Still Waters Posted September 4, 2018 #1 Share Posted September 4, 2018 The "chicken or egg" paradox was first proposed by philosophers in Ancient Greece to describe the problem of determining cause-and-effect. Now, a team of physicists from The University of Queensland and the NÉEL Institute has shown that, as far as quantum physics is concerned, the chicken and the egg can both come first. Dr Jacqui Romero from the ARC Centre of Excellence for Engineered Quantum Systems said that in quantum physics, cause-and-effect is not always as straightforward as one event causing another. "The weirdness of quantum mechanics means that events can happen without a set order," she said. https://phys.org/news/2018-09-quantum-weirdness-chicken-egg-paradox.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted September 5, 2018 #2 Share Posted September 5, 2018 What if the chicken goes back in time and kills his grandfather before he hatches? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InconceivableThoughts Posted September 6, 2018 #3 Share Posted September 6, 2018 It always made more sense imo that the thing inside the egg came first mainly due to the fact that the egg is made to protect and without the creature inside it to protect there is no need to create it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted September 6, 2018 #4 Share Posted September 6, 2018 But eggs existed millions of years before chickens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecks Posted September 6, 2018 #5 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Which came first....? Which came first.... When its on my plate covered in seasoning or fried or scrambled next to my bacon.... I just dont care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted September 6, 2018 #6 Share Posted September 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Orphalesion said: But eggs existed millions of years before chickens.... Not chickens' eggs, I hope? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted September 6, 2018 #7 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Ozymandias said: Not chickens' eggs, I hope? What if I tell you yes....? Those prehistoric chicken eggs had a very, very long incubation time. But really, that's the thing that has always bothered me about that "mystery". It never asks about a "chicken egg" it only asks about an egg. And we know by now; eggs, even bird eggs came long before chickens. We can project what laid them; the ancestors of the chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted September 6, 2018 #8 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Orphalesion said: What if I tell you yes....? Those prehistoric chicken eggs had a very, very long incubation time. But really, that's the thing that has always bothered me about that "mystery". It never asks about a "chicken egg" it only asks about an egg. And we know by now; eggs, even bird eggs came long before chickens. We can project what laid them; the ancestors of the chicken. So chicken eggs - those things I might have boiled, poached or fried for my breakfast - were in existence millions of years before chickens - those things I might have fried or roasted for my dinner? I still don't think so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted September 6, 2018 #9 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) Nevermind. Stupid image thing. Edited September 6, 2018 by Setton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted September 6, 2018 #10 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ozymandias said: So chicken eggs - those things I might have boiled, poached or fried for my breakfast - were in existence millions of years before chickens - those things I might have fried or roasted for my dinner? I still don't think so! Not only were they in existence millions of years before chickens, but you pached and fried them for your breakfast millions of years before your own existence. You have always been in your kitchen, poaching eggs, ever since this planet came into being, waiting for yourself to arrive and for chickens to evolve. Edited September 6, 2018 by Orphalesion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted September 6, 2018 #11 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Is that quantum weirdness again? I thought that only applied at the subatomic level. Or are you referring to multiple universes? Isn't that just a theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted September 6, 2018 #12 Share Posted September 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ozymandias said: Is that quantum weirdness again? I thought that only applied at the subatomic level. Or are you referring to multiple universes? Isn't that just a theory? No, it's really time that is the illusion. Or rather Objective and Subjective Time. Objective Time: Duration, Break, Decay Subjective Time: Narrowing and Widening, Waxing and Waning. Inner Streams. It's the need for sound. (BTW I am just pointing this out because I'm not entirely sure what's going on in this thread right now, but I'm pretty much just joking around. Except for the part where I said that eggs, in one form or another, appeared on this earth long before chickens were around, which is an evolutionary fact, nothing. I wrote was serious. In my last message I paraphrased an X-Men comic and in this one I just quoted a book I was reading just now.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunzilla Posted September 6, 2018 #13 Share Posted September 6, 2018 35 minutes ago, Orphalesion said: But eggs existed millions of years before chickens.... I've always assumed that they meant 'female creature that lays the eggs' when they talk about 'the chicken'. Saying chicken is just easier. But I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted September 6, 2018 #14 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, Bunzilla said: I've always assumed that they meant 'female creature that lays the eggs' when they talk about 'the chicken'. Saying chicken is just easier. But I could be wrong. It probably is that way. I just can't help being pedantic sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunzilla Posted September 6, 2018 #15 Share Posted September 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Orphalesion said: It probably is that way. I just can't help being pedantic sometimes Everyone's entitled to look at the question in their own way. But you're right, if you look at it that way, the egg certainly came before therapods evolved into birds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted September 6, 2018 #16 Share Posted September 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Orphalesion said: No, it's really time that is the illusion. Or rather Objective and Subjective Time. Objective Time: Duration, Break, Decay Subjective Time: Narrowing and Widening, Waxing and Waning. Inner Streams. It's the need for sound. (BTW I am just pointing this out because I'm not entirely sure what's going on in this thread right now, but I'm pretty much just joking around. Except for the part where I said that eggs, in one form or another, appeared on this earth long before chickens were around, which is an evolutionary fact, nothing. I wrote was serious. In my last message I paraphrased an X-Men comic and in this one I just quoted a book I was reading just now.) Thanks for that clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxasa Posted September 6, 2018 #17 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I don't know if people are just kidding or not but everyone does realize that this hypothesis is simply an application of Schrodinger's Cat quantum paradox on the chicken and the egg causality conundrum? By application of that paradox we can quantumly assume that both the egg and chicken came first at the same time, since time doesn't exist at small enough quantum scales. Which actually means that time really doesn't exist at all, and is just a perception of our higher ordered consciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coil Posted September 7, 2018 #18 Share Posted September 7, 2018 It's amazing that scientists have only just learned this.God is one, he is the Father-Mother-Son in one being therefore it makes no sense to find out that the chicken, the c*** or the egg is primary, as in the beginning everything was and science reveals what religion has long been known for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted September 7, 2018 #19 Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Coil said: It's amazing that scientists have only just learned this.God is one, he is the Father-Mother-Son in one being therefore it makes no sense to find out that the chicken, the c*** or the egg is primary, as in the beginning everything was and science reveals what religion has long been known for. What on earth has that nonsense got to do with the subject? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 7, 2018 #20 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Century eggs ... century eggs came before many chickens today ... ~ [00.03:33] ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coil Posted September 7, 2018 #21 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, psyche101 said: What on earth has that nonsense got to do with the subject? Well, the scientists made a mistake at first and now correct their mistakes. I sometimes think that they still read some religious books because they make the right conclusions. Only their disadvantage is that they still see energy and matter, and that behind all this there is the omnipresent Consciousness-Force that causes all particles to rotate and be connected together and in evolution to form intelligent beings from primary elements, they still have to open it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 7, 2018 #22 Share Posted September 7, 2018 On 9/5/2018 at 9:55 AM, taniwha said: What if the chicken goes back in time and kills his grandfather before he hatches? It creates an alternative timeline that ruins any further sequels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Allanson Posted September 7, 2018 #23 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Love it! Whenever Quantum physicists can't actually solve the problem, they invent a paradox, and it's always "Both!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted September 7, 2018 #24 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Coil said: Well, the scientists made a mistake at first and now correct their mistakes. What mistake did they make? 2 hours ago, Coil said: I sometimes think that they still read some religious books because they make the right conclusions. Only their disadvantage is that they still see energy and matter, and that behind all this there is the omnipresent Consciousness-Force that causes all particles to rotate and be connected together and in evolution to form intelligent beings from primary elements, they still have to open it. The only thinking you do is known as magical thinking. Your religious garbage has no place in science. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coil Posted September 7, 2018 #25 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Sorry but with this attitude, I do not want to write to you even with what the debate of scientists began. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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