Resistance From Inside Trump Admin

[MWoo7]

   Have to love that special word odious ! I'm partial to creepy too!  HA! playbook you mean the default with the job the Machiavellian handbook!!?!?!?!??!

Edited September 7, 2018 by MWoo7
k *ECHO* echo hate edits... added ?!?!?!?!??!

[Helen of Annoy]

8 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Oh, I'm not saying he is Hitler.  I'm saying he is using the same odious plays from his playbook, however.

Definitely he does. 

 

I often insist Trump's appearance, especially facial expressions, resemble Mussolini's more than Hitler's, but I guess these are common to all narcissists. And the playbook is, unfortunately, the same.       

[odas]

43 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Definitely he does. 

 

I often insist Trump's appearance, especially facial expressions, resemble Mussolini's more than Hitler's, but I guess these are common to all narcissists. And the playbook is, unfortunately, the same.       

It is always the same. We are trying to warn them about Trump but they are not listening. He promisses them something and they buy it. I can not really blame them. WE were promissed so much in Europe, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Milosevic.. and we believed them. They all had the same speach that Trump is using now. Maybe the best is to let them experience it how words can bring misery and destruction. We, unfortunately have the experience but...for the Trump supporters it is all fake news.

[+OverSword]

Meanwhile, in the real world economy adds more jobs than expected in August, and wage growth hits post-recession high Nonfarm payrolls grew by 201,000 in August. Economists surveyed by Reuters expected a 191,000 increase. Average hourly earnings jumped by 2.9 percent, above the 2.7 percent increase expected. The unemployment rate held near a generational low of 3.9 percent.

But, you know,.....hitler.

[Farmer77]

4 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Meanwhile, in the real world economy adds more jobs than expected in August, and wage growth hits post-recession high Nonfarm payrolls grew by 201,000 in August. Economists surveyed by Reuters expected a 191,000 increase. Average hourly earnings jumped by 2.9 percent, above the 2.7 percent increase expected. The unemployment rate held near a generational low of 3.9 percent.

But, you know,.....hitler.

For many there are much more important things than money. We can survive being poor for a while, we may not survive a man actively working to destroy this nation.

Many voters give Trump credit for an improving economy, but they also say they'd prefer congressional candidates who will be a check on the president.

[RavenHawk]

2 hours ago, Gromdor said:

I gave you more than one link.  They clearly show that there aren't very many illegals in Iowa compared to the rest of the population.

You gave two links that only discussed immigrants.  Can only assume it is legal immigrants because illegals are undocumented, but it would be safe to say at least 5% are illegals (as well as the legal 5%).  The exact number would be impossible to find out unless you perform a wall-to-wall census.

 

Illegals can't even get food stamps but that's a whole other argument. 

They’re getting something because they are still here.

 

Child hunger has little to nothing to do with illegal immigration.

I guess it went over your head.  Poverty plays a key role in hunger.  Illegal immigration imports poverty along with crime and disease.  Poverty acts like a disease.  It infects those around it.  Throwing money at the problem doesn’t fix it.

 

And to be blunt, you have a history of clumping people into groups. 

To be blunt, everybody does because everybody clumps into groups.

 

Everyone that disagrees with you is a socialist for example. 

I don’t call people Socialist because they disagree with me.  I call them Socialist for holding Socialist beliefs.

 

But if you are going to take a minority and blame them for really abstract crimes to society- like child hunger, I am going to continue to compare you to other groups that historically did the same thing.

Illegally crossing the border is not abstract and the violent crimes that follow from that act are hardly abstract.  Then historically, you’re an idiot.  Just because they are a minority does not mean they are innocent and blameless.  Wanting illegals and the problems they bring into this country to be gone is nowhere near what Hitler did.  And to think so is the ultimate of ignorance.

[RavenHawk]

52 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

we may not survive a man actively working to destroy this nation.

Freak’n unbelievable.  Obama was active in destroying this nation.  What do you think Fundamental Change meant?  Trump has been doing everything possible to rescue us from that.  Which attitude would you prefer?  “You didn’t build that!” or “Make America Great Again!”?  Trump is building this nation up.

[Gromdor]

1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

For many there are much more important things than money. We can survive being poor for a while, we may not survive a man actively working to destroy this nation.

Many voters give Trump credit for an improving economy, but they also say they'd prefer congressional candidates who will be a check on the president.

Oh, we will survive Trump just fine.  It's the embarrassment and shame that I would like to avoid.

[Likely Guy]

"Remember, what you're seeing and what you're hearing is not whats happening,' - D. Trump

"Reject the evidence of your eyes and ears." - G. Orwell

Edit: Though I doubt he ever read any Orwell, I think he 'gets it'.

Edited September 8, 2018 by Likely Guy

[Agent0range]

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

Freak’n unbelievable.  Obama was active in destroying this nation.  What do you think Fundamental Change meant?  Trump has been doing everything possible to rescue us from that.  Which attitude would you prefer?  “You didn’t build that!” or “Make America Great Again!”?  Trump is building this nation up.

How so?  All the numbers that this administration touts were on the up and up over the past 6 years.  If you disagree, show me numbers to prove your argument.  The stock market?  Check.  Job creation?  Check.  GDP growth (although you will say it isn't enough.) Check.  Minority unemployment?  Check.  Answer this one question..WHAT UNDER TRUMP did not grow under Obama?

[acidhead]

11 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

How so?  All the numbers that this administration touts were on the up and up over the past 6 years.  If you disagree, show me numbers to prove your argument.  The stock market?  Check.  Job creation?  Check.  GDP growth (although you will say it isn't enough.) Check.  Minority unemployment?  Check.  Answer this one question..WHAT UNDER TRUMP did not grow under Obama?

Hey.. you...

You didn't build that!

[Likely Guy]

4 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Hey.. you...

You didn't build that!

I kinda think he did, at least more than either of usl (as Canadians).

[odas]

4 hours ago, OverSword said:

Meanwhile, in the real world economy adds more jobs than expected in August, and wage growth hits post-recession high Nonfarm payrolls grew by 201,000 in August. Economists surveyed by Reuters expected a 191,000 increase. Average hourly earnings jumped by 2.9 percent, above the 2.7 percent increase expected. The unemployment rate held near a generational low of 3.9 percent.

But, you know,.....hitler.

Unemployment rate Germany 1930 - 6 million. When Hitler came to power the economy already had started to recover. 1933 unemployment was already cut in half. Under Hitler by 1937 the number was cut to 400T.

Sooooooo, was Adolf the best(est) President ever??? 

So, yes, Trump rides the same wave that Hitler did. To much simmilarity not to be noticed. Trump came when Obama took USA out of recession. 

 

[+and-then]

16 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

In a nutshell... yes. 

They might put a slant on their stories, but they wouldn't make up something like this from scratch. If for no other reason that if they where found out, their newspaper empire would be finished. 

I think you aren't paying close enough attention to said "media".  They are completely sold out to do anything it takes to bring him down.  Anyone who cannot see this is in denial.

[Likely Guy]

This thread further proves that some people will never care, "As long as the trains run on time".

[Farmer77]

3 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Freak’n unbelievable.  Obama was active in destroying this nation.  What do you think Fundamental Change meant?  Trump has been doing everything possible to rescue us from that.  Which attitude would you prefer?  “You didn’t build that!” or “Make America Great Again!”?  Trump is building this nation up.

Since I am willing and able to read and understand context I will side with Obama's vision on this one.

Quote

bama, July 13: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.

 

As opposed to Trump following the classic dictator playbook of ensuring his faithful we are under attack from the evil "others" and basing policy off of that manipulation.

Edited September 8, 2018 by Farmer77

[Likely Guy]

9 minutes ago, and then said:

I think you aren't paying close enough attention to said "media".  They are completely sold out to do anything it takes to bring him down.  Anyone who cannot see this is in denial.

When the emperor wears no clothes...

[+OverSword]

24 minutes ago, odas said:

Unemployment rate Germany 1930 - 6 million. When Hitler came to power the economy already had started to recover. 1933 unemployment was already cut in half. Under Hitler by 1937 the number was cut to 400T.

Sooooooo, was Adolf the best(est) President ever??? 

So, yes, Trump rides the same wave that Hitler did. To much simmilarity not to be noticed. Trump came when Obama took USA out of recession. 

 

To compare Trupmp to scumbag nazis is an insult to those poor souls that were victims to those terrible times. You have to be an idiot to make the comparison 

[Farmer77]

Just now, OverSword said:

To compare Trupmp to scumbag nazis is an insult to those poor souls that were victims to those terrible times. You have to be an idiot to make the comparison 

I dont think anyone's comparing Trump the man to Hitler the man just yet, simply recognizing that his tactics and the overall environment are eerily similar.

The whole not forgetting history so we're not doomed to repeat it thing.

[+OverSword]

38 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

I dont think anyone's comparing Trump the man to Hitler the man just yet, simply recognizing that his tactics and the overall environment are eerily similar.

The whole not forgetting history so we're not doomed to repeat it thing.

I disagree, I think there are some that mean precisely what they say and prove that their knowledge of adolf comes from Hogans Heroes 

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

I disagree, I think there are some that mean precisely what they say and prove that their knowledge of adolf comes from Hogans Heroes 

Thats an old show I wouldnt mind finding reruns of !

[+OverSword]

7 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Thats an old show I wouldnt mind finding reruns of !

They’re on MeTV. One of the channels you can watch with a regular old set or rabbit ears. As a matter of fact it’s on right now 

[RoofGardener]

56 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

I dont think anyone's comparing Trump the man to Hitler the man just yet, simply recognizing that his tactics and the overall environment are eerily similar.

The whole not forgetting history so we're not doomed to repeat it thing.

Ummm.... no ? Not even remotely similar ? 

[Farmer77]

Just now, OverSword said:

They’re on MeTV. One of the channels you can watch with a regular old set or rabbit ears. As a matter of fact it’s on right now 

Oh man thanks for the tip but rabbit ears dont work where I live. I hadnt even ever heard of MeTV, just googled it and if I had cable id get it. Ok now i gotta find a stream.

 

Back to the Trump Hitler thing. From my perspective I dont think there is an overarching grand scheme coming from Trump, what I think is happening is he is stumbling into tactics which work solely out of a survival instinct to "win" the moment.  The problem is without the combination of solid historical knowledge and a solid moral base there seems to be no constraints on what he will do in order to "win".  Using the term "enemy of the people" to describe the press being an excellent example. I honestly doubt he fully grasped the history surrounding that term, conversely though IDK that he would have cared if he did.

 

[+OverSword]

6 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Oh man thanks for the tip but rabbit ears dont work where I live. I hadnt even ever heard of MeTV, just googled it and if I had cable id get it. Ok now i gotta find a stream.

 

Back to the Trump Hitler thing. From my perspective I dont think there is an overarching grand scheme coming from Trump, what I think is happening is he is stumbling into tactics which work solely out of a survival instinct to "win" the moment.  The problem is without the combination of solid historical knowledge and a solid moral base there seems to be no constraints on what he will do in order to "win".  Using the term "enemy of the people" to describe the press being an excellent example. I honestly doubt he fully grasped the history surrounding that term, conversely though IDK that he would have cared if he did.

 

Yeah he’s full of disturbing rhetoric and I agree he has a strategy that is mainly playing it by ear. But he has too many opponents and we have enough checks and balances that he will never be able to take us to doomsday. I have no doubt that he is the most scrutinized and watched president ever to hold office