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Farmer77
2 minutes ago, lost_shaman said:

Well that's how much more crimes are committed by these groups of people. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that is not true! 

While socio economics teaches us that poor folks commit more crime it does stand to reason that minorities would due to circumstance commit more crime than whites. That however is a very shallow and naive look at the situation.

From stop and frisk policies targeting minorities to how juries are selected to sentencing outcomes the statistics all show the system is tilted against minorities. Hell the system is tilted against the poor in general, being a minority simply increases the odds of conviction and extended sentencing.

My larger point however is that despite the rhetoric white folks still hold the power in this nation.

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lost_shaman

I told you I have a half Black niece, well her Father is a Black Man, guess what he is currently in prison for dealing Drugs across State lines. Not because he is Black, but because he was dealing Drugs across State Lines! Once I stole $4,000 of his Drug money when he cheated on my Sister! Not because I'm a thief but because she needed the Money and he couldn't do anything about it because it was his Drug Money! 

 

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lost_shaman
4 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

My larger point however is that despite the rhetoric white folks still hold the power in this nation.

Probably because we (whites) mostly are not selling drugs or shooting other people, or running from and shooting at the Police. 

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Farmer77
7 minutes ago, lost_shaman said:

Probably because we (whites) mostly are not selling drugs or shooting other people, or running from and shooting at the Police. 

:lol: Suuuuure pal...OK :tu:

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lost_shaman
6 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

:lol: Suuuuure pal...OK :tu:

You are just not being honest with yourself. Watch any old episode of "Cops" or watch new episode of Live PD on A&E! Roughly 8/10 Black men or minorities either fight with the Cops or run from them or have drugs in their car, while only about 1-2/10 whites have drugs and almost none of them fight with the Cops or try to run away. This is why there are so many Whites that get minor charges while Minorities rack them up over simple traffic stops! 

If you can't understand that, then you are Blind.

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Farmer77
1 minute ago, lost_shaman said:

You are just not being honest with yourself. Watch any old episode of "Cops" or watch new episode of Live PD on A&E! Roughly 8/10 Black men or minorities either fight with the Cops or run from them or have drugs in their car, while only about 1-2/10 whites have drugs and almost none of them fight with the Cops or try to run away. This is why there are so many Whites that get minor charges while Minorities rack them up over simple traffic stops! 

If you can't understand that, then you are Blind.

 You...you're .....you're really using reality TV as a talking point?

 

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lost_shaman
1 minute ago, Farmer77 said:

You...you're .....you're really using reality TV as a talking point?

Yeah, as opposed to you using your fictional imagination of Police targeting Minorities? Yes. Minorities simply commit more crimes. That is factual. Not an institutional bias.

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Farmer77
Just now, lost_shaman said:

Yeah, as opposed to you using your fictional imagination of Police targeting Minorities? Yes. Minorities simply commit more crimes. That is factual. Not an institutional bias.

Sigh

 Stop-and-frisk trial: Cop's secret tape reveals boss ordered him to target blacks males ages 14 to 21

 https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/opinion/racial-discrimination-in-stop-and-frisk.html

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Judge Shira Scheindlin of Federal District Court in New York upheld the bedrock principle of individual liberty on Monday when she ruled that the tactics underlying New York City ’s stop-and-frisk program violated the constitutional rights of minority citizens. She found that the city had been “deliberately indifferent” to police officers illegally detaining and frisking minority residents on the streets over many years.

 

Chicago Police Dept. Plagued by Systemic Racism, Task Force Finds

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CHICAGO — Racism has contributed to a long pattern of institutional failures by the Chicago Police Department in which officers have mistreated people, operated without sufficient oversight, and lost the trust of residents, a task force appointed by Mayor Rahm Emanuel has found.

 

The jaw-dropping fall of an elite Baltimore police unit validates the need for federal oversight

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Back in the summer of 2016, the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division released the report from its investigation of the Baltimore Police Department. I wrote at the time that it was one of the worst such reports I’d ever seen. Still is. It described routine harassment and discrimination, habitual violations of constitutional rights, and little to no oversight, transparency or accountability. The report brought a sense of vindication for residents of Baltimore who have long complained about the city’s policing.

 

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lost_shaman

So there are Judges that don't want to see Minorities arrested for commiting crimes? 

That still doesn't mean that Minorities commit much more crimes! And I'm not a "racist" it is simply factual. 

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Myles

It's pretty simple.

Poor people commit more crimes.   Minorities make up a larger % of poor people.   Minorities commit more crimes.  

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RoofGardener
13 minutes ago, Myles said:

It's pretty simple.

Poor people commit more crimes.   Minorities make up a larger % of poor people.   Minorities commit more crimes.  

 Not so. 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

2 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

....... I recognize their tactics and rhetoric for what it is and I see how they have gone from the fringe to the mainstream, with your "if youre white youre probably opressed" statement truly being the classic white supremacist argument.

Only if it's wrong ! 

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Robotic Jew
2 hours ago, lost_shaman said:

So there are Judges that don't want to see Minorities arrested for commiting crimes? 

That still doesn't mean that Minorities commit much more crimes! And I'm not a "racist" it is simply factual. 

No...based on these comments...you seem pretty racist.

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Robotic Jew
3 hours ago, lost_shaman said:

I told you I have a half Black niece, well her Father is a Black Man, guess what he is currently in prison for dealing Drugs across State lines. Not because he is Black, but because he was dealing Drugs across State Lines! Once I stole $4,000 of his Drug money when he cheated on my Sister! Not because I'm a thief but because she needed the Money and he couldn't do anything about it because it was his Drug Money! 

 

Not knowing the exact details of this case I won't comment. But as a bit of FYI to you...Minorities(and the poor) consistently face harsher sentences than whites(and those who can afford decent lawyers).

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lost_shaman
7 minutes ago, Robotic Jew said:

No...based on these comments...you seem pretty racist.

Guess what? I'm not a racists! Like I said I have a half hispanic Daughter, half hispanic niece, and a half Black niece. You just see "racism" everywhere you look IMO. All my family is conservative and we ALL want to protect the Border. Why would anything I've said come across as "racist"? When I have a mixed Family that I love to the Moon and back.

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lost_shaman
9 minutes ago, Robotic Jew said:

Not knowing the exact details of this case I won't comment. But as a bit of FYI to you...Minorities(and the poor) consistently face harsher sentences than whites(and those who can afford decent lawyers).

My opinion isn't even that money and not having a good Lawyer is the problem. The problem is that Minorities commit more crimes and Minorities are raised to resist the Police, resisting arrest for example is an extra charge and if you run from the Police or try to fight them when they are going to arrest you means you will catch another charge and spend a longer time in Jail/Prison. My point is that most Whites simply do not resist the Police and therefore do not get extra charges tacked on against them. It's a very simple FACT. So Minorities who fight and run from the Police get more changes and they are committing more crimes that get them arrested in the first place. It's not "institutional racism" its a culture of Crime and fighting the Police that explain the higher arrest rates and longer sentences. 

I'm white, not all of my Family is, but I've been arrested before and I didn't run or fight the Cops so I only dealt with one charge at a time. Simple, easy.

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Robotic Jew
4 minutes ago, lost_shaman said:

Guess what? I'm not a racists! Like I said I have a half hispanic Daughter, half hispanic niece, and a half Black niece. You just see "racism" everywhere you look IMO. All my family is conservative and we ALL want to protect the Border. Why would anything I've said come across as "racist"? When I have a mixed Family that I love to the Moon and back.

You can know minorities and still seem racist by clinging to racist ideologies and narratives.

i'm for completely open borders. But I'm a VERY small minority on that I know. The idea of countries and nationalism is just lost on me. I don't understand the concept of being proud of, or thinking you're better or more deserving than somebody else just because you were born inside a line that was arbitrarily drawn on a map hundreds of years ago.

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Robotic Jew
1 minute ago, lost_shaman said:

My opinion isn't even that money and not having a good Lawyer is the problem. The problem is that Minorities commit more crimes and Minorities are raised to resist the Police, resisting arrest for example is an extra charge and if you run from the Police or try to fight them when they are going to arrest you means you will catch another charge and spend a longer time in Jail/Prison. My point is that most Whites simply do not resist the Police and therefore do not get extra charges tacked on against them. It's a very simple FACT. So Minorities who fight and run from the Police get more changes and they are committing more crimes that get them arrested in the first place. It's not "institutional racism" its a culture of Crime and fighting the Police that explain the higher arrest rates and longer sentences. 

I'm white, not all of my Family is, but I've been arrested before and I didn't run or fight the Cops so I only dealt with one charge at a time. Simple, easy.

You've fallen into the trap of "it didn't happen to me, so it must never happen."

I see now this will be a waste of time. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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RoofGardener
49 minutes ago, Robotic Jew said:

No...based on these comments...you seem pretty racist.

Well then Robotic Jew... the FACTS are racist. The universe is racist. Gravity is racist. Photons are racist. Rocks and pebbles are racist. Jellyfish and molluscs are racist. EVERYTHING IS RACIST. Racist racist racist racist. 

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Myles
19 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Well then Robotic Jew... the FACTS are racist. The universe is racist. Gravity is racist. Photons are racist. Rocks and pebbles are racist. Jellyfish and molluscs are racist. EVERYTHING IS RACIST. Racist racist racist racist. 

Yep.   You cannot state a fact without being called racist.  

I had a thread closed because it was "racist".   Posting murders that illegal immigrants commit is now racist.   Heck, there wasn't even a pic of the person.   They could have been hispanic, black or white. 

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RoofGardener
16 minutes ago, Myles said:

Yep.   You cannot state a fact without being called racist.  

Racist !!!!! 

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odas
6 hours ago, lost_shaman said:

You are just not being honest with yourself. Watch any old episode of "Cops" or watch new episode of Live PD on A&E! Roughly 8/10 Black men or minorities either fight with the Cops or run from them or have drugs in their car, while only about 1-2/10 whites have drugs and almost none of them fight with the Cops or try to run away. This is why there are so many Whites that get minor charges while Minorities rack them up over simple traffic stops! 

If you can't understand that, then you are Blind.

Yeah. I watched old episodes of Private eyes like Bogart, Andrews...and all bad guys were - white. Not one black. And your point is?

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odas
1 hour ago, Myles said:

Yep.   You cannot state a fact without being called racist.  

I had a thread closed because it was "racist".   Posting murders that illegal immigrants commit is now racist.   Heck, there wasn't even a pic of the person.   They could have been hispanic, black or white. 

It is not racist if one points out crimes commited by minorities. It starts being racist when one makes it look like ONLY minorities commit crimes but refuse to aknowledge crimes commited by the majority.

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aztek
Just now, odas said:

It is not racist if one points out crimes commited by minorities. It starts being racist when one makes it look like ONLY minorities commit crimes but refuse to aknowledge crimes commited by the majority.

and since no one is doing that,  your point, as usual, irrelevant.

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odas
2 hours ago, aztek said:

and since no one is doing that,  your point, as usual, irrelevant.

Haha, this kind of rethoric is all you got left. Soon, the educated and patriotic America will take over again and Trump and your ilk will be where they belong - in the garbage pail of history.

 

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AnchorSteam
4 hours ago, Robotic Jew said:

You can know minorities and still seem racist by clinging to racist ideologies and narratives.

That is some of the most disingenuous garbage I have seen here, and that's saying something.

Lost Shaman has family members, and he is involved in their lives. THe contest you stated the above generalization makes it personal for him and I would have jumped right in your sh!t for saying it like that to me.

4 hours ago, Robotic Jew said:

i'm for completely open borders. But I'm a VERY small minority on that I know. The idea of countries and nationalism is just lost on me. I don't understand the concept of being proud of, or thinking you're better or more deserving than somebody else just because you were born inside a line that was arbitrarily drawn on a map hundreds of years ago.

Small minority? The left-wing media, anyone in Hollywood that wants to be noticed and all the Dems on capitol Hill as well as everyone in charge of "Sanctuary" cities and states seem to be right there on the same page with you.... as well as anyone that does not want to be exiled from any college in the US.

Because the concept is lost on you is not much of a reason to be so vehemently opposed to it. 

A nation of 300 million cannot absorb 3 Billion 3rd-Worlders and pay their way in life. If they want to live better, they ought to build their own nation up to a higher standard. Fight for Democracy, Free Markets and apply a Work Ethic like the people who made the USA what it is did. Open borders invites Tribalism, opportunists and Crime on a level that boggles the mind.

But it also brings in Socialist voters, and that is what it really is all about, isn't it?

You know, like Venezuelans.

Making fun of Venezuela is like shooting fish in a barrel. They took a prosperous country, added socialism, and got an impoverished wasteland with leaders who became billionaires by being politicians. Since the populace lacked the education & background to figure out that scam, they keep electing socialists to fix the socialist mess.

Thanks to the fools in our country, our governments will hit a similar point. We will eventually go over the cliff by chasing the moon, as the old saying goes, because conformity through socializing proves a hard bad habit to beat. No one can talk about how nothing is working, how everyone is miserable, and how our future involves a crash a thousand times worse than what is happening in Venezuela.

Thanks to Trump, that day has been delayed, but the rot and destruction that Socialism creates is probably inevitable because Death is inevitable. That is the true legacy of "Progressives", they believe that they are the coming greatness when they are actually nothing but grave-worms. 

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