spartan max2 Posted August 29, 2018 #26 Share Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 10:50 AM, Trenix said: Science is based on fact, but also some theories in my opinion, are preposterous. Take for example, evolution is regarded as fact, but cannot be completely proven and I really don't want to go into a 5 hour discussion on mutation and the change of kind. Do I believe parts of the evolution theory are correct? Yes, but most of it isn't. Modern day science was created by Christians, that is correct. Those who were persecuted where still Christians, not atheists. They were people who wanted to better understand what God created. Nowadays there is this new trend where everyone wants to be atheist and I can't blame with when the major denomination in Christianity is Catholicism. Catholics are highly corrupt and involved in many disgusting I wouldn't really say I "want" to be an atheist. In fact, I would be really happy not being an athesit. But I just go were the facts lead me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpowertothenthdegree Posted August 29, 2018 #27 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Where there is smoke there is usually fire. My question is why are there not more conspiracy theorists? Every single event in history has a conspiracy behind it, especially when it comes to war. If there is a way to profit, they will find a way to do so, and this requires cooperation from various sources in order to function, so yeah, conspiracy has to happen. What is a conspiracy? The act of spying and coercion in order to create, plausible deniability, common goal, reasoning, etc. Of course there are conspiracies every where in every country on this planet. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trenix Posted August 29, 2018 #28 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, spartan max2 said: I wouldn't really say I "want" to be an atheist. In fact, I would be really happy not being an athesit. But I just go were the facts lead me. At one point you will realize that reality will never be explained, probably because it'd by limited by your own brains capacity. The facts are that reality is literally a miracle and I guarantee that there will never be a time in existence that you will be able to disprove that. Now I'm not saying that "I don't know, therefore God". But what I do know is that there is more to life than our just our human limitations. I can go on and on with the perfection of our solar system and so on, but it's senseless because you choose to live in a world where you can understand. But some of us live in a world where we know we wont ever understand. Edited August 29, 2018 by Trenix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted August 29, 2018 #29 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Trenix said: At one point you will realize that reality will never be explained, probably because it'd by limited by your own brains capacity. The facts are that reality is literally a miracle and I guarantee that there will never be a time in existence that you will be able to disprove that. Now I'm not saying that "I don't know, therefore God". But what I do know is that there is more to life than our just our human limitations. I can go on and on with the perfection of our solar system and so on, but it's senseless because you choose to live in a world where you can understand. But some of us live in a world where we know we wont ever understand. I just go off what seems resonable based on what we know. As humans, the more we learn and understand things the more we move away from the supernatural. We learned that disease is caused by germs not by vengeance from a deity. That mental illness is not caused by demon possesion. That the weather is caused by mechanism we can study and not by random deities. We no longer need fairies, goblins or other supernatural things to explain the world. The universe has never shown me anything that suggest a supernatural being. I would like there to be a creator and an afterlife. Religious people seem happier. Being an athesit is not a want for me. It's not even a choice, anymore then I could choose not to believe in gravity. Edited August 29, 2018 by spartan max2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted August 29, 2018 #30 Share Posted August 29, 2018 10 hours ago, soulpowertothenthdegree said: Where there is smoke there is usually fire. My question is why are there not more conspiracy theorists? Every single event in history has a conspiracy behind it, especially when it comes to war. If there is a way to profit, they will find a way to do so, and this requires cooperation from various sources in order to function, so yeah, conspiracy has to happen. What is a conspiracy? The act of spying and coercion in order to create, plausible deniability, common goal, reasoning, etc. Of course there are conspiracies every where in every country on this planet. Because modern education is based on reason, and no CT is. --Jaylemurph 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted August 30, 2018 #31 Share Posted August 30, 2018 maybe because not all CT are theories. 12 Crazy Conspiracy Theories That Actually Turned Out to Be True https://www.rd.com/culture/conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingswan Posted August 31, 2018 #32 Share Posted August 31, 2018 13 hours ago, aztek said: maybe because not all CT are theories. 12 Crazy Conspiracy Theories That Actually Turned Out to Be True https://www.rd.com/culture/conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true/ Did you actually read that link? Calling some of those "true" is pretty much of a stretch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted August 31, 2018 #33 Share Posted August 31, 2018 14 hours ago, aztek said: maybe because not all CT are theories. 12 Crazy Conspiracy Theories That Actually Turned Out to Be True https://www.rd.com/culture/conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true/ Not all those are even illegal, so how can it be a conspiracy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted August 31, 2018 #34 Share Posted August 31, 2018 "Every profession is a conspiracy against the laity" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambaldi Posted August 31, 2018 #35 Share Posted August 31, 2018 34 minutes ago, Rlyeh said: Not all those are even illegal, so how can it be a conspiracy? And where were the theories? Besides seriously - ET the videogame and the old itanmulli-joke? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted August 31, 2018 #36 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just now, flyingswan said: Did you actually read that link? Calling some of those "true" is pretty much of a stretch. yes i did, have you? which ones are not true? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunzilla Posted August 31, 2018 #37 Share Posted August 31, 2018 On 8/28/2018 at 12:27 PM, fred_mc said: Do you have any example of that? I think I'm only finding crazy untrue conspiracy theories on the Internet. There are plenty out there. Project MK Ultra comes to mind right off the bat. The US government also gave black men suffering from syphilis placebos, in order to watch what happened to them. 'The Tuskegee study of untreated syphilis in the negro male' pretty despicable. The US government poisoning liquor during prohibition... The US government spying on internet users before Snowden blew the whistle. Watergate... There's also the giant conspiracy of tobacco companies trying to suppress all of the evidence that smoking was bad for you. They even tried to claim it was good for you. The sugar industry is just as guilty. 'Operation Northwoods', a proposed false flag attack against the American people by the government in order to justify a war against Cuba. Just lately, the 'conspiracy theory' about Russian interference in the last US election, as well as Trump's ties to Russia. There are plenty more, but I'd say this is a good start. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingswan Posted September 1, 2018 #38 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, aztek said: yes i did, have you? which ones are not true? You didn't read Rambaldi's post, the one immediately before yours, either. Edited September 1, 2018 by flyingswan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted September 1, 2018 #39 Share Posted September 1, 2018 On 8/31/2018 at 4:14 AM, Habitat said: "Every profession is a conspiracy against the laity" “Smart people are bad. At least people smarter than me.” —Jaylemurph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted September 1, 2018 #40 Share Posted September 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: “Smart people are bad. At least people smarter than me.” —Jaylemurph At least you provided the name of the author, I was too lazy to look mine up, it was G.B Shaw apparently. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambaldi Posted September 3, 2018 #41 Share Posted September 3, 2018 On 8/31/2018 at 3:58 PM, aztek said: yes i did, have you? which ones are not true? There is alien evidence in the American Southwest Conspiracy: E.T. is buried in the desert of New Mexico. The truth: This one is real: The Atari video game E.T., the Extra-Terrestrial failed so miserably that the company buried unsold cartridges in a desert landfill. (Wait, what did you think we meant? Real aliens? In New Mexico? Not yet, anyway.) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted September 4, 2018 #42 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Just now, rambaldi said: There is alien evidence in the American Southwest Conspiracy: E.T. is buried in the desert of New Mexico. The truth: This one is real: The Atari video game E.T., the Extra-Terrestrial failed so miserably that the company buried unsold cartridges in a desert landfill. (Wait, what did you think we meant? Real aliens? In New Mexico? Not yet, anyway.) what about it? it happened 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FurriesRock Posted September 15, 2018 #43 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Most liberals aren't creationists, yet they are easily duped by the Russian Collusion conspiracy theory. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 16, 2018 #44 Share Posted September 16, 2018 13 hours ago, FurriesRock said: Most liberals aren't creationists, yet they are easily duped by the Russian Collusion conspiracy theory. People always tend to believe more readily what they want to believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibeliever Posted September 16, 2018 #45 Share Posted September 16, 2018 14 hours ago, FurriesRock said: Most liberals aren't creationists, yet they are easily duped by the Russian Collusion conspiracy theory. Is this necessary? I like this site because it's usually free of this kind of inflammatory trolling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uber Doubter Posted September 16, 2018 #46 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Conspiracy theories exist because there have been numerous conspiracies. People have been experimented on, drugged without their consent, high ranking public figures have been murdered or committed convenient "suicides". The list goes on. It would be interesting to know who funded the research to link conspiracy theorists to creationism. Always follow the money to figure out what's going on. Ignore, ridicule, etc. The current fad of the "Flat earth segment" seems like a way of "muddying the waters" - feed as many wild theories into the "conspirosphere" (guessing that is a word) as possible, in order to discredit and overshadow anything that might get too close for comfort. Remember: Even if the Statue of Liberty is not made of Swiss cheese, that doesn't say anything about man setting foot on the moon or not, or whether Hitler escaped to Argentina. But for the general public - the unwashed masses that can't chew bubblegum and ride a bike at the same time - it's plenty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBright19 Posted September 20, 2018 #47 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) There are plenty of conspiracies involving the Titanic disaster. Although many of them are false. It all started because the 2nd officer who survived the sinking decided to write a book many years later and he questioned the official Inquiry that was held in the months that followed the disaster. He wrote: "It was very necessary to keep one's hand on the whitewash brush......A washing of dirty linen would help no one.......The Board of Trade was holding an enquiry into the loss of the ship, hence the whitewash brush.....I know when it was all over I felt more like a legal doormat than a mail boat officer." Edited September 20, 2018 by Aaron2016 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minimalists Posted September 21, 2018 #48 Share Posted September 21, 2018 21 hours ago, Aaron2016 said: There are plenty of conspiracies involving the Titanic disaster. Although many of them are false. It all started because the 2nd officer who survived the sinking decided to write a book many years later and he questioned the official Inquiry that was held in the months that followed the disaster. He wrote: "It was very necessary to keep one's hand on the whitewash brush......A washing of dirty linen would help no one.......The Board of Trade was holding an enquiry into the loss of the ship, hence the whitewash brush.....I know when it was all over I felt more like a legal doormat than a mail boat officer." I was reading some where that one conspiracy theory has it that it was not the Titanic that went down but another ship...I do not recall the ships name but apparently it was costing more to operate than what it was taking in.....I will have to try and find that and post the link... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obviousman Posted September 21, 2018 #49 Share Posted September 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, Alien Origins said: I was reading some where that one conspiracy theory has it that it was not the Titanic that went down but another ship...I do not recall the ships name but apparently it was costing more to operate than what it was taking in.....I will have to try and find that and post the link... That's been thoroughly debunked; the ships were very different in many respects. Here is a reference to have a look at: http://www.titanicswitch.com/claims.html 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FurriesRock Posted September 24, 2018 #50 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) On 8/24/2018 at 11:02 AM, UM-Bot said: Scientists have discovered that there is a psychological link between conspiracy theorists and creationists. https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/320888/why-do-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories People believe in conspiracy theories because history has proven that governments lie. Edited September 24, 2018 by FurriesRock 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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