South Africa govt seizing white-owned farms

[The Caspian Hare]

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THE South African government has begun the process of seizing land from white farmers.

Local newspaper City Press reports two game farms in the northern province of Limpopo are the first to be targeted for unilateral seizure after negotiations with the owners to purchase the properties stalled.

While the government says it intends to pay, owners Akkerland Boerdery wanted 200 million rand ($18.7 million) for the land — they’re being offered just 20 million rand ($1.87 million).

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/south-africa-begins-seizing-whiteowned-farms/news-story/8937f899bd3f131bfc4ffb648ea5c53b

[Piney]

1 hour ago, The Caspian Hare said:

THE South African government has begun the process of seizing land from white farmers.

....and pushing them right into the hands of racists and hate groups. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Wait... you mean Peter Dutton was right?

[Golden Duck]

3 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Wait... you mean Peter Dutton was right?

Well that wasn't the issue. It was the 'no questions asked' asylum, that makes a mockery of previous handling of refugees.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

13 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Well that wasn't the issue. It was the 'no questions asked' asylum, that makes a mockery of previous handling of refugees.

The press had a field day calling him racist and a liar because of the “white victimhood narrative” being a “lie”.

[Golden Duck]

46 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

The press had a field day calling him racist and a liar because of the “white victimhood narrative” being a “lie”.

True, but his comments weren't supported by his colleagues. 

And, we're not talking boats. So I've probably raised a comparison that's not entirely  appropriate. 

I just feel his language was a little naive or clumsy; and he should have kept his cards closer to his chest to mitigate an apprehension of prejudice.

Edited August 21, 2018 by Golden Duck
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[+and-then]

It will almost be amusing to watch them starve after getting rid of the only productive people in the country.

[acidhead]

30 minutes ago, and then said:

It will almost be amusing to watch them starve after getting rid of the only productive people in the country.

Yeah.. we'll see how it plays out.  Socialism in real time.  Hopefully the European borders will close after this experience.

[RoofGardener]

7 hours ago, and then said:

It will almost be amusing to watch them starve after getting rid of the only productive people in the country.

Oh, I dunno And Then. I mean.. stealing land from white people worked SO well in Zimbabwe, didn't it ?

[+Hammerclaw]

These aren't farms, they're private hunting reserves for the rich, with some ecotourism as well--they're not growing wheat and barley. 

https://www.africagamefarms.com/

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

These aren't farms, they're private hunting reserves for the rich, with some ecotourism as well--they're not growing wheat and barley. 

https://www.africagamefarms.com/

In all of the cases?  And does that somehow justify stealing the land from its owners?  I guess it's only evil Apartheid when whites are in power.  These owners should just shoot those who come to take what is theirs.  If they want to continue in their country then they'll probably need to start an insurgency.  It's amazing what a small number of organized and committed people can do in the face of tyranny.

[toast]

50 minutes ago, and then said:

And does that somehow justify stealing the land from its owners?  (...)  These owners should just shoot those who come to take what is theirs.

Very and too radical point of view that should be reconsidered based on the historical and initial ownership of the land and the circumstances of the change of ownerships, and its legality, from day 1 on, means from the 15th century on.

Edited August 23, 2018 by toast

[RoofGardener]

11 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

These aren't farms, they're private hunting reserves for the rich, with some ecotourism as well--they're not growing wheat and barley. 

https://www.africagamefarms.com/

No, that is simply not true.

Game farms exist, but they are NOT the farms that the government is appropriating. THEY are actual agricultural farms.

 

[+Hammerclaw]

4 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

No, that is simply not true.

Game farms exist, but they are NOT the farms that the government is appropriating. THEY are actual agricultural farms.

 

Do you have a link? The OP says game farms.

[RoofGardener]

2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Do you have a link? The OP says game farms.

Oh gosh... you're right. Sorry HammerClaw.. I hadn't noticed that. 

The various links to this issue don't discriminate, however. They talk about ALL farms. 

I guess the "Game Farms" are just juicier targets ? However, all farms are in line for confiscation. South Africa's agrarian economy is about to implode. 

[+Hammerclaw]

3 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Oh gosh... you're right. Sorry HammerClaw.. I hadn't noticed that. 

The various links to this issue don't discriminate, however. They talk about ALL farms. 

I guess the "Game Farms" are just juicier targets ? However, all farms are in line for confiscation. South Africa's agrarian economy is about to implode. 

Over here, when the government takes your land, they say it's in the name of progress. Progress then turns out to be selling it to some rich guy to build a golf course ir amusement park--or condos, just gotta love all those condos.

[GlitterRose]

I think people have to remember that black people were forced off the land first, and it really wasn't that long ago. 

I still think the people who "own" the farms now should be compensated for them.

It's just that it seems some of them are being unreasonable and unrealistic with how much money they think they're gonna get...for basically stolen land.

They could "negotiate" themselves out of getting anything at all. 

Edited August 24, 2018 by GlitterRose

[aztek]

they did that in Jamaica,  farms are now abandoned, in decay and produce nothing. but it worked out for some farms, they are rented to tourists industry that makes use of some none functioning farms (horse riding, zip lines...) , then they got abandoned destroyed villas, and mansions.  when white man was in charge everything worked, and ran smoothly, and it was them doing actual work,  you would think, since white men left all of it to them, they would continue to run farms, trade produce, live in those mansions and villas themselves, but no, they abandoned and destroy almost all of it.

Edited August 24, 2018 by aztek

[Dark_Grey]

On 8/21/2018 at 10:58 PM, and then said:

It will almost be amusing to watch them starve after getting rid of the only productive people in the country.

That's already happening. Farmlands are being taken over by hostile black locals who quickly realize they don't know anything about farming. There is a food shortage looming.

I head that Russia is ready to offer asylum to these displaced farmers or those that fear for their lives. Why hasn't Canada or America done the same? They might, but I am less hopeful for Canada.

12 hours ago, GlitterRose said:

I think people have to remember that black people were forced off the land first, and it really wasn't that long ago. 

I still think the people who "own" the farms now should be compensated for them.

It's just that it seems some of them are being unreasonable and unrealistic with how much money they think they're gonna get...for basically stolen land.

They could "negotiate" themselves out of getting anything at all. 

I don't recall black children being boiled alive in front of their families or power tools being used on elderly women but I could be wrong.

The remaining white farmers are reporting absolutely horrific stories. To make matters worse, gun control is forcing them to create makeshift defenses against the savages coming through their windows at night. The Government in SA is deliberately green lighting the slaughter of white farmers. They know what's happening yet they are doing nothing to stop it.

[Dark_Grey]

"While I've been in South Africa, I've heard a number of heartbreaking stories.."

 

 

[Buzz_Light_Year]

South Africa will end up like Zimbabwe. After the farmers are displaced and the resulting agriculture fails in South Africa the government will kindly ask the farmers to return.

Zimbabwe is asking farmers to return to rent the land for 99 years with no ownership. I for one would tell Zimbabwe to go pound sand and let them reap the harvest of their mistake.

[aztek]

12 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

 

I head that Russia is ready to offer asylum to these displaced farmers or those that fear for their lives. Why hasn't Canada or America done the same? They might, but I am less hopeful for Canada.

 

because liberals everywhere will scream we are giving refuge to racists, but Russia  doe snot have any of that liberal idiocy, nor they care.

[Black Red Devil]

The general violence in South Africa isn't racially motivated although farm attacks and repossession of white farmland are.  South Africa has become the crime capital of the world between murders, kidnappings and rapes.

In the 2016/17 year, the rate of murders increased to 52 a day, with 19,016 murders recorded between April 2016 to March 2017.

The country has one of the highest rates of rape in the world, with some 65,000 rapes and other sexual assaults reported for the year ending in March 2012, or 127.6 per 100,000 people in the country.

Kidnapping in South Africa is common in the country, with over 4,100 occurring in the 2013/2014 period, and a child going missing every five hours.

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Most of these victims are blacks.

When you have a country that is trying to recover from Apartheid and allows a racist lunatic like Julius Malema, advocating for the murder of white people, to hold a seat in Parliament, you know you have a problem.  I'm sure this wasn't Mandela's vision of the Rainbow nation.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

13 hours ago, aztek said:

because liberals everywhere will scream we are giving refuge to racists, but Russia  doe snot have any of that liberal idiocy, nor they care.

Which is precisely what happened here in Australia when it was brought it. 
Altough, admittedly, it WAS brought up by a twatsandwich.with all the tact of a hemorrhoid and charm of a locust swarm, so maybe it was a reaction to the speaker and not the message. 

[+DieChecker]

It will sadden me greatly when South Africa goes the way of Zimbabwe and Venezuela. It once was a mighty nation with a bright future, and now it appears to be heading toward "unicorns and rainbows" socialism.

Getting rid of those who know how to do stuff does put more power in the hands of the government, but it doesn't actually get things done. Instead of taking the farms, they should pay those farmers millions to carve out part of their land and teach others how to do what they do. Simply handing over land is stupid.