Make It Vital to Have Voter I.D. to Prove Your a Citizens (Don't Want Foreign Interference In Elections)
• Only Legal Immigrants Who Been Here For More Than 7 Years Can Vote (Precaution From Foreign Interference)

Immigration:

• Campaign In Congress To Streamline Our Immigration System For Legal Immigrants (No More Excuses About It Being Hard)
• Encourage Foreign Transfer Students in Our College to Legally Immigrate to Oklahoma! (No Overstay Visas, Become a Dual Citizen Or Permanent Citizen)
• Discourage Any Illegal Immigrants From Coming to OKlahoma (Oklahoma Citizens Come First)

Schooling:

• Increase Funding in Schools, Get Better Text Books That Do Not Have an Bias Slant (I Want to Give the Tools for Students to Succeed, Not Create Sheeps For Politicians)
• Encourage Important Figures to Come To Our Schools, Regardless What Political Ideology They Are From (Better Them to Be Exposed to Diversity of Ideas Than to be Closed To No New Ideas)
• I Want Our State's Colleges to Get A Major Overhaul, Implant the Best Teaching Methods If I Can For Our Students (No More Political Slants)

Only way to crush bad ideas is to give them a platform, they will crush themselves with their terrible ideas. My platform would only change if there is new issues to handle or if my ideas prove to be unfruitful, I will look for another way to fix issue. I am willing to be flexible when it comes to solutions to fixing our state. That is how I would be if I was running...

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[aztek]

24 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

Do you think my promises were realistic. I

they are sure seem so. however on schooling, i'm not sure, it does sound realistic, but is it really an improvement as far as actually prepare kids for life ahead, as opposed to passing tests. i would actually look towards old USSR model, you prbly think wtf is he talking about, but i know many immigrants from former ussr, including half of my family. and they told me how it was,  what we teach in college, they were taught in school. their kids were taught responsibility, and critical thinking, not just study books,  they can show any country on the map, unlike our kids, and were taught practical applications of science, and had actual experiments. of course they had  b.s. as well like political study, which was obviously biased. i went to college with immigrants from former ussr, they did not even study for most classes, they learned it from school,  and it was like walk in the park for them.  

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[Uncle Sam]

3 minutes ago, aztek said:

they are sure seem so. however on schooling, i'm not sure, it does sound realistic, but is it really an improvement as far as actually prepare kids for life ahead, as opposed to passing tests. i would actually look towards old USSR model, you prbly think wtf is he talking about, but i know many immigrants from former ussr, including half of my family. and they told me how it was,  what we teach in college, they were taught in school. their kids were taught responsibility, and critical thinking, not just study books,  they can show any country on the map, unlike our kids, and were taught practical applications of science, and had actual experiments. of course they had  b.s. as well like political study, which was obviously biased. i went to college with immigrants from former ussr, they did not even study for most classes, they learned it from school,  and it was like walk in the park for them.  

Look at Japan's schooling system.. I would like to see an new hybrid system. Something new tried to give us a edge over other states and nations.

[aztek]

3 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

Look at Japan's schooling system.. I would like to see an new hybrid system. Something new tried to give us a edge over other states and nations.

yes japan even better,  but we do not raise our kids the way Japanese do, they teach kids, honor and honesty, integrity,  and that they are small part of something bigger, we teach ME ME ME.. i think it will take many decades before we ready to adopt japan system

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[Uncle Sam]

1 minute ago, aztek said:

yes japan even better,  but we do not raise our kids the way Japanese do, they teach kids, honor and honesty, integrity,  and that they are small part of something bigger, we teach ME ME ME.. i think it will take many decades before we ready to adopt japan system

I want to teach them honesty, honor, integrity, and empathy. Schools shape kids more than parents to be honest, because most of their formative years are spent in schools. So teaching them these things in school, activities that encourages them to work together and be creative while together to succeed is instrumental to making us excel as well. From 1st grade all the way to 12th grade, I like to see these values instilled into our children. Doing things like cleaning their school rooms, cooking meals for fellow classmates, planning and maintaining their clubs, managing their budgets for the clubs, and hold school events for the community to participate in. That type of thing for our children taken from Japan's schooling to teach them to respect their school, take pride in their work, work together to solve issues, and be thankful to their fellow classmates. Then for education, I will find which country has the best education and look into that. Maybe incorporate it into our schools and also import teachers from foreign nations that would help teach children from young age to be bilingual, this will allow them broaden their horizons from just United States. They could go overseas to foreign nations to participate in their cultures, learn about the world around them, and forge new bonds were they go which in the future opens more doors for them to succeed.