Merc14 Posted September 27, 2018 #826 Share Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) Apparently Swetnick's ex-boyfriend had a restraining order on her after she threatened to hurt his wife and children when he broke it off with her. He says he also has evidence that she is lying but will talk to his lawyer before approaching the judiciary committee. Avenatti, the sleazy porn lawyer, knew nothing about the restraining order. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/kavanaugh-hearing-julie-swetnick-restraining-order/ Edited September 27, 2018 by Merc14 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skliss Posted September 27, 2018 #827 Share Posted September 27, 2018 11 hours ago, MissMelsWell said: This is the worst bunch of victim shaming I've ever seen. This is disgusting. The fact that UM allows it is even more disgusting. This is a discussion forum where grown ups are discussing two possible scenarios of a difficult topic. That's the way it's supposed to work. You can't shut down one side because you don't like what they have to say. So sad that some people think that's okay these days! 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skliss Posted September 27, 2018 #828 Share Posted September 27, 2018 6 hours ago, toast said: Amateur liars fail this way but the professionals dont because they know very well how to behave to avoid the typical indications of lies when lying. I dont say that Kavanaugh will lie or is a liar (yet) but I´m more than sure that he is a 100% professional in the field because he is a judge and his job is to identify the truth, so lies as well. And, to be fair, Ford is being coached by a team of lawyers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted September 27, 2018 #829 Share Posted September 27, 2018 10 hours ago, MissMelsWell said: Don't care. I'm fine with the dems fighting for this seat. I have NO regrets. I will say it straight up.... I don't want a piece of crap abuser like Kavanaugh (who I believe is LYING through his teeth, I believe his accusers) protecting another piece of crap abuser and womanizer like Trump. I hate the Federalist Society, I hate anti-abortion and anti-birth control supporters, I hate Citizens United and all that ilk. I hate crazy 2nd amendment freaks (yet, still believe in the second amendment), I hate religious zealot christian fundamentalists, I hate classists, I hate racists, I hate those who want to rip health care from citizens or deny it to them, I hate climate and science deniers, I hate woo peddlers. I could go on, but pretty much everything republicans believe in ... I hate. At least I'm honest. You seem to mischaracterize much which leads to confusion. How can you be anti- Federalist Society and be for the 2nd Amendment? The Federalist Society is originalist. The 2nd was meant to be unrestricted. We have too many gun laws as it is. At least half are not enforced. Those crazy 2nd Amendment freaks are that way because people want to add even more laws. This would seem to indicate that you do not understand what Rights are? It is perhaps a misnomer. You should think of “Rights” as “Responsibilities”. Indeed, you have the Right to say anything you please, but you also have the Responsibility of being aware of what you say and considering the consequences. And hence we come to Kavanaugh, you do not know him and until Trump announced him were only aware of a name. but you call him a piece of crap because somebody tells you to do so. Dozens of people have come forward to support Kavanaugh, the witnesses she presents have all recanted, she can’t remember the specifics. You carry that fish hook well. She may have well been raped. Someone might come forward to say it was them. Because of that, progressives have presented new eleventh-hour accusers. That train will be endless on into the 11:59 mark but it is all constructed. At what point do you realize that this is a sham and you’ve been played? On top of that, do you consider what this does to real victims? You undermine the claims of real victims all across this country. After this, none that are legitimate will be encouraged to come forward. Feminism has failed. It was meant to make women equal to men but has only created victims of both men and women. And the Progressives use this divisiveness to take power. You know nothing of what Republicans believe in and neither will you earnestly try to understand. You are just a puppet, canon-fodder for the Progressives to usurp the Constitution. You come in here and trash the core beliefs of this nation. And you don’t expect anyone to call you on the carpet? I could go on but I hope the point has been made! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted September 27, 2018 #830 Share Posted September 27, 2018 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted September 27, 2018 #831 Share Posted September 27, 2018 17 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said: I don't know what else to say to you other than it's perjury to lie to the FBI. It's the law - black and white - and you can Google it to confirm in seconds. Hell, Papadopoulos was just sentenced to prison for that exact charge. Flynn has also been charged with doing so. Martha Stuart was also convicted of perjury for lying to the FBI. It's not perjury to lie to the FBI. It's "making false statements". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted September 27, 2018 #832 Share Posted September 27, 2018 11 hours ago, MissMelsWell said: . But no, Trump wants a "ringer" who will have his back, which is wrong on ALL levels. The Federalists didn't pick Kavanaugh initially for their list because they KNEW he was flawed. Turtle Boy McConnell knew he was deeply flawed too. But dumb-dumb Donnie insisted on a guy who would have his back. BIG mistake. Actually George Stephanopoulos was saying on GMA this morning that Trump didn't originally like Kavanaugh but was coerced by party leadership to nominate him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted September 27, 2018 #833 Share Posted September 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Kismit said: Please post without the back handed insults. They detract from the argument and make Moderators lives very difficult. I don't think it is a terrible thing for proving an important point. What the posters here say here about other posters pale compared to the threats and insults these ladies are getting. Why they don't come out when the crime occurs (if ever at all) becomes abundantly clear. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted September 27, 2018 #834 Share Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Gromdor said: I don't think it is a terrible thing for proving an important point. What the posters here say here about other posters pale compared to the threats and insults these ladies are getting. Why they don't come out when the crime occurs (if ever at all) becomes abundantly clear. Kavanaugh's kids are being threatened with death by people on the left, now that is a nightmare. Edited September 27, 2018 by Merc14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted September 27, 2018 #835 Share Posted September 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Merc14 said: Kavanaugh's kids are being threatened with death by people on the left, now that is a nightmare. Which is plain ridiculous as they have nothing to do with it. I'm beginning to agree with IM and his view of humans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted September 28, 2018 #836 Share Posted September 28, 2018 - Threads merged and re-opened - There have been a few people looking to carry on this discussion as the situation is still ongoing. This is clearly a very divisive and volatile topic, so we're going to need to ask members again to please remain civil and to keep your comments respectful. There should no personal insults or abusive remarks from anyone. Thank you. P.S. There's another thread with a poll here: I couldn't merge the two without losing the poll voting data. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorg Posted September 28, 2018 #837 Share Posted September 28, 2018 O.K. They are going to ask Trump for an FBI investigation into the alleged sexual encounter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skliss Posted September 28, 2018 #838 Share Posted September 28, 2018 59 minutes ago, South Alabam said: O.K. They are going to ask Trump for an FBI investigation into the alleged sexual encounter. I don't have a problem with that as long as they find neutral agents...tough these days... but I hope they put a time frame on it. They know where all the witnesses are so dragging it out would be a ploy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorg Posted September 28, 2018 #839 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, skliss said: I don't have a problem with that as long as they find neutral agents...tough these days... but I hope they put a time frame on it. They know where all the witnesses are so dragging it out would be a ploy. I wouldn't be surprised if Democratic Senators try to expand the scope of the investigation. Regardless, if it is a positive outcome for Kavanaugh, I see rejection by the Democrats anyway. Time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted September 28, 2018 #840 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, skliss said: I don't have a problem with that as long as they find neutral agents...tough these days... but I hope they put a time frame on it. They know where all the witnesses are so dragging it out would be a ploy. There is a time limit on it. To be completed within 1 week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted September 28, 2018 #841 Share Posted September 28, 2018 37 minutes ago, Setton said: There is a time limit on it. To be completed within 1 week. The FBI will do a speedy, "Comey Special" investigation over the weekend, clear Kavanaugh by Monday morning, and confirmation will come Tuesday before lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 29, 2018 #842 Share Posted September 29, 2018 He’ll get approved and assuming you dodge the Civil War bullet, he’ll be found guilty of something by the first Democrat led government to come along. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted September 29, 2018 #843 Share Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: He’ll get approved and assuming you dodge the Civil War bullet, he’ll be found guilty of something by the first Democrat led government to come along. Democrats don't have guns so good luck to 'em. Edited September 29, 2018 by Merc14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickian Posted September 29, 2018 #844 Share Posted September 29, 2018 4 hours ago, skliss said: I don't have a problem with that as long as they find neutral agents...tough these days... but I hope they put a time frame on it. They know where all the witnesses are so dragging it out would be a ploy. Now we wait and see what methods the D's use to try and stall it past the next election. I don't see the probe taking longer than a week given the complete absence of any kind of evidence or corroborating stories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted September 29, 2018 #845 Share Posted September 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Wickian said: Now we wait and see what methods the D's use to try and stall it past the next election. I don't see the probe taking longer than a week given the complete absence of any kind of evidence or corroborating stories. I don't see it taking moe than a couple hours since every witness has already sworn they know nothing but you are spot on, this is simply a delay tactic. They plan on chaos until November when they think they will win the house. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickian Posted September 29, 2018 #846 Share Posted September 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, Merc14 said: I don't see it taking moe than a couple hours since every witness has already sworn they know nothing but you are spot on, this is simply a delay tactic. They plan on chaos until November when they think they will win the house. Are they really that ignorant that they think what they're been doing has been helping them in the November election? They've likely gone from a fighting chance at taking back the majority to a snowballs chance in hell. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunn Posted September 29, 2018 #847 Share Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: He’ll get approved and assuming you dodge the Civil War bullet, he’ll be found guilty of something by the first Democrat led government to come along. I've seen you mentioned that in the poll thread. Lol. Damn, SWoH, are you letting and then have some kind of influence on you. I'm afraid you're in for a real disappointment on that no matter what happens. It's all just political drama for our mamas. Everybody eventually gets over it and moves on to the next p***ing match. Edited September 29, 2018 by Gunn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted September 29, 2018 #848 Share Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Merc14 said: Democrats don't have guns so good luck to 'em. God I'd hate to hangout with that guy on 4th of July!!! Edit: On an Ironic note I was just cleaning my Mosin Nagant 1891/30 when I watched that video! LOL Edited September 29, 2018 by lost_shaman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted September 29, 2018 #849 Share Posted September 29, 2018 20 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: God I'd hate to hangout with that guy on 4th of July!!! Edit: On an Ironic note I was just cleaning my Mosin Nagant 1891/30 when I watched that video! LOL Seriously? The Russian 19th century infantry rifle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted September 29, 2018 #850 Share Posted September 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Merc14 said: Seriously? The Russian 19th century infantry rifle? Yeah it's a really cool gun. Lots of fun to shoot, bayonet and everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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