UM-Bot Posted August 25, 2018 #1 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Physicists have found what could be evidence of 'ghost' black holes from a universe that existed before our own. https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/320907/scientists-find-evidence-of-a-former-universe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 25, 2018 #2 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I was taught, and always believed this. The Universe recreates itself. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrikeTrash Posted August 25, 2018 #3 Share Posted August 25, 2018 So instead of the big bang, it's the big oscillation? A certain tv show is not going to like this... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godnodog Posted August 25, 2018 #4 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Wonder if any civilization (in theory( had achieving all possible scientiific achievements could survive this 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trenix Posted August 25, 2018 #5 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Sounds like this theory backs up religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted August 25, 2018 #6 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Stuff like that brings out my inner romantic. Quite surprising that we find evidence of a past universe within our own, makes you wonder how soon we will find evidence for other universes (as in still existing ones) as well. 30 minutes ago, Trenix said: Sounds like this theory backs up religion. Not really, a cyclic creation is part of some religions, like Jainism and Hinduism (if I'm not mistaken). Besides the Cyclic Universe theory is not exactly something new. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trenix Posted August 25, 2018 #7 Share Posted August 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, seanjo said: Care to explain? "See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. (Isaiah 65:17) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFOwatcher Posted August 25, 2018 #8 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Guess I'll have to wait around and see if this is true.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted August 25, 2018 #9 Share Posted August 25, 2018 This theory is functionally impossible if one presumes space/time is also recreated. There simply would be nothing left to suggest prior existance... not a single trace; faint energy or otherwise. Now, if space/time is not itself recreated each cycle, energetic remnants of a former universe is conceivable, I guess. Damn... my head just exploded... will get back to you later... I 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Guitar Posted August 25, 2018 #10 Share Posted August 25, 2018 That makes a lot of sense to me but don't know what religion has to do with it. I guess those folks just want to take credit for everything. I've always been of the opinion that s%&$t happens - just go with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.A.T.1961 Posted August 25, 2018 #11 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I am not sure about this, the current universe has a physical size that would still be there at the end, when maximum entropy existed. What mechanism would reduce this physical space back to a very small volume? Being equivalent to a small volume is not the same as actually being a small volume. Today's universe is expanding, if a previous universe existed, and was there at the start of this re run, a space would already exist to move into and there would be no expansion just the movement of matter spreading out into the previous void. Interesting concept though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstralHorus Posted August 25, 2018 #12 Share Posted August 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, pallidin said: This theory is functionally impossible if one presumes space/time is also recreated. There simply would be nothing left to suggest prior existance... not a single trace; faint energy or otherwise. Now, if space/time is not itself recreated each cycle, energetic remnants of a former universe is conceivable, I guess. Damn... my head just exploded... will get back to you later... I Theoretically, could time be gobbled up? Along with space? As there needs to be a space to have the mass amount of nothing in, and a certain amount of time would have to pass for this recycling process to complete hypothetically... just playing the devils fly on the non existing space/time wall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 25, 2018 #13 Share Posted August 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, AstralHorus said: Theoretically, could time be gobbled up? Along with space? As there needs to be a space to have the mass amount of nothing in, and a certain amount of time would have to pass for this recycling process to complete hypothetically... *head explodes* 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstralHorus Posted August 25, 2018 #14 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Just now, Piney said: *head explodes* I also had to scrape my brain matter off the walls after writing this xD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 25, 2018 #15 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 minute ago, AstralHorus said: I also had to scrape my brain matter off the walls after writing this xD Basically, the Universe recreates itself "in no time". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted August 25, 2018 #16 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Piney said: Basically, the Universe recreates itself "in no time". As "time" is a quantified aspect of "state-change", and is highly observable, the "reality" of "time" appears concrete. However, whether or not it is strictly forward-linear appears in much debate. Edited August 25, 2018 by pallidin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 25, 2018 #17 Share Posted August 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, pallidin said: However, whether or not it is strictly forward-linear appears in much debate. In my tradition, it's circular. Which means the "collapse-expansion" would make sense but it would be instantaneous. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted August 25, 2018 #18 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Yes, it is good that the dynamics of time is seriously re-thought for consideration. There is no true reason that time should be held captive in a 2D world of forward-linearity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted August 25, 2018 #19 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Hawkins postulated something like this. However, he was adamant that information could not transition through the singularity that forms the Big Bang. Hence there would be no radiation from "ghost black holes". I think they've found something else. Possibly Courgettes are involved ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted August 25, 2018 #20 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) If space/time is not affected during the "crunch" cycle, it is conceivable that "no-mass energy types", i.e. photons, could actually survive the cycle... though likely in extraordinarily small and weak amounts given the collective event, as photons of all types can be absorbed and held irrelevant. Edited August 25, 2018 by pallidin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted August 25, 2018 #21 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Again, I can only reference Hawkins theory.. which is that the singularity is all-encompassing. No information can pass through it from the previous cycle. The physicists in the OPA have found SOMETHING, but I don't think it is "echo's". of a previous universe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorg Posted August 25, 2018 #22 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Years ago I posted my belief on these forums that black holes draw matter in and for some reason release all that matter forming galaxies. Black holes are known to spin fast and spiral galaxies are definitely made by spinning. https://www.universetoday.com/109308/how-fast-do-black-holes-spin/ Just my belief however. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted August 25, 2018 #23 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) I'm no astrophysicist, but I'd bet the evidence is still noise. Also the theory is condricting thermodynamics and entropy. Wouldn't entropy have to reverse in order for this to happen? Or is the expansion and contraction adding to entropy all the time? As in, in the next cycle entropy from expansion and contraction are added to the next expansion. Pretty sure that unfalsifiable. Considering mathematically we can't predict anything past the singularity also makes it unfalsifiable. It's an interesting theory with some holes in it. Pun intended. Edited August 25, 2018 by danydandan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted August 25, 2018 #24 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Cyclic universal dynamics clearly, and must, violate stasis entropy... else there would be no "cycle" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted August 25, 2018 #25 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Violation of entropy can be assumed normal in this fantastical case, as "reality" itself is "reset" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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